January 2014 Moms

BIL's dog bit DS1 today during Thanksgiving

Sigh....I've been worried this will happen. BIL and SIL have this dog. I will straight up tell you I'm not a dog person, though there are some I like, but this particular dog is the epitome of all that I don't like about dogs. Neurotic, small, yappy, constantly needs to be held or in a Thunder shirt, overprotective, freaks out all the time, etc etc.

BIL and SIL know he's not great around small children. He doesn't like it when kids run. If you even walk towards SIL he will start to growl and freak out and "protect" her. Thankfully he's a small dog, I think some sort of chihuahua/beagle mix.

Anyway, DS1 has always been a little nervous around dogs, mostly because he doesn't like loud noises and the barking scares him. I've taught him to always ask the owner if the dog is friendly before approaching a dog, and if the owner says its ok, to walk up slowly with his hand outstretched so the dog can sniff him before he pets the dog. He follows those instructions very well.

Today at Thanksgiving at SIL's parent's house there were a few small dogs running around. At one point, two of them started fighting and barking really loudly which scared DS1. They put one of them away and just left out SIL and BIL's dog. An hour or so later, DS1 ran across the living room, past the dog. The dog started chasing him and biting his butt. DS1 screamed and I grabbed him. They put the dog away.

He has a pretty deep bruise on his butt, didn't break the skin because of his pants and underwear, thankfully, but if that had been bare skin he would have broken the skin.

I've always been concerned about this dog around my kids, but he had never done more than bark and growl at them before. Now he's bitten one of them. And if that had been DS2 that could have been his face. BIL and SIL are pg with their first child and I genuinely wonder what they are doing to do about a dog who BITES children who run. It's not like DS1 was provoking him at all.

I don't want to make a huge deal about this with them, but I also do not want that dog around my children again. DS1 was already pretty skittish around dogs anyway and I think this is going to make that much much worse. DS2 doesn't seem to be as bothered about them, which is good, but I obviously don't want any dog biting my kids.

So how would you handle this? I'm being reasonable if I ask them to keep the dog away in another room when we see them from now on, right?

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Re: BIL's dog bit DS1 today during Thanksgiving

  • I think yours is a reasonable request. I love animals, but they are unpredictable and it's an owner's responsibility to make sure there is no risk to anyone, especially children.
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  • If your BIL and SIL are not going to train it properly on their own, then they should keep dog away.
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  • Amylou333 said:
    ETA: I hope DS1 is ok!
    He's fine...he was definitely quite shaken up but I put some ice on it and a bandaid and he got some advil. I think it will be sore for a day or so. 

    Honestly I'm much more worried about him developing a full phobia of dogs. He was so scared just after the barking incident, but then the dog was playing catch with BIL and having fun and DS1 was laughing and seemed to be getting over it...and then THIS.

    It's just not going to help the matter at all.

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  • I'm so sorry! I really like Amylou's suggestion about a play date. And yes I would be asking for them to lock the dog when you visit.
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  • So how would you handle this? I'm being reasonable if I ask them to keep the dog away in another room when we see them from now on, right?

    You have every right to ask them this, but whether they'll abide by it, I don't know. I think your best bet will be to simply refuse to go to their place, or refuse to go somewhere where they might bring the dog along.

    I'd be pissed if someone's dog bit my kid, and like PP said, I love dogs.

    I'm so sorry DS1 had to experience this. How did your SIL and BIL act about it when it happened? Were they mortified, remorseful, apologetic? Or were they assholes about it?
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  • So I'm a dog lover and I don't think your request is unreasonable. My ILs have a loud neurotic dog who has seizures and my DD loves dogs..like thinks our golden retriever is her personal teddy bear, and ILs keep this dog in a gated area when DD is around.

    With an unpredictable dog, especially an overprotective one, you have to be careful around kids. If it weren't your family that dog could've been pushed to be put down for just biting a child! Asking for him to be put away around your son is totally fair.

    Also, if it makes you feel any better when I was like 5 I was bit in the face by a large dog...like bad enough I was medicated for it (the dog had a sore spot and I accidentally touched it). I've never had a fear of dogs even with that experience. HTH! Glad your son is ok and I hope that doesn't make him afraid of dogs!




  • Totally reasonable, and as a dog owner, I wouldn't want my dog around anyone he might bite. So, I'd elect to keep him away whether you asked or not. But if you do have to ask, that's a completely reasonable request. I hope your son is OK and not too shaken up about it.
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    I'm so sorry DS1 had to experience this. How did your SIL and BIL act about it when it happened? Were they mortified, remorseful, apologetic? Or were they assholes about it?
    They didn't say much at all. They said, "Riley doesn't like it when kids run past him" and "he's a good dog, you don't need to be scared of him."  BS is what I say.

    They did come to check on him but they never said that they were sorry or anything like that, which also made me mad.

    I told DS1 that he shouldn't have bitten him and that DS1 didn't do anything wrong to provoke Riley to bite him. I also told him I would keep him safe from Riley in the future. We did talk about how not all dogs were like that, and he doesn't need to be scared of all dogs, and reviewed how to be safe around dogs.

    But it did make me mad that they were saying that Riley is such a good dog, he just gets nervous, etc etc.

    MIL texted me to ask if he was ok. I said he was but shaken up and that I didn't think it was going to help his fear of dogs. I also said that I didn't feel comfortable having Riley around the boys anymore. She replied with "sweetie, that's a given and you shouldn't even have to ask." So I hope that's true, but I am going to have DH say something to his brother before we see them again.

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  • I'd be extremely embarrassed had that been one of my dogs. But if I knew one of them had any issues like that, they'd be locked up the whole time, no question. I'm glad your son is ok. And I don't think it's an unreasonable request. I'd also be extremely concerned about that dog near their new baby. Ftr, I'm a big dog lover and tend to give the benefit of the doubt for the dog. And I have 2 big dogs.
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  • I'm so sorry DS1 had to experience this. How did your SIL and BIL act about it when it happened? Were they mortified, remorseful, apologetic? Or were they assholes about it?
    They didn't say much at all. They said, "Riley doesn't like it when kids run past him" and "he's a good dog, you don't need to be scared of him."  BS is what I say.

    They did come to check on him but they never said that they were sorry or anything like that, which also made me mad.

    I told DS1 that he shouldn't have bitten him and that DS1 didn't do anything wrong to provoke Riley to bite him. I also told him I would keep him safe from Riley in the future. We did talk about how not all dogs were like that, and he doesn't need to be scared of all dogs, and reviewed how to be safe around dogs.

    But it did make me mad that they were saying that Riley is such a good dog, he just gets nervous, etc etc.

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    Oh hell no. I would have flipped out. The very least they could have done was acted appalled with their dog and not made excuses for him.
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  • Oh, dear, not a fun day.

    And yes, this dog sounds like a problem.  If a toddler walks up to the dog and starts yanking its tail or something, I can't blame the dog for biting.  But if a kid running in the dog's general vicinity is provocation, this dog is too high-strung to be around kids, or large groups of people generally.
  • I have two dogs and I love them to death but that doesn't mean I expect everyone to let them get away with bad behavior! You are not overreacting IMO.
    Like you said, just ask if they put him up when you come over because you don't want DS to begin to fear dogs or anything worse to happen. You have every right to dictate what happens with your DS.
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  • I love dogs. I've always had dogs, I rescue dogs and I foster and pet sit dogs. PP have talked about this dog being 'unpredictable' but from what you said about it, this dog biting someone, especially a child running past him is predictable. It's probably the most predictable outcome aside from biting someone while he's in your SIL's lap. 
    I would absolutely not let that dog around my kids again and I wouldn't sugarcoat that. You don't have to be nasty about it, but that dog bit someone, that is never okay. I've had dogs bite and/or attack my dogs several times on walks, mostly small yappy dogs that should be really glad my pit bulls are so well trained and that I know how to get control of those situations. Even for minor injuries I take my dogs to the vet, give the owners the bill, do bite/loose dog reports with authorities, etc (I use to work in animal control). I can not imagine how I will react when if someone's dog ever bites my kid. 
    It's been my experience that when a dog chases/nips/bites someone and that is not properly dealt with (the overall experience was positive for the dog--it felt like a badass, didn't get corrected, etc) it's only more likely to do it again and increase it's aggression, so it's not safe to have this dog around your kid (or other kids). It really bothers me that they didn't even apologize and don't seem to think it's a big deal. But owners not being responsible pet owners is a soapbox of mine.
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  • As a dog owner and lover, I would be mortified if that happened. I can't believe they didn't apologize and put the dog up on their own accord.

    I will say this, my child has been bitten twice by dogs (neither time were our dogs and both times he was being babysat by someone outside of the family). One time required him to be hospitalized for almost a week on IV antibiotics and one time almost resulted in him losing his left eye. DS still loves our two dogs. Obviously, we keep him away from other dogs but it doesn't mean your DS is relegated to a life of being afraid of animals.

    It is 100% within your right to ask them to put up the dog. As a matter of fact, it should be common sense for the dog owner.
  • I'm really happy to hear that your MIL is on your side. But I just can't even believe your BIL and SIL right now. My dogs can talk a lot of talk sometimes and they sound really mean, but they really aren't. However, the moment they do something like that, I would change my tune and at least recognize that my dog did something wrong. Ugh, I really really hate irresponsible pet owners. My BIL (but not my sister, it's one of their battles) is a bad pet owner (laughs when their dog poops on my parents' bed with no sheets on or anything).
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  • So....we got a text from BIL. It was a pic of SIL cuddling the dog and it said "sorry I got scared and nipped Ethan. I still love you. Love, Riley."

    Grrrr.  DH wanted to reply back, "you haven't put that dog down yet?" (Joking) but he ended up not sending it.

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  • Amylou333 said:

    ETA: I hope DS1 is ok!

    He's fine...he was definitely quite shaken up but I put some ice on it and a bandaid and he got some advil. I think it will be sore for a day or so. 

    Honestly I'm much more worried about him developing a full phobia of dogs. He was so scared just after the barking incident, but then the dog was playing catch with BIL and having fun and DS1 was laughing and seemed to be getting over it...and then THIS.

    It's just not going to help the matter at all.

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    This would be my fear too. I'm so glad he's doing well and his skin wasn't pierced.
    You absolutely have every right to not have your son interact with this dog again!

  • So....we got a text from BIL. It was a pic of SIL cuddling the dog and it said "sorry I got scared and nipped Ethan. I still love you. Love, Riley."


    Grrrr.  DH wanted to reply back, "you haven't put that dog down yet?" (Joking) but he ended up not sending it.

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    Seriously?! No, just no. I would tell them they better find a trainer before their LO comes and that I wouldn't allow that dog (I'd say "that dog" with disdain) around my son again.

    I'm a dog lover- especially small dogs actually. My pet peeve is owners who don't train their little dogs and allow then to be yappy, coddled, annoying assholes.
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  • So....we got a text from BIL. It was a pic of SIL cuddling the dog and it said "sorry I got scared and nipped Ethan. I still love you. Love, Riley."

    Grrrr.  DH wanted to reply back, "you haven't put that dog down yet?" (Joking) but he ended up not sending it.

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    Ugh. The dog did not bite him because he was scared. When a dog is chasing something and biting it from behind that is not fear, that is prey drive and/or aggression. I really hate people making excuses for their dogs and seem to willfully misunderstand what the dog is doing.
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  • The dog's response was more from a place of aggression than fear. I think you have every right to ask them to keep the dog in a separate room behind a closed door or better yet leave it at home. Training works wonders for dogs and they need to know that there is a potential for your son to be afraid of dogs based on their own dog's behavior. He isn't to be trusted even after their LO is here! Sorry this had to happen
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  • I think that's very reasonable and I would hope your family wouldd even offer to do this on their own. It it your child and while it wasn't bad this time, more than likely with this dog's temperament there will be another and you may not be as lucky. It sounds like the dog doesn't like crowds anyway so I think it would be best for everyone and the dog if they crated the dog or penned it in another room when having large groups of people over. I'm really sorry you had to deal with this on a holiday! But am glad it turned out relatively ok.

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  • I'm so sorry DS1 had to experience this. How did your SIL and BIL act about it when it happened? Were they mortified, remorseful, apologetic? Or were they assholes about it?
    They didn't say much at all. They said, "Riley doesn't like it when kids run past him" and "he's a good dog, you don't need to be scared of him."  BS is what I say.

    They did come to check on him but they never said that they were sorry or anything like that, which also made me mad.

    I told DS1 that he shouldn't have bitten him and that DS1 didn't do anything wrong to provoke Riley to bite him. I also told him I would keep him safe from Riley in the future. We did talk about how not all dogs were like that, and he doesn't need to be scared of all dogs, and reviewed how to be safe around dogs.

    But it did make me mad that they were saying that Riley is such a good dog, he just gets nervous, etc etc.

    MIL texted me to ask if he was ok. I said he was but shaken up and that I didn't think it was going to help his fear of dogs. I also said that I didn't feel comfortable having Riley around the boys anymore. She replied with "sweetie, that's a given and you shouldn't even have to ask." So I hope that's true, but I am going to have DH say something to his brother before we see them again.

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    Oh Hell No! The whole situation is unacceptable and screams irresponsible to me. From what you are describing of the dogs personality, he has a serious Napolean complex going on. Chihuahua's are known for this and the fact that he is easily agitated and your BIL still takes him places, bothers me. It's just a bad situation waiting to happen.  Any dog who is even the slightes bit aggressive should not be any where other than their own home. 
    I'm glad that your DS is okay and don't think that your request is unreasonable at all. 
    I am a dog lover and cannot wait to get one when we get a house. Whoever there is no way that any dog I have will be allowed to think that behavior like that is acceptable. He was not chasing your son out of fear and should have been corrected immediately. Did they leave the dog in another room the rest of the evening? 
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  • wilburbud said:
    esd said:
    I am a huge dog lover and I'm also a vet tech. There is no way that would be ok in my book. You have every right to ask that the dog be put up when you are over or with them. If they refuse, I wouldn't go. That was not a situation where the dog was scared. It sounds more like an aggression/behavior problem. They need to get some training for the dog; especially if they are expecting.
    This. Unacceptable. 
    Yep, I totally agree. This is why we never go over my brother's house. He has 3 pitbulls - I have absolutely no problem with the breed. His dogs are completely untrained and really poorly behaved. They have bitten his friends on a few different occasions and jump on people constantly. He and SIL are SO offended that I won't let DD around them, but the truth is that I don't even want to be around them because they do as they please and don't get corrected. They think it's unacceptable that I ask them to put their "kids" away, so we don't go over - ever.
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  • I saw you said you put a band aid on it. Did it break the skin at all? Or was the band aid to help him as a visual for the "Owie"?? I hope he is able to not hold all dogs as bad. Poor kiddo. Sounds like he was a trooper though.
  • Unfortunately, it seems like they won't get the message until this dog ends up biting their own LO when it arrives.
  • Did they leave the dog in another room the rest of the evening? 
    yes they did
    I saw you said you put a band aid on it. Did it break the skin at all? Or was the band aid to help him as a visual for the "Owie"?? I hope he is able to not hold all dogs as bad. Poor kiddo. Sounds like he was a trooper though.
    it didn't break the skin bc he had pants on but there was a long scrape and a deep bruise. It was more to soothe my son than out of actual necessity.
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  • I agree with th Pps about asking to have the dog go in another room when you are there. The dog chasing your son wasn't out of fear, and they need to get that dog some training before their Lo comes.
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  • Unacceptable! If you haven't gotten them a Christmas gift yet maybe consider training classes at petsmart, before it does serious damage to one of your children or to their lo when it arrives. As long as the behaviors are uncorrected the dog will continue to do what it has been allowed to do. I am glad your son is ok, and they are lucky that it was a family member who was bitten and not someone in a public space because they could very possibly lose their animal for this as well as pay very high fines depending on where they live.
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