If you cut out dairy...

jenohouston · January 2014

Did you find this made a big difference with your baby? I feel like I need cut out dairy while I am EBF. I believe it's making her fussiness and gas worse. Do you see a difference? Anything else that you notice your LO sensitive to? I had Brussels sprouts the other night and her gas was horrible.

cammyisagirlsname · January 2014

Today I'm starting cutting dairy to see if it helps. Makes me sad because I love cream in my coffee.

I'd like to hear from other moms that have cut dairy too.

Eta hit send too soon

n8swife · January 2014

I cut out dairy, caffeine, anything carbonated, and really green veggies (spinach, broccoli) with DS1. It made a huge difference. I ate ice cream when he was 3 weeks old and he screamed for hours. I started tracking my food after that and cut out anything that made him really gassy. He was gassy and colicky in general so I was willing to do anything to help a little bit. He was still a really fussy baby but cutting those things out did help. I started to introduce everything back into my diet around 7 months and it didn't bother him. He nursed until 16 months.

stacers33 · January 2014

@jenniferbromley - try coconut creamer. It's been a life saver for me! Coconut milk has been too for cooking. Not a fan if almond or soy milk... I can even get away with cooking with coconut milk for the whole fam which says a lot since between DH & DS we go through a gallon of cows milk every other day...

Kbrittonhart · January 2014

LO was diagnosed with MSPI last week... I cut out all dairy, soy, and nuts 9 days ago. I cant believe all the things that contain some trace of milk, eggs, or soy (beef sausage, lemonade mix, Italian dressing - just to name a few). It has been a difficult adjustment (especially with the bread, almonds, cookies and cakes) but my LO motivates me to keep going.

I noticed the swelling in her stomach has gone down and her bowel movements decreased but she is actually more fussy now... It takes 2-3 weeks to get out of your system so I'm hoping to see a major difference in a few weeks.

gcama85 · January 2014

My baby is having a skin reaction to dairy and it definitely improved when I cut it out.

bty19 · January 2014

Kbrittonhart said:
LO was diagnosed with MSPI last week... I cut out all dairy, soy, and nuts 9 days ago. I cant believe all the things that contain some trace of milk, eggs, or soy (beef sausage, lemonade mix, Italian dressing - just to name a few). It has been a difficult adjustment (especially with the bread, almonds, cookies and cakes) but my LO motivates me to keep going.

I noticed the swelling in her stomach has gone down and her bowel movements decreased but she is actually more fussy now... It takes 2-3 weeks to get out of your system so I'm hoping to see a major difference in a few weeks.

Nuts too ? I've cut out dairy but haven't seen a huge improvement but I drink almond milk.............

The Trail Home · January 2014

I cut eggs and dairy a few days ago. I ate some dairy free chocolate last night and the baby acne seems worse today. Not a ton of gas or fussing, but terrible acne covering his face and into his scalp and behind the ears. I was already gluten free and mostly grain and sugar free so now I am eating just meat and vegetables and fruit. I love eggs, it is so hard without them!

Lyzza350 · January 2014

Why nuts? Duh question...cheese is dairy? And yogurt. I'm fighting a lovely case of thrush and I've cut out sugar. So nuts and cheese are what i eat lol.

yty0205 · January 2014

I went full MSPI elimination diet last Monday after LO was having projectile spit up, major gassiness (painful looking), mucousy poop and a diaper rash around his little butt (the red ring rash). It is starting to help but it can take weeks for the full effect. His diaper rash is improving and the gassiness/spit up isn't as bad. Grocery shopping is definitely a challenge. Milk and soy proteins are in EVERYTHING!!!

shoeflypie · January 2014

I'm gluten free but have cut out dairy the past 3 days. I was eating yogurt with fruit as my midnight snack so I've switched to hard boiled eggs and fruit. I've noticed a huge difference. Before she would cry in pain from 6pm-11pm. The only relief was when I would carry her like a football on her belly and help get her gas out. We haven't had to do that the past day. I'll be going Paleo once my milk supply has been established. (I'm eating oatmeal now)

HerbanMom · January 2014

I've read it can take up to 30 days to see true results from eliminating dairy from your diet, something to do with the proteins take longer to break down and be eliminated from BM.

cammyisagirlsname · January 2014

@caramarchi
I was 100% paleo for a year prior to getting pregnant and it was the best I ever felt! But for some reason I'm sad to be giving up my cream in my coffee now.

manausmom · January 2014

I have up dairy, nuts and spicy food 2 weeks ago. My LO had a rash on his chest and arms that went away. He has also been feeling better but I don't know if it was the dairy or the reflux medicine he started taking ...

shoeflypie · January 2014

nursetrina said:

jenniferbromley said:
@caramarchi
I was 100% paleo for a year prior to getting pregnant and it was the best I ever felt! But for some reason I'm sad to be giving up my cream in my coffee now.
Paleo is meat&veggies only?!??

Meats, veggies, fruit and nuts. Peanuts, peas and greenbeans are a legume and corn is a grain- so they're off limits.

@jenniferbromley Isn't it amazing how awesome you feel? I was Paleo and conceived this LO without 'being careful' I miss Greek yogurt! Almond milk just doesn't cut it in coffee either.

cammyisagirlsname · January 2014

@nursetrina you can have a lot of eggs too because eggs are poultry not dairy! I would get all my starches from plantains and sweet potatoes.

@caramarchi almond milk in coffee is gross! And I hate the look of it too. It never blends. But man, I just gotta get back to it! It's just hard to commit yourself and you have to cook a lot, which I don't have time for these days.

shoeflypie · January 2014

Yea the planning is so much extra work

sportsmomma · January 2014

I'm conflicted on this for sure. I did the strict MSPI diet for 2 weeks and didn't see drastic improvement but maybe some small improvements. I added back in soy and she seemed fine but does seem more gassy and fussy with obvious dairy so just trying to limit.

Her pedi who I really trust and is always on too of the newest research etc. said that in her experience avoiding dairy doesn't make much difference unless baby has blood in the stool. She said improvements are often more due to getting older but said it certainly doesn't hurt to avoid the dairy.

I'm not a big fan of meat so it just sucks to avoid dairy!

yty0205 · January 2014

Some pedis just aren't on the MSPI train yet because they claim there isn't enough research. I can tell you there are other foolproof symptoms besides the blood in the stool (when looked at all together): red ring rash around anus, mucous in poop, and reflux symptoms. I have read and researched MSPI to death in the last week and it seems to be helping my LO after 1.5 weeks.

robbie3982 · January 2014

Cutting dairy has made a huge difference in dd's reflux and tummy issues. I only had to do obvious dairy this time (milk, cheese, etc). With ds2 I had to cut all dairy (even hidden), soy, nuts, gluten and eggs.

notthecheat · January 2014

for BF moms how soon after you eat something does it affect LO? baby girl has been fussing at feedings for weeks and I want to experiment with my diet to see if it will help. thx

KateVA · January 2014

I don't eat dairy or soy (I'm paleo as well) but I wasn't when I had DS2. Cutting out dairy made an obvious and immediately difference for him.This little guy is gassy too but not so severely as an MSPI diagnosis. I eat a ton of green veggies and eggs, I think that might be the culprit but honestly on a diet as limited as paleo, its hard for me to cut those out.

Kbrittonhart · January 2014

Yes, the dr made me cut out nuts too into they can figure out if dairy, eggs, or nuts is the problem... My instincts are telling me it's the dairy.

Lyzza350 · January 2014

AmyG* said:
Allergy is usually red ring at the anus, in addition to trace of bood in stool, often eczema, reflux/spit up(lots not just sometimes), green slimy, mucousy stool, colicy, unhappy baby. Usually weight gain is LOW. Baby can be allergic to anything that humans can be allergic to--from the most common milk and soy, eggs, nuts, wheat, seafood, or obscure things like mustard, onions or cinnamon. or a combo of things. Unfortunately allergy testing in babies is highly inaccurate.
Intolerance is often reflux/ spit up, green slimy, frothy, maybe mucousy stool, unhappy baby, not usually with skin involvement. this is due to the cow's milk/soy protein piggybacking onto the breastmilk protein and it's hard to digest and upsetting to baby's digestive system. usually weight gain is fairly normal. An intolerance is usually milk or soy related.
Foremilk/hindmilk imbalance and oversupply issues can be alone, or in conjunction with the above. Foremilk/hindmilk imbalance/oversupply you'll usually see the same green slimy frothy poop, you may see lots of reflux symptoms, excess spit up, cranky baby. extra fat from hindmilk slows the digestive tract, which gives baby's immature digestive system more time to break down the harder to digest proteins like milk and soy(and others).
Imbalance that goes on for weeks will begin to remove the brush barrier in the intestines and baby may show signes of lactose overload or temporary intolerance, and may show blood in stool. It's sort of Like when you have diarhea you may not be able to digest milk products for a while, they make the diarhea worse. weigth gain is usually very very high (yo have a huge volume of milk, and baby is eating a LOT and frequently, at least partly because hindmilk fat signals baby's brain they are full and they are searching for that hindmilk/full signal) or weight gain is low (because baby just can't hold enough foremilk in oz to get enough calories.).
You can have one two or all three of these things going on at the same time.
Sometimes the cure is removing milk and or soy but not just because they were the whole issue--when you drop a major food group, you often drop your calories at least when you first start and are afraid to eat anything, which drops your supply. so baby gets less milk over all, so they get less foremilk, less oversupply, gets more hindmilk so you see an improvement in baby and believe it's all milk/soy's fault.
That may be part of why you will see so many references to babies with MSPI at a very very high rate. of course all our food seems to contain milk or soy, so overload of too much milk/soy protein is not helping the matter at all.
We set moms up for issues by telling them that they have to nurse on both sides per feeding, often with instructions to nurse on the first side for 10-15 minutes and then switch. This works to "bring in a good milk supply" and may help with nipple soreness a bit and keeps us from being lopsided. But we are mammals, and no other mammal switches sides at all. We have two breasts to feed two babies, and all that switching seems to trigger in a lot of women a severe oversupply which causes digestive upset in baby.
Instead of going milk and soy free, you may want to try decreasing milk and soy and then increasing hindmilk as well. Hindmilk slows down digestion for baby, helps to heal the digestive tract so it will help with most of the above issues. nurse on one side per feeding, burp and reoffer side #1 to get more hindmilk. or if baby is gulping and choking at the breast you may need to block feed.
I do know we have more humans allegic to foods than ever
before. I don't believe that
every baby has a food allergy or MSPI that requires mom to remove a whole food group and limit her food intake. I think it's all interrelated with how we nurse, as well as what we eat. They need to go hand in hand to help baby feel better faster.

How do you increase hind milk when you are exclusivly pumping?

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