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XP from IF; Looking for support

Hi ladies, I don't know if any of you remember me trying to join the IFV board a few months ago but unfortunately I was in midst of a cycle.  It was not successful.  Shortly after migrating over to the PAIF board, we lost our LO at 6 weeks.  This is our second miscarriage in a row.  I'm heartbroken and confused. Those of you who don't know me (but a lot of you probably do since Ive been on TB for awhile now), I have had one fresh IVF cycle that lead to BFN, and 2 FET that have lead to a pregnancy but lost both at 6 and 7 weeks.  My first miscarriage I had to have a D&C and then a polyp removal.  It took 3 months for my beta to reach negative before I can start another cycle.  This time I miscarried naturally and now I just need to wait out my beta to drop to negative before we can move forward.  My doctor believes it is definitely something wrong with the embryos but wants to do the RML panel first to see if they can find something wrong with me carrying the pregnancy.  If nothing is found then my doctor is recommending we do another fresh IVF cycle to get more embryos since I only have 3 left to do genetic testing on.  I can't believe I may be doing another whole cycle and starting over again.  I started with 9 embryos and have lost 5 on this rough journey. I haven't wrapped my head around it all yet but I know I won't give up and know that I need to keep moving forward to try to get my take home baby. Any of you have experience with the RML panel and genetic testing?  What tests they do and how long everything takes for results?  I am worried the genetic testing takes a long time to get results back, is this true?  I know a lot of you have gone through more than one IVF cycles, any words of encouragement?  I'm hoping it will be easier since I've done it before but emotionally and physically I'm just scared to be put through it again.  I feel like my entire life lately is just obsessed with trying to get our family and I've lost myself along the way.  I hope I can now join you guys on this board?  I need all the support I can get for these next steps in our journey.

Married my best friend on 9.6.11 
Me 31 DH 29 
TTC since 12/2011 
Me - all normal test results 
DH - SA #1, #2 and #3 - 0% morphology 
Straight to IVF w/ ICSI 
April 3 - start date for BC 
April 18 - tentative start date for injections 
Tentative IVF dates: ER - 4/27 and ET - 5/3!! DELAYED.
IVF #1 - May 6 - Estrace
May 17 - started injections!
ER and ET end of May!! BFFN :(
FET #1 - June 28th - BFP!!!! :)
Beta #1 - 164, Beta #2 - 381
1st u/s 7/16/13 - 2 sacs with yolks! 1 smaller than the other - Possible Twins?! 
2nd u/s 7/26/13 - 1 healthy baby with heartbeat of 123bpm! Second sac empty. Next u/s 8/5/13.
8/5/13 (7w2d) - no heartbeat. Lost our precious LO :-/
D&C on 8/12/13 - finally neg hcg 2 months later on 10/3/13.
Saline Songram on 10/10/13 - found polyp :-( post-poned again.
Hysteroscopy on 10/29/13.
FET #2 - BFP!!!! :-) 
Beta #1 - 265, Beta #2 - 692
12/24-12/28 (6w) - lost our LO (2nd miscarriage in a row)
RPL panel and Karyotyping; results all normal!
Started bcp's 1/24/14; saline sonogram 1/30/14 - All clear!!
IVF #2 02/15/14; ER 02/26/14 - freeze all due to mild OHSS. 
7 blasts; PGD on all 7 - all 7 normal!!!
FET #3 4/8/14; BFP!! :-)
Beta #1 - 235, Beta #2 - 539
1st u/s - It's TWINS!!!!
2nd u/s- both babies measuring on track! Heartbeats of 118 and 122!!
EDD: Christmas Day!!!

** ALL ARE WELCOMED **

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Re: XP from IF; Looking for support

  • ***coming out of lurkdom***
    i am so sorry for your losses. i just wanted to give you our story, bc it may change what you choose to do next.

    when we had our first loss, our re said doing genetic analysis of poc was pointless bc it was almost certainly a genetic issue w/ the embryos. two losses later, we had genetic analysis of our twins done and they were both genetically normal.

    we have moved on to a gestational carrier, bc our embies aren't the problem. it is me.

    drs. say it's a genetic issue but they really have no idea. i wish so much that we had genetic analysis done on loss #1. please consider having a d&c with an analysis of poc. knowledge is power, and you need as much as possible to make the next best decision.

    huge hugs. i know how hard this is.


    ****back to lurkdom****
    TTC #1 since 12/2010 DH: MFI, cancer survivor Me: Resected septate uterus, lap treated mild endo, tubes open, ovulate on own, autoimmune disease 3 Failed IUI's (2/2012, 4/2012, 6/2012) 
    IVF #1 August 2012. BFP! Beta #1 56.7 Beta #2 150 One baby, one heartbeat on 9/20/12! no h/b @7w6d. dandc @8w0d
    FET #1 December 2012, BFN
    FET #2 February 2013, no embies survived thaw
    IVF #2, BFP #2, Loss #2 March 2013, Scar tissue discovered, RPL testing,
    IVF #3, BFP #3, Loss #3 (twins) September 2013
    Hostile ute, moving onto Gestational Carrier!

    GC/FET #1 of 1 5AA blast and 1 compacted blast, February 2014, BFP #4 on 3/1/2014!
    6w u/s 1 bean with h/b of 145 bpm, 8w u/s 187 bpm
    EDD 11/7/14. Please, please, please stick little one!

    Praying unceasingly for a miracle. ALL welcome!

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  • I remember you and was following your cycle on IF. I'm very sorry that you had another loss. I agree with Lincoln that the doctor is just blowing smoke up your butt to conclude it is genetic without testing. I know you can't tell now as it was a natural m/c. I've seen a lot of immune type issues on these boards over the years but I won't lie about it- those ladies go thru hell to try to figure it out. Lots of work and money. Uphill battle.. Also a lot of push back from REs as most don't believe in it. I'd start with the RLP panel to see if anything shows up. Sorry you are here.

    TTC #1 since 8/1/10; Me:41 and BRCA1+, DH:46
    DOR (FSH 24.3)/ terrible egg quality ; homozygous MTHFR c677t
    5 IUI's: 2/11 to 6/11 and 1/12= BFN
    OE IVF#1-4 8/11-6/12= all BFN
    DE IVF#1 11/12 bad embryos= BFN
    DE IVF #2 2/13 BFP/Beta hell: m/c 5w6d
    CFNBC 7 months, not doing well; decided on guarantee program at RBA w/frozen DE
    DE IVF #3 1/14  ET 4BB; BFP;M/C 5w1d, incomplete m/c; MVA extraction in ER 7w1d

    DE FET#1 ET 3/1714; BFP, beta 1 3/27= 197, beta 2 3/31= 1586, beta 3 4/7= 13879!!
    First u/s= Twins with HBs at 6w2d! We are Team Pink x 2!!

    K & K born 11/21/14 at 38wks 4 days

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  • Irish so sorry for your losses. I have had 6 losses and can tell you that re's know hardly anything about m/c's the first thing they turn to is either a clotting disorder or genetic issue there are more complexities to losses than this.
    I went to several re's and even ones that were supposed to specialize in m/c before I went with my gut and went to a real m/c specialist. I hope you won't have to go down this road.

    This is what I suggest
    1. Have the RPL panel done it takes a week to come back. Also have a karotyping of both you and DH done this takes two weeks to come back.

    If both of these come back normal call the Beer Center in California and have a consult or Dr. Kwak Kim and Chicago, they are both excellent and are reproductive immunologists.

    I would not agree to any more ivfs until this is all done. I could have saved thousands and not had as much heartache as I did if I had gone to them sooner. The Beer Center is the only reason I have my litte miracle today.
    6 m/c
    Anovulatory cycles, increased Synthroid Diagnosed Sep 2010
    Natural cycle Dec 2010 BFP M/C 6 1/2 Weeks, D&E Jan 2011
    1 Clomid/Ovidrel BFN May 2011
    Natural cycle Aug 2011 BFP M/C 4 Weeks
    1 IUI Sept 2011 BFP M/c 7 weeks
    Provera Dec 2011 BFP M/C 3 Weeks
    DQ ALPHA HLA MATCH, High NK Cells Diagnosed Dec 2011
    IVF March 2012 BFP m/c 4weeks 5 days (IL, Prednisone)
    IVF#2w/DS July 2012 MEGA FAILURE BFN (IL, Dexamethasone)
    Diagnosed No real HLA Match, DQ Beta Triad, High TNF, Low NK Cells
    Oct 2012 Natural Cycle m/c 4wks (Lovenox, Prednisone) 
    Went to Beer Center- high tnf, low lad, implantation failure
    Nov/Dec 2012 LIT Treatment
    Dec 12 Humira
    Jan 2013 BFP
    Humira,LIT,Prednisone, Lovenox, IVIG, Baby Aspirin
    Miracle Born August 2013 Premature

    Yours doesn't have to be a sad story



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  • ::Waving ridiculously at Lincoln:: I think about you from time to time and have wondered how you are doing. I really hope that a GC gets you your baby. You sure as hell deserve it. Best wishes!
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  • We work w Dr Kwak Kim. I'd be happy to answer any questions I can.
    "Everything will be alright in the end. So if it's not alright, it is not yet the end."
    Me:29 DH:29  TTC since 1/11 Dx: unexplained IF/early DOR/immune issues 
    Feb'12- July'12-testing(all clear minus slight arcuate ute), 3 IUI with clomid all BFN
    8/30IVF#1 Antagonist protocol- ER 9/11-8R, 7M, 5F. 
    ET 9/14 2 embies transferred. 1 10cell Grade 4, 1 8cell Grade 4. No frosties. BFN
    IVF#2 Antagonist protocol plus baby aspirin- ER 12/5-16R, 12M, 8F!
    ET 12/10 5dt! 1 fully expanded blast & 1 early blast. No frosties. BFN
    3/13 hysteroscopy & polypectomy, Consulted w Dr. Kwak-Kim.  
    DX: High NK cells, cytokines, DHEAs& PAI1;  hypothyroid, +APA, restricted bloodflow
    7/13 IVF#3 Long lupron protocol with PIO, Crinone, Prometrium, and vivelle
    (plus synthroid, metformin, baby asa, metanx, PNV, Vit E, D, calcium, fish oil, CoQ10, IVIg infusions and lovenox per Dr. Kwak-kim)
    ER 7/19 14R, 11M, 9F(4 natural fert, 5 with ICSI)
    ET 5dt 7/24 2 fully expanded blasts.  SURPRISE 3 FROSTIES!!!
    Beta #1 8/2 335!!!! Beta #2 829!!!  1st u/s 8/14 showed TWINS!!!!!
    11/11: TEAM PURPLE!!!!!
    3/21/14-L&W born at 37w via csection

    Here Comes the Sun Blog
    PAIF/SAIF welcome!
  • I'm so sorry for your losses and hope you find a path that you feel comfortable with.  ((hugs))

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    Me: 30 ~ Stage IV Endo ~ AMH .38 ~ AFC 8
    AMH .97 as of 4/2012! ~ AMH 1.63 as of 4/2013!?!

    Him: 29 ~ perfect swimmers

    Laparotomy w/partial oophorectomy 8/2009 to remove cysts/endo.
    Stopped BCP 4/2010.
    Multiple clomid rounds from 11/2010 to 6/2011. ~ All BFN
    IUI w/clomid 7/2011. IUI w/clomid & injectables 11/2011 & 1/2012. ~ All BFN

    IVF:EPP 5/2012 ~ (4R, 3M, 2F w/ICSI). Both embryos txfrd. ~ BFN
    BCP to manage endo from 10/2012 to 12/2012.
    FET w/donor embryos #1: 10/2013 Cancelled
    FET w/donor embryos #1.2: 11/2013
    ~ ET of 2 beautiful blasts on 11/27.
    Beta 1: 503(12dp5dt) Beta 2: 1035(14dpt) Beta 3: 3001(16dpt)
    Beta 4: 8503(19dpt)
    Twins with an EDD of 8/15/14! Team Purple
    G&B born 6/30/14 at 33w3d via emergency c/s.


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  • Hey Irish. welcome and sorry you find your self here as to being here means you have had a lot of heartbreak.
    I have gone through 3 ivfs and one FET with tubal from DEggs. I recently found from our RPL that I have a Pre genetic blood clotting disorder and high nk cells. Im glad i did it but still very unsure as to where this will take me with my 6 remaining embryos. Really no one knows why we miscarry exactly unless proper testing is done and I agree now with all the women who have given this advice is be your own advocate and if you feel that these drs are not doing the testing you may need go above and beyond to get the proper testing done.you will save loads of time and money in the long run. I probably wouldn't do another ivf cycle unless there was more testing done and possible pgd or something. good luck and ask away everyone knows there stuff over here!

    Me 34 and DH 39 married in aug. 2002
    Did 5 round of clomid 2010 =BFN
     High levels of NK CELLS DX sept.2012 DOR:# 0.02 
    IVF #1 May 2012  ER 4, EF 2, ET 2 =BFN
    MINI IVF Oct.2012  Cancelled 10-27-12
    Ivf #3 Antagonist Protocol April 2013
    Shared cycle..Donor cycled in July Got 12 eggs 9 fertilized and 8 frozen!!
    DE FET #1 Sept. 3rd 2013 FIRST BFP EVER 5dp5dt
    miscarried Sept 24th at 5 weeks 5 days
    Etopic  D&C and hysterscopy Nov 5 2013
    dx with pre genetic blood clotting dec 2013
    FET #2 Jan 31st  2014 
    Miscarried for a second time again at 5 weeks 5 days
    Currently fostering to adopt an amazing little 1 year old boy..P.J!
    FET#3  is Oct 29th 2014
    BFN on fet #3
    Last and FINAL FET coming JAN 28th 2015
    Everyone Welcome






  • Thank you everyone for your responses and information! Very helpful! I will def be insisting on doing more testing before a new cycle. Very rare to say but I hope they find something wrong that is fixable that could be giving me a hard time keeping the pregnancy.

    Married my best friend on 9.6.11 
    Me 31 DH 29 
    TTC since 12/2011 
    Me - all normal test results 
    DH - SA #1, #2 and #3 - 0% morphology 
    Straight to IVF w/ ICSI 
    April 3 - start date for BC 
    April 18 - tentative start date for injections 
    Tentative IVF dates: ER - 4/27 and ET - 5/3!! DELAYED.
    IVF #1 - May 6 - Estrace
    May 17 - started injections!
    ER and ET end of May!! BFFN :(
    FET #1 - June 28th - BFP!!!! :)
    Beta #1 - 164, Beta #2 - 381
    1st u/s 7/16/13 - 2 sacs with yolks! 1 smaller than the other - Possible Twins?! 
    2nd u/s 7/26/13 - 1 healthy baby with heartbeat of 123bpm! Second sac empty. Next u/s 8/5/13.
    8/5/13 (7w2d) - no heartbeat. Lost our precious LO :-/
    D&C on 8/12/13 - finally neg hcg 2 months later on 10/3/13.
    Saline Songram on 10/10/13 - found polyp :-( post-poned again.
    Hysteroscopy on 10/29/13.
    FET #2 - BFP!!!! :-) 
    Beta #1 - 265, Beta #2 - 692
    12/24-12/28 (6w) - lost our LO (2nd miscarriage in a row)
    RPL panel and Karyotyping; results all normal!
    Started bcp's 1/24/14; saline sonogram 1/30/14 - All clear!!
    IVF #2 02/15/14; ER 02/26/14 - freeze all due to mild OHSS. 
    7 blasts; PGD on all 7 - all 7 normal!!!
    FET #3 4/8/14; BFP!! :-)
    Beta #1 - 235, Beta #2 - 539
    1st u/s - It's TWINS!!!!
    2nd u/s- both babies measuring on track! Heartbeats of 118 and 122!!
    EDD: Christmas Day!!!

    ** ALL ARE WELCOMED **

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  • Welcome! I'm so sorry for your losses and all you are going through. Hope you get some answers soon. 
             

            

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     Me (34)- no issues found MH (36)- MFI due to Vericocele. Straight to IVF w/ICSI 9/12, Antagonist. 9R, 7M, 5F = BFN c/p,  New RE for IVF #2- 1/13., Long Lupron. ER on 1/22 -10R, 9M, 9F. Transfer on hold due to overstimming. FET in Feb. 2 frozen blasts. Another BFN & another c/p. RPL testing all negative besides MTHFR gene, vericocle repair surgery 4/12/13-Bilateral Grade 3 Vericocele found & fixed, IVF #3 with PGS  4/13- 11R, 9M, 9F. Transferred 2 normal=BFN, 3 normal on ice. CCRM-here we come! ODWU-All test results normal. EPP in August. 21R, 20M, 19F. 12 blasts biopsied & frozen for CCS testing. Results showed 11 normal! FET Oct. 30. 2 5d 4AA blasts transferred. First ever BFP!!! Beta 1=216, Beta 2=870 1st U/S=It's TWINS!!! It's a BOY and a GIRL!! Everyone Welcome!!! 
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