June 2014 Moms

*VENT* I Hate My Dog

Let me explain, I have a severe dislike for my adolescent dog. Last May we fostered this adorable Labrador/Pit Bull mix 3 month old puppy. She was sweet, even tempered, and loved nothing more than to lie in your lap. We agreed to keep her...and then we realized she was sick from the pound from which she was rescued. When she got better is when the nightmare began. My even-tempered puppy turned into the Tasmanian devil.

1.      She loves to eat crap. Cat crap, my other sweet dog’s crap, and her own crap.

2.      She has successfully shredded my leather couch.

3.      She dive-bombs you like a stealth fighter jet when you least expect it- knocks you over or pounces on you. (Pregnant, I was knocked down the hill in my back yard twice)

4.      She pees on you when you sleep/nap.

5.      We crate her, and she somehow removed the tray and shredded it along with the walls near the crate.

6.      She has eaten the remotes, books, boxes, rocks, glass bottles, house plants...and again MY LEATHER COUCH!

7.      She climbs over the fence in the back yard so we have to tie her out to go to the bathroom...see #3

8.      She digs holes under the fence to my neighbor’s yards and their dogs

9.      I bought a shock collar to curb her jumping, biting, and chasing my cats- it works...sometimes.

10.   She bolts out the door- At 1 AM last night I was chasing my dog through neighbor’s yards until 2:30 AM and was in turn nearly attacked by a possum. Did I mention a neighbor thought I was a burglar and came out with his gun?!

I am at my wit’s end. I walk her, exercise her, take her to the dog park 4 days a week and “tire her out.” No avail. I am pregnant and cannot imagine bringing a newborn into my once-peaceful home. I couldn't lay the baby on the bed, without #3 happening, let alone have any diapers (#1) or toys about.

I have trained search and rescue dogs, love dogs, but have never seen this type of behavior in my life. We even had two trainers evaluate her...they wouldn't take the job saying she was too “high-strung” for their training. UGH! Not sure what to do....I know I sound like an evil self-absorbed person who is venting, but I am a SAHW and spend 4+ hours a day with training/exercising my dog...what about when the baby comes? Not sure what to do! (Thanks for letting me vent)

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Re: *VENT* I Hate My Dog

  • Sounds like your dog needs some anti anxiety meds. You should talk to the vet.
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  • I haven't thought about anxiety medication! The vet advised me to give her benedryl when we have house guests to calm her down, but it didn't work well. She just snored. Ha!
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  • Sounds like it needs some meds on a regular basis, not just when you have guests over. It may really help with the behavior.
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  • Definitely talk to your vet and even a behaviorist or a trainer that specializes in high energy or special cases. Or maybe giving her a "job" to do. She may need mental stimulation as well as all the exercise she gets. I have a 2 & 1/2 yr old boxer and he has a TON of energy. I started working with him in the fall training for Rally Obedience and he's been doing great!!! It's a great bonding experience and it's huge on mental stimulation. I'm amazed at the focus he gets when he's watching me and waiting for me to tell him the next command. There's also agility too, which she might do great at with all her energy.
  • Also ask your vet about Forbid, it's for dogs that eat poop.
  • Great advice! I signed up with an agility training school but she hasn't been able to pass listening to commands without a leash. She would be great at agility since she likes to climb everything. 
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  • Her commands are good when we are one on one. If there are any distractions at all- cats, people, other dogs, the TV- she is distracted and loses the eye contact and treat connection with the command. 
    I had her tested for worms- negative and feed her Blue Buffalo puppy food. Her treats are soft treats that are junky ones, but she loves them. I have her on a feeding schedule and she only gets food after we exercise, walk, or play. I love the water bottle back pack idea!
     
    She has destroyed 3 kongs so far, the red and black ones. I didn't think those could be shredded but it starts small and then I'll find the bits buried in the couch. 

    I think a behaviorist would be the best bet. I live just outside Atlanta and know there will be several resources there. 

    Thank you for the great information!
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  • deepoceanmamadeepoceanmama member
    edited December 2013
    You could also try switching off puppy food, which increases dogs' energy. Try an adult blend and see if that helps.

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  • Where do you live? First talk to your vet again. Your dog needs more time to run ect and also needs a job. They get bored and when they get bored they can destroy things.

    Everything you have said is is normal for a dog that needs more excersize.

    Dogs can also get desperation anxiety so if she is doing this when you are not home it could be part that.

    She also needs training. I can't believe the trainers you went to cant help you. That is odd. I know a few trainers and all the ones I know who take her on.

    Yes there are medications out there you can use. Benedryl I can see not working with her. But with medications you also need training. She needs basic obedience as well as talking to a behaviorist.

    Eating cat poop and dog poop unfortunately is common. I have my cat boxes downstairs where the dogs can't get to them. You can talk to you vet about eating her own poop just to make sure nothing is wrong but some dogs do do it.

    What did she have when she was so sick? Parvo? Kennel cough?

    Yes you have to see someone now before baby is here. You can't trust her with the baby even whe she is trained. I personally would never trust any dog. I have a golden and he will never be alone w the baby.

    Let me know what state you are in. Maybe I can see if one of my trainer friends knows someone in that state.
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  • TunieBeeTunieBee member
    edited December 2013
    If you truly "hate" your dog, you should find another home for her.  She doesn't deserve to be in a home where she is unloved.  I'm not implying that this is your fault or that you should feel badly, but she obviously isn't a good fit for you and your family and it doesn't sound like it's a safe situation to bring a baby into. 

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  • Another fun thing to help with mental stimulation is a toy that she has to work out how to get the food out. I bought my boxer a toys r us toy at PetSmart. It has 8 compartments to hide treats and 4 cups that cover the compartments. Once all the cups are removed they then have to move it around to get to the other 4 compartments. It took my boxer only a few times of me showing him how the cups come off and he was mouthing/pawing the cups on his own to get the treats. He loves it!!
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  • Thundershirts work great but you have to make sure you read how to use them. I have seen great results
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  • Train YO dog!
     
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  • Thanks! I will try this method!
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  • Aw! I know she is going through her puppy stages, and it seems like the major things are pretty normal, even though I've never had dogs that ate poop. I had a chow chow and another German Shepherd mix. This is my first Pitt/Lab. I may just contact the rescue person who I fostered her from and see if they have anyone on their roster that could help us. I've never seen this type of anxiety or behavior before, I was just lucky with my previous awesome doggies. :)
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  • Hey I'm a dog trainer.
    This sounds like anxiety not just boredom. There are relaxation protocols that help your dog to learn to be calm ( the more a behavior is practice the easier it becomes for the brain to do it, make sense?)
    It's kind of like learning to meditate for a person and find a calmness in light of distraction are you on the FB group? I use mobile and don't get PM on here. I can send you the protocol. It's time consuming and required practice but worth it. I have a pup thy sounds a lot like yours. I took him to trainers to get additional assistance they had 20+ years experience and were award winners an they just congratulated me on keeping my little hellion.
    However through relaxation protocols and counter conditioning and desensitization he's so much better :)

    Thunder shirts and rescue remedy help with the teaching process to calm anxious energy.

    Hyperactivity in dogs is a sign of anxiety too not just a breed/age thing. Literally my do would not lay down or stop moving unless he was in a black out crate etc.

    As for shock collar it can be remarkably dangerous especially with a dog of this sort.

    There is a group called the pet professional guild look at their website. They will have a force free trainer in your area. Not only do we use science based methods force free is a great way to go especially when you have children in the mix and they can physically force an animal.
    Good luck
  • Basically everything everyone has said. Your dog is bored. As a vet tech I would not recommend putting her on anti anxiety medications when she's just a puppy. Anxiety meds are typically used for dogs with OCD or severe anxiety, like dogs who will chew their paws up if left alone for too long.

    My pitbull gets ran in the morning, played with in the afternoon then put on a treadmill at night for an hour with short walks in between. He'll also occasionally go swimming with us. Even though he's about 5 he's still high energy and likes to be given tasks to do and worked out. We buy him a lot of kongs and stuff them with treats to mentally stimulate him.

    We've tried thunder shirts and rescue remedy on him and they both worked pretty well, I would recommend them.

    As far as foods go, I wouldn't recommend blue buffalo for pitbulls. Or terriers In general, I feed my boys orijen and sometimes Acana. A little pricy but it slimmed them both down and my boston stopped eating his poop after a month of eating it.

    Also, you can look into train and baked facilities who will train your dog for a month out of the house, like a boot camp.

  • I have a Lab/Rottie mix and everything you've explained mine went through once he beat Parvo that I didnt know he had til a week after I bought him and we loved him to much to return him so wE nursed him through and now our only problem with him is separation anxiety. But hes a big baby and never really alone so when he is left home, he freaks. But I don't hold that against him. He jist turned one and though he is still hyper he's much better cause my DH bought a steel cable and tied it to two trees in our yard and got a long dog cable to hook to his collar that lets him run all day long as much as he wants because he loves to be outside. Plus Im usually outside with him throwing a stick and when he is tired he stops, sits, and barks twice and I bring him inside he eats gets water and takes a nap. Also I took him off puppy food and switched to adult and thats helped a lot too.
  • A friend of mine is a licensed vet tech/ dog trainer and specialists in behavior and works with behaviorist. She is on Facebook if you want to contact her. She said she does not phone consults. Let me know.
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  • Shellann1 said:

    Hey I'm a dog trainer.
    This sounds like anxiety not just boredom. There are relaxation protocols that help your dog to learn to be calm ( the more a behavior is practice the easier it becomes for the brain to do it, make sense?)
    It's kind of like learning to meditate for a person and find a calmness in light of distraction are you on the FB group? I use mobile and don't get PM on here. I can send you the protocol. It's time consuming and required practice but worth it. I have a pup thy sounds a lot like yours. I took him to trainers to get additional assistance they had 20+ years experience and were award winners an they just congratulated me on keeping my little hellion.
    However through relaxation protocols and counter conditioning and desensitization he's so much better :)

    Thunder shirts and rescue remedy help with the teaching process to calm anxious energy.

    Hyperactivity in dogs is a sign of anxiety too not just a breed/age thing. Literally my do would not lay down or stop moving unless he was in a black out crate etc.

    As for shock collar it can be remarkably dangerous especially with a dog of this sort.

    There is a group called the pet professional guild look at their website. They will have a force free trainer in your area. Not only do we use science based methods force free is a great way to go especially when you have children in the mix and they can physically force an animal.
    Good luck

    So true about shock collar!!!

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    Spotting,clot 2/15/13 all ok......2/21/13 no heartbeat 11 w 4 d missed miscarriage........2/22/13 DnC :(
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  • Shellann1 said:
    Hey I'm a dog trainer. This sounds like anxiety not just boredom. There are relaxation protocols that help your dog to learn to be calm ( the more a behavior is practice the easier it becomes for the brain to do it, make sense?) It's kind of like learning to meditate for a person and find a calmness in light of distraction are you on the FB group? I use mobile and don't get PM on here. I can send you the protocol. It's time consuming and required practice but worth it. I have a pup thy sounds a lot like yours. I took him to trainers to get additional assistance they had 20+ years experience and were award winners an they just congratulated me on keeping my little hellion. However through relaxation protocols and counter conditioning and desensitization he's so much better :) Thunder shirts and rescue remedy help with the teaching process to calm anxious energy. Hyperactivity in dogs is a sign of anxiety too not just a breed/age thing. Literally my do would not lay down or stop moving unless he was in a black out crate etc. As for shock collar it can be remarkably dangerous especially with a dog of this sort. There is a group called the pet professional guild look at their website. They will have a force free trainer in your area. Not only do we use science based methods force free is a great way to go especially when you have children in the mix and they can physically force an animal. Good luck
    This. Sounds. Awesome. I am willing to try anything at this point, and something without the use of the collar is even better. I wasn't aware of the FB forum, but any information would be welcome!
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  • I just wanted to second that force free is the wy to go. If she is food motivated clicker training is awesome and easy once you get the timing down. Kikopup on youtube has great videos on how to use positive reinforcement to get the results you want.

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  • We have a boxer puppy who is 7 months old and has a TON of energy! However we have no issues, she has never chewed anything up, dug a hole or run away and we have no fences (on a farm). I do think this is because our close neighbour also has a puppy a 11month old staffy and we took down the fence between our properties so they can play together and they do ALL day and when her friend is not there my pup always has a bone to chew on and plenty of toys, I also take her for a walk every morning, I think this is why we have no trouble whatsoever with her so I know it might be a little unrealistic but maybe get a second dog of similar age/nature/hyperactivity and maybe get a variety of toys and some bones for her t
  • Oh wanted to second the kikopup videos on YouTube and dr Sophia yin she has great articles on her site and posted through FB
    Nothing replaces a great trainer and I know I'm going to ruffle some feathers but if you get a trainer that discusses your dog is"dominate" run the other way. Dominance theory has been disproven for years but with the popularity of a certain TV show its experiences a resurgence. Also some vets stand by it because their old school training tought them it and then haven't updated their training/education
  • OP I'm really happy that you still seem open to trying things to help keep your dog in your family. I was afraid you were going to be resigned to the fact that you have a terrible dog that you must get rid of before baby comes.

    Yay for responsible pet ownership!
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  • ElTrain5ElTrain5 member
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    edited December 2013
    Yeah, I deleted because I don't have to time get intothatargiment today. I'll repost later when I'll be around to respond.
    Edit: also, maybe what she meant was that she just did one if those online things without going through the certification courses and is not a "trainer". I suppose that would make more sense. Anyone who "trains" dogs would be at least remotely familiar with the behavior she's describing. Aaaaaand...I basically just reposted lol.

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  • ElTrain5ElTrain5 member
    edited December 2013
    And to repspond to your comment about seeing eye dogs, you are correct, however the people who train them have years of training in dog behavior. You can't just decide your puppy is a good candidate and train them yourself. Search and rescues can be volunteers from the community. So two totally different experiences.
    Edit: important to note that even volunteer S&R dogs have to go through some pretty intense certifications to actually participate I rescues.

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  • Agree with PP- Thunder shirt and agility training. 


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  • While I'm here, I'll also say I agree with PP that it's very strange two professional trainers would turn her down for training because they both decided a 3 month old puppy was "too high strung". That makes me think there must be other circumstances coming into play here that aren't being disclosed.

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  • I definitely see your point. But if she has no experience with this she's going to need a trainer, and if two have really flat out refused to work with her there has to be something else in play.

    And I definitely empathize with OP, I went through something similar with my lab/rot mix as ended up having to put him in full day training along with home training for months. But he evened out and given time and consistancy ended up doing beautifully it's not an easy situation to deal with and I understand the extreme frustration. But she's going to have to deal with whatever the issues are that are holding the dog back from being able to get into some kind of formal training and the sooner the better. Maybe it's cost, maybe it's time, maybe not all the adult members in the household are willing to participate? Whatever the cause formal training is going to need to be a part of the equation in getting things under control, especially if the owner has no experience with high energy puppies and has the deadline of June to get things to a manageable point.

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  • I think the doggie daycare suggestion is a great one. Also, I'm sure some of the dog experts on here will know way better than me, but I read that pineapple is good for dogs, and for some reason can stop them from eating poo. My dog loves it! Just a thought.

  • No training advice that hasn't already been mentioned, but I have a lab/border collie mix and when she was a puppy, she was the devil in dog form. Crazy, wild, did not listen at all, ran away, chewed up anything she could (she had expensive taste - 2 coach purses and 3 pairs of leather heels) and was just a terrible dog. But, after a couple of years of working with her every day, learning what wore her out, what set her off, teaching her to respect us, and giving her positive attention and love, she turned into an amazing dog. She is loyal, loving, intelligent, well-mannered and much more calm. Hold out hope because it does get better with consistent training and love.
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