October 2013 Moms
ClaireOtoms
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Explain the carseat/grocery basket thing to me please!
ClaireOtoms
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I haven't done it because everyone on here is so adamant that it is dangerous, but I really can't understand why. I consider myself both an intelligent and reasonably educated individual, but neither DH nor I can wrap our heads around this one. I watched the video in the carseat safety thread and honestly, it looked to me like that was a defective shopping basket and even my toddler would be in danger in it!
The "top heavy" thing doesn't make sense to me either, because I don't feel like I'm moving at speeds high enough to topple the basket over, and I'm within arms reach of the thing...
Also, if a carseat is made to withstand severe high speed impacts, how is it not going to protect my infant from a three foot fall?
To reiterate, I HAVEN'T DONE THIS YET, so try not to turn this into a flamefest (unless you include good gifs). I simply want to understand why this is such a big no-no.
ETA: Found this link from the AAP, seems to answer all of my questions. Thanks for the input!
The "top heavy" thing doesn't make sense to me either, because I don't feel like I'm moving at speeds high enough to topple the basket over, and I'm within arms reach of the thing...
Also, if a carseat is made to withstand severe high speed impacts, how is it not going to protect my infant from a three foot fall?
To reiterate, I HAVEN'T DONE THIS YET, so try not to turn this into a flamefest (unless you include good gifs). I simply want to understand why this is such a big no-no.
ETA: Found this link from the AAP, seems to answer all of my questions. Thanks for the input!
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Re: Explain the carseat/grocery basket thing to me please!
Eta: You have to pick your battles. Carseat safety is important to me. If I'm going to fill the shopping cart I put him in the front carrier. I don't even put LO in those seat slings at restaurants.
In the blog I read there was a photo and the position of the car sets looked super dangerous, which is not at all how ours looked when we did it.
ETA: I did buy a Moby in an attempt to carry LO while shopping. It was a huge clusterfuck of a mess and I couldn't figure out the damn thing, even with youtube videos. LO had a shit fit when I attempted to stuff him in there.
That said, all carts are different and whether or not we put him in or on the cart depends a lot on the cart itself.
So what I do? I also put lo in my ergo and I grab one of the mini carts. Big trip? Grab dh and have him grab big cart and I put lo in ergo again.
I went on my first big grocery trip alone last week and the moby was (almost) huge success!! In fact, I was so excited that it worked so well I completely walked away from the cart in the parking lot with my purse still in it. Didn't notice til I got home and then hauled ass back to the store where it was, luckily, sitting in customer service. Semi-fail.
DH has a giant truck with back seats I have trouble getting in by myself I don't know if I could get the seat and me in it.
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FWIW, I've always felt grossed out by those anyway, because I can only imagine the germs crawling all over them.
I definitely didn't say it made it ok (in fact I made it pretty clear that I DON'T put the carseat in the basket), but only that it was one of the things I was curious about.
Obviously you already know this because you know everything, but for anyone else who may have been curious, the AAP link I cited in the edit to the OP discusses WHY my logic here wasn't right - in fact your LO is actually in more danger of injury from falls when strapped into a car seat that is not in the car. It involves the startle/righting reflex, which allows even an infant to protect themselves in the case of a fall. The reflex is interfered with when the infant is attached to the car seat. Also, the car seat increases is heavy and thus increases the impact versus just the weight of the infant falling. I thought that was pretty interesting.
I don't get why it's weird to want to
understand something even if you don't do it...I mean I would love to understand why people are so rude for no reason, but doesn't mean I'm going to be. Posting unicorn gifs is way more fun.
JFC. My comment to you was so mild, no need to get all defensive. I'm simply stating I don't understand someone taking a kid falling so lightly because they are in a car seat. My much bigger 2.5yr old wears a helmet while riding her fucking tricycle and I still don't think she's just fine and dandy after a tumble from her trike - which is much closer to the ground than a shopping cart and she is wearing her safety gear much like an infant being in a car seat. I don't understand how you can think a 3ft fall is NBD and would risk it. Maybe I just err on the side of caution more than you might but I don't think me baby wearing or putting the car seat in the basket is being overly cautious in the slightest.
I definitely didn't say it made it ok (in fact I made it pretty clear that I DON'T put the carseat in the basket), but only that it was one of the things I was curious about.
Obviously you already know this because you know everything, but for anyone else who may have been curious, the AAP link I cited in the edit to the OP discusses WHY my logic here wasn't right - in fact your LO is actually in more danger of injury from falls when strapped into a car seat that is not in the car. It involves the startle/righting reflex, which allows even an infant to protect themselves in the case of a fall. The reflex is interfered with when the infant is attached to the car seat. Also, the car seat increases is heavy and thus increases the impact versus just the weight of the infant falling. I thought that was pretty interesting.
Frankly, I thought you needed a Moon-Moon award for the tone of your original post, myself. And you obviously expected to strike some cords since you kept trying to defend your position by saying you hadn't done it. Clearly, you could have googled and just skipped the whole part where you showed your ignorance.
Around 95% of questions on here are easily answered by using google. Obviously we should all stop asking questions so we don't seem ignorant.
Again putting words in my mouth. If you can actually argue with me without making things up then go for it, but please stop fabricating things. I don't know why no one else picks up on this shit.
I have heard women share third or fourth hand experiences about babies dying from these falls (never with any sort of news story or journal link), and I really just didn't understand how that was possible. Maybe this was common knowledge to everyone else, but I found it rather enlightening.
Just a PSA about car seats, since you feel a baby is safer from falls when strapped into one: you should never place a car seat up on a high surface regardless of the circumstances. My parents used to place my car seat on the counter while they cooked dinner. Due to a variety of circumstances that no one could have foreseen, I fell from the counter. I was 3 months old and fractured my skull, CPS was called out to investigate and it was a nightmare for my mom. Just food for thought.
I have heard women share third or fourth hand experiences about babies dying from these falls (never with any sort of news story or journal link), and I really just didn't understand how that was possible. Maybe this was common knowledge to everyone else, but I found it rather enlightening.
I quoted your original post where you pondered how a car seat would or would not protect your child from a 3ft fall. Where am I misplacing your words? You might not have done it and I am not accusing you of doing it.
And this shit is starting to sound a hell of a lot like BSCMandi picking fights about BFing and NIP just to be a troll. So carry on with your bad self, I'm out.
And when I googled the question all I got in the first page or two was links to forums, which is why I was asking if anyone had access to better information. The car seat manual doesn't say why, either (yeah, I actually read it. go figure you were wrong on that one too).
I posted the link not RIGHT after, but in an edit I made several hours later when I finally had time to sit down and do some searching. I thought someone else, anyone who had ever wondered the same thing, might appreciate the sharing of knowledge. GOD THAT'S SO IGNORANT OF ME!
I was never arguing that it's not safe, only questioning why. I'm not sure why that is such a reprehensible thing to do, except that you guys are just filling in the blanks with ideas that contradict what I was saying in the first place.
oh well. I got my answers, and maybe someone else will find the information valuable. The rest is just another day on TB.
Can you pull the handle all the way back behind the car seat it should help it not rock as much.
At BRU, if a child is in the top part of the buggy, the store enployees approach the parent and ask that they move the child. If they don't immediately move the child, the store asks that the parent leave the store. It is a very well recognized safety risk.