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Stina2012 · November 2013

Chunkymonkeylvr said:

Stina2012 said:

ncchnat said:

Chunkymonkeylvr said:

I think it is funny (not te haha kind). How up in arms people get about certain situations i.e. Hitler and the Nazi's. Not to diminish the horrific conditions and actions that these nasty people forced upon others, but the only reason we know of this is because they didn't win the war. We don't discuss the concentration camps that happened before or after, or the millions being killed on other countries in recent history and going on today.

We don't discuss the Japanese camps that we had here in the US if today.

I think going up in arms for the use of a word used in everyday language makes me giggle.

Actually, I do get upset over the many more millions Stalin and Mao killed. I think the way the US treated the Native Americans, the Japanese, blacks, etc, is appalling, but I do get up in arms and I wish it wasn't used every day. Like I said, I know too many people who were horrifically affected by what happened.

How would you feel if you were talking to an older person and said something about a "grammar nazi" only to find out that person had survived one of the camps? Would you still get a giggle out of it then?
I believe we did know about the concentration camps before we entered the war. And by believe I mean I think that's a historical fact.

Not sure if this is directed at me, but I meant the concentration type camps that are around today, I am not stating that they didn't happen.

Chunky, I'm confused! I think you said we didn't know about European concentration camps until after the war. I said I don't think that's true. As in I believe there is a historical fact that we did know. Not like historical fact snarky. More like I have a foggy brain but think there is historical fact.

Aiylin · November 2013

Should I dare even have another UO?

I think x-mas lights going up before Thanksgiving is huge no-no.

Seriously I drive down the block and every other house has lights, unfortunately half of them are Halloween and half x-mas.

Ugh at this rate, next year the x-mas trees will be going up right after labor day.

And no, I'm not excited we have 24/7 x mas music on one of our stations. I like it, but 3 weeks is more than plentiful. Thanks.

lancomechica · November 2013

Whoa! Work has been insane and I just skimmed the 10 pages. I'm tired.

ceechie · November 2013

etoille said:

Carrie3102 said:

somerandomchick said:

ceechie said:
My beliefs with drug testing is that it violates a persons privacy (oh, civil liberties). Just because you need government aid, does not mean you should give up all personal privacy. I also, don't believe people need to prove their innocence. Choosing to have a job that requires drug testing is very different from a person in need of government aid.
I get it, we're not going to agree on this one. But I wanted the other side out there. I feel like it's very easy for people who have never been in that situation to pass judgment. And you cannot deny that there is a lot of stigma out there.
Like I said I'd rather use the money for drug education and better enforcement of drug laws. Rather than attacking people in need (okay, that was dramatic but I'm cool with it).
I agree with you that it violates personal privacy. The social safety net is intended for everyone, IMO. I don't think there should be conditions on it. I believe in everyone's basic humanity and their right to food, shelter and medical care. Addict, illegal alien, layabout, IDGAF. Whatever you've done with the cards life hands you, nobody deserves to starve to death. The only thing you have to do to 'earn' government assistance if you need it is to be a human being with a pulse.

I also don't believe that most jobs should require drug testing. I had to get tested for an internship in software and it made no sense. I think its a violation of privacy unless working under the influence poses a real danger (working with heavy machinery, children, surgery, driving).!i work in a field where drinking at work events and then going back to work is accepted, so drug testing makes no sense. If you can produce results, who cares if you're high as a kite while doing so. (your body cares but that's NMP)

The bolded are not rights.

Yeah I think folks get confused - they argue "human" rights in terms of what 'ought' to be but when you're dealing with laws and discussions of civil liberties they need to be careful to make sure that they then switch gears to talk about 'rights' in a legal, constitutional sense.

There's an overlap between the two but they are not identical.

I was not confused. I did mean civil liberties and 4th amendment. I know I'm not a lawyer and never went to law school. And I also know I don't have all day to devote to this. But I do believe drug testing in the work place and by the government is not cut and dry.
I believe drug testing falls under this. It's been debated before ...

"The Fourth Amendment was intended to create a constitutional buffer between U.S. citizens and the intimidating power of law enforcement. It has three components. First, it establishes a privacy interest by recognizing the right of U.S. citizens to be "secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects." Second, it protects this privacy interest by prohibiting searches and seizures that are "unreasonable" or are not authorized by a warrant based upon probable cause. Third, it states that no warrant may be issued to a law enforcement officer unless that warrant describes with particularity "the place to be searched, and the
persons or things to be seized." "
Quoted from: https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?rd=1&word=Fourth+Amendment

NewbieMomie · November 2013

Asbromle said:
Also, my son has a sleeper that has skulls and crossbones on it, I freaking HATE it, totally not my style...it was a joke from a friend. He wears it, but only at home, lol. Who makes crap like that for little babies? It's so un babyish.

My SIL put my niece in these types of baby clothes. Not my taste either!

TheLittleRedM · November 2013

On the topic of public school, there are a lot of shitty ones (speaking of the ones back home) but I think my high school was actually pretty damn good. Maybe one or two classes that were a joke in the knowledge department, but I learned a ton 95%+ of the time. And maybe it's just me, but my first two years at college (gen ed wise) was like a review of high school for me and I wasn't thrilled...although, you know, easy A! Lol But I remember a lot of my peers struggling with concepts in our gen ed classes and I couldn't imagine back then how they hadn't discussed it in high school. I know I took a lot of AP and Honor classes but I learned a ton of the info I used in gen ed classes from my regular classes in high school.

Also, because I see this posted on Pinterest ALL the time and it seems like I'm the only one,

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/95490454572419765/

I learned all those things in high school...don't really understand who wouldn't have been taught at least the basics of those for their economics class.

sparkymcgeee · November 2013

I love Christmas music and I'm already listening to it. Kelly Clarkson's album FTW! I also bought DD a kids Christmas cd. Honey badger don't care.

danielledunning · November 2013

Chunkymonkeylvr said:
Another UO: I don't think prostitution should be illegal.

Agreed

Aiylin · November 2013

Chunkymonkeylvr said:

Another UO: I don't think prostitution should be illegal.

I could go with this, but then you need to have it regulated and taxed.

Mandatory screenings for the prostitutes.

Which still leaves you with the drug addict on the corner trying to turn a trick to get to his/her next high and then your still left with an illegal act.

and the moral consequences, should we even go there as a society?

Aiylin · November 2013

@etoille, correct I guess I should have clarified. To me it would be the equivalent of a massage, so then you have to be taxed appropriately on your earnings and tips.

Stina2012 · November 2013

@Chunkymonkeylvr, I misunderstood you then. My bad!

Stina2012 · November 2013

Chunkymonkeylvr said:
Another UO: I don't think prostitution should be illegal.

I think we all know why! Pervy Perv!

ljs4117 · November 2013

Mamasighs said:

ljs4117 said:

I have a hard time taking an organization with the name "Quiverfull" seriously.

I also agree with @meimsx (?) that people jump to "leave him, duh!" way too quickly.. even close friends and family. It irks me. We already have enough broken ass homes and children, yunno? That said, I missed the post about the guy threatening to take away children.. I'll have to find that.

Also, I think public school is a joke. If a kid fails a class, try to figure out the issue, but still fail him/her! Kids.. no... most people need to be more accountable for their actions. I think high school should be more at the level of the gen ed classes in college....... ugh. this is turning into a rant and I'm getting impatient typing one-handed. Hopefully it made a tiny bit of sense.

@ljs4117 No, this doesn't make any sense and it's obvious you don't know much about how education works, at all.
I agree the idea that everyone should receive a college preparatory hs diploma is flawed, and I assume that's what you're getting at here. Most states are changing the diploma options as part of Race to the Top. I won't bore you with all the details, but it seems like the tide is changing and that more options will be offered to students who will not attend a 4 year university. This is thrilling to me and I'm hoping it happens.
I do not agree that educators should "figure out the reason a kid is failing but THEN still allow them to fail". The idea that I operated under as both an AP English teacher and a high school Special Ed teacher was that I was there to do as much as was reasonable to guarantee their success. Often this meant something different for every student.

I didn't explain myself, I guess. I never said (or never meant to say) that teachers should just sit back and let students fail. I just think that if at the end of the semester passing work has not been done, the student should not pass that class/grade. I basically think standards are far too lax and not really all that "standard" amongst schools/districts.

I think it would be wonderful if we had more specialized h.s. coursework. Not every student wants/needs to go to college for what they want in life so why do we have a one-size-fits-all plan for highschool?

Aiylin · November 2013

etoille said:

Aiylin said:

Chunkymonkeylvr said:

Another UO: I don't think prostitution should be illegal.

I could go with this, but then you need to have it regulated and taxed.

Mandatory screenings for the prostitutes.

Which still leaves you with the drug addict on the corner trying to turn a trick to get to his/her next high and then your still left with an illegal act.

and the moral consequences, should we even go there as a society?

you just jumped the shark dude. someone can take their paycheck and buy drugs. are we going to outlaw work?

Yes, all work should be illegal. All of it.

Ok for real? What I'm saying is you go ahead and legalize prostitution. Your still left with a good portion of illegal prostitution going on that is not regulated. The cost is cheaper and more readily accessible. So legalizing prostitution IMO does little more than getting Uncle Sam his fair share and helping the consumer of said goods have a some peace of mind about not getting an STD, also it facilitates the transaction (finding sellers with buyers and vice versa) but that's about it.

ljs4117 · November 2013

etoille said:

somerandomchick said:

I'll throw a UO in and see what we can stir up: I don't think women should shave their legs (or other bits, really). The idea that women should be hairless comes from all these bullshit patriarchal sexist ideas and we should just do away with it. I know lots of you will say 'I shave/trim/whatever for ME because I like it'. But your preferences did not arise in a vacuum. You live this culture and you experience it and you absorb it, and the patriarchal ideas become your ideas too. We can't help it. I shave my armpits because ew, gross. But I wish it wasn't an issue in our culture. I wish I could get all women to agree to throw our razors in the trash and say Fuck This.

my hairy legs love this.

I'm the same way though - I HAVE to shave my pits.

Me three. I feel like hairy pits get smelly faster... But there is something satisfying about letting it grow a few days and *finally* shaving.......... All that hair on the shower wall LOL

Aiylin · November 2013

somerandomchick said:

I'll throw a UO in and see what we can stir up: I don't think women should shave their legs (or other bits, really). The idea that women should be hairless comes from all these bullshit patriarchal sexist ideas and we should just do away with it. I know lots of you will say 'I shave/trim/whatever for ME because I like it'. But your preferences did not arise in a vacuum. You live this culture and you experience it and you absorb it, and the patriarchal ideas become your ideas too. We can't help it. I shave my armpits because ew, gross. But I wish it wasn't an issue in our culture. I wish I could get all women to agree to throw our razors in the trash and say Fuck This.

How French of you... I just ordered a new waxing kit. I hope this one works. Seriously I think I have some special breed of hair, except for the one on my head that falls out constantly.

I don't think I would like how my legs look in shorts and skirts with hair on it. So I wouldn't go with this fad.

ceechie · November 2013

Ok, so, no constitutional rights to benefits. I get it. So, if I need this aid, I need to give up my privacy or be denied benefits.
And I'm not all worked up. I was just stating I didn't study law. Obviously you did, and would really like me to know how difficult it is to understand. I do not think our government should be allowed to offer support services but only if you give up these rights.
And yes, I didn't want to do a back and forth on this today. But I'm also not going to walk away and be blasted.
Except for right now... I just got spit up on.

sparkymcgeee · November 2013

etoille said:

OMG @meimsx your post dude

hahahahahaha

Is the white space a metaphor for something? I really thought my computer spazzed out.

No. My computer legit spazzed out. Lol. Hopefully my edit worked.

Aiylin · November 2013

Chunkymonkeylvr said:

Why would they have to be drug or std tested? And do you honestly think by it being illegal you are stopping someone working to get a drug fix?

Quote tree fail:

no if prostitution were legal, they would have to be std tested periodically as they are in Reno, where prostitution is legal. (I don't think they drug test and I don't care if they are, I am not saying they need to be).

No the fact that its illegal is not stopping any addictions, my point is that even if you legalize, your still going to end up with illegal prostitution going on.

Also, I think that the reason that it hasn't been legalized has more to do with moral issues/consequences it brings with it and no political leader, left or right is willing to take on that beast. No ma'am, everyone saw what happened to Bill after Monica.

sparkymcgeee · November 2013

ceechie said:

Ok, so, no constitutional rights to benefits. I get it. So, if I need this aid, I need to give up my privacy or be denied benefits. And I'm not all worked up. I was just stating I didn't study law. Obviously you did, and would really like me to know how difficult it is to understand. I do not think our government should be allowed to offer support services but only if you give up these rights. And yes, I didn't want to do a back and forth on this today. But I'm also not going to walk away and be blasted. Except for right now... I just got spit up on.

But they aren't RIGHTS. You aren't giving up rights because they aren't rights. Just listen to the lawyer. She knows her ish. ETA: I should clarify but I'm just going to let etoille say it again if she wants to. You do have a right to your own pee technically.

Liz4444 · November 2013

Tl;dr

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Carrie3102 · November 2013

Chunkymonkeylvr said:

Carrie3102 said:

@chunkeymonkeylvr I'm not sure I disagree with @ncchnat on the word nazi and use of hitler... I mean there are lots of words that are taboo because they offend people even though they are just "words" (FYI I hate... LOATH PC bullshit) so if the "n" word is so bad, why isn't nazi?IDK... IDK.... I'm just not sure where I stand on that one

Fucking Quote Tree Fail!
That is the thing though, I think we can all think of words or phrases that we completely disagree with or do not like. Are we to expect everyone to stop using a legitimate word because of history?
I just did a lot of deleting because after 10 min I figured out my point.... kind of. I am sure that I am alone in my thought and that is cool, but the reason I find it to be completely different than other taboo words is that the other taboo words are stating that a certain group of people are bad or beneath others, when they are not. When the word Nazi,well they are... I don't know.

Meh I'm not sure disagree with you either. I honestly don't know where I stand.

sparkymcgeee · November 2013

Chunkymonkeylvr said:

Tl;dr
( What does this mean

@Chunkymonkeylvr it means Too long; didn't read.

Aiylin · November 2013

@etoille well there are certainly perhaps differentr arguments my point was to say that even if you legalize prostitution you will not end illegal prostitution.

sorry for any grammar errors I'm currently mobile and unable to revise my post

MagickalNarwhal · November 2013

Chunkymonkeylvr said:
If I knew you in real life and I knew that it bothered you yes I would honestly make an effort to never use that word around you. Because I do believe in not being a total prick. In general though no I am not going to cut words out of my vocabulary because it "might" be offensive to someone whom I may nor may not know.

Two people in this thread alone have told you that they find it personally offensive. So you are fine being a total prick to people you don't know?

ceechie · November 2013

Oh welp, defiantly a UO thread this week.

ljs4117 · November 2013

I think this was a pretty successful UO. I really hate reading through 10 pages of boring. This one was entertaining and thought provoking.

[Deleted User] · November 2013

ncchnat said:

Dccornel said:

I wasn't going to say anything but I think I will. My cousin is by definition 'mentally retarded' because she has Rett's Syndrome. I have never and absolutely will never consider her retarded because I actually think the word is vuglar in the definition people think it should be used. I, however, use it in the terms of jokingly calling someone or something 'stupid'. I am more offended by the politcally correct term over someone using it in a nonchalant way. My cousin is by no means stupid, she is disabled by her syndrome. I think it is unfair that she is thrown in a category so people feel better about themselves. She is mentally and physically incapacitated by her syndrome. Does that make her any less of a person? NO.

I would argue that to use it to insult someone or something actually adds to the classifying her as less than a person, which she is not.

That being said, I also do not like it being legitimately used to classify those who do have to live with mental incapacities, mostly because it has been used to make them seem less than other people, conferred an otherness on them, and because it has become synonymous with stupid.

Oh I am popping my UO cherry. As a mother to a 'mentally retarded' kid I do not think people should stop using words. They should just be aware when using words like that who their audience is. Before I had Morgan I would use the word retarded randomly in phrases. I sometimes still do but I do try not to use it. I know that not everyone will be mindful and there will be people out there that are just cruel and just use it to be hurtful. That is my biggest fear for my little girl as she gets older that people will judge her as less than a person and say cruel things to hurt her. I do not think of her as being 'mentally retarded'. She is just my sweet little baby who needs love and kindness just like all people.

arlingirl · November 2013

Ugh I'm only on page NINE you guys. NINE. The more we do UO...the less I like certain people. Maybe that's my FFFC...again. :> Not that anyone gives a rat's ass what I think. Still. Seriously? It's like some people go, "Hmm...this is boring. How can I stir up shit this week and then get all butthurt." Am I crazy? %-(

jackson290721 · November 2013

arlingirl said:

Ugh I'm only on page NINE you guys. NINE. The more we do UO...the less I like certain people. Maybe that's my FFFC...again. :> Not that anyone gives a rat's ass what I think. Still. Seriously? It's like some people go, "Hmm...this is boring. How can I stir up shit this week and then get all butthurt." Am I crazy? %-(

I've started scrolling through the UO and just not looking at SN. Then I don't know who said what and I can keep liking everyone...well almost everyone.

arlingirl · November 2013

jackson290721 said:

TheLittleRedM said:

arlingirl said:

Ugh I'm only on page NINE you guys. NINE. The more we do UO...the less I like certain people. Maybe that's my FFFC...again. :> Not that anyone gives a rat's ass what I think. Still. Seriously? It's like some people go, "Hmm...this is boring. How can I stir up shit this week and then get all butthurt." Am I crazy? %-(

I've started scrolling through the UO and just not looking at SN. Then I don't know who said what and I can keep liking everyone...well almost everyone.

This is a good game plan. I just don't know if I can, though. I guess that is what "block/hide" is for.

cuterusaurus · November 2013

@Dccornel said:

@valstulas said:

lizabethann06 said:
I instantly noticed that giant tub of cheese balls I'm the background. I think I may be hungry.

Or. Pregnant.

With. Twins.

I kid

but you see now I have to.

cuterusaurus · November 2013

Stina2012 said:

etoille said:
ok since we're already on the subject...

has anyone seen this?

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/watch-family-feud-players-awkwardly-racial-answer-about-black-zombies/

I just about peed my pants.
Yes!!!! I laughed so hard. But I didn't pee my pants because I had a surgical extraction.

)

babykk · November 2013

Oh man... I can't wait for FFFC

NKF312 · November 2013

Chunkymonkeylvr said:

Chunkymonkeylvr said:
If I knew you in real life and I knew that it bothered you yes I would honestly make an effort to never use that word around you. Because I do believe in not being a total prick. In general though no I am not going to cut words out of my vocabulary because it "might" be offensive to someone whom I may nor may not know.

Two people in this thread alone have told you that they find it personally offensive. So you are fine being a total prick to people you don't know?
My quick response: yes I have no problem with it. I think it is incredibly PC to not use the word grammar nazi because of the holocaust. It is what it is.

This makes me sad, I keep typing and deleting.. My dh's grandfather escaped the holocaust and so many loved ones didn't. I also worked with a non profit that hosted a group of holocaust survivors weekly, they are so happy to be alive, great people, upbeat about life. However, say the word nazi in front of them, in ANY context, and the pain in their eyes is enough to know that word is not to be taken lightly .

jeng100 · November 2013

Holy crap! What a UO thread today. It's taken me nearly all day to read through it!

giraffeluvspi · November 2013

arlingirl said:

jackson290721 said:

TheLittleRedM said:

arlingirl said:

Ugh I'm only on page NINE you guys. NINE. The more we do UO...the less I like certain people. Maybe that's my FFFC...again. :> Not that anyone gives a rat's ass what I think. Still. Seriously? It's like some people go, "Hmm...this is boring. How can I stir up shit this week and then get all butthurt." Am I crazy? %-(

I've started scrolling through the UO and just not looking at SN. Then I don't know who said what and I can keep liking everyone...well almost everyone.

This is a good game plan. I just don't know if I can, though. I guess that is what "block/hide" is for.

It makes me sad that you would turn on someone because they opened up and shared their opinions here. I think a lot of women just enjoy a good debate.

arlingirl · November 2013

ChrissieMeas said:

arlingirl said:

Ugh I'm only on page NINE you guys. NINE. The more we do UO...the less I like certain people. Maybe that's my FFFC...again. :> Not that anyone gives a rat's ass what I think. Still. Seriously? It's like some people go, "Hmm...this is boring. How can I stir up shit this week and then get all butthurt." Am I crazy? %-(

I've started scrolling through the UO and just not looking at SN. Then I don't know who said what and I can keep liking everyone...well almost everyone.
This is a good game plan. I just don't know if I can, though. I guess that is what "block/hide" is for.
It makes me sad that you would turn on someone because they opened up and shared their opinions here. I think a lot of women just enjoy a good debate.

I haven't blocked anyone yet. I just think it gets a little ridiculous. And I don't enjoy debate, so that's my issue.

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