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So much heartbreak...

Well... After 11 months and 8 tries we got another BFN this morning. I don't think devastation can even begin to describe our feelings.
I feel like we are constantly grieving... There is just no logic to it... And we are scared and our hope tank (and our bank account) are getting low.
This cycle was a the worst. We had to have 2 baseline ultrasounds which was hard... When we went in for the IUI the midwife started to perform the procedure before realizing she didn't know what the office had done with the sperm, and I had little hope to start out with. Then my period was late... And my temps stayed high (they are still high)... So we let ourselves hope. Of course this all came crashing down this morning.
We just don't know how much more we can take. I am tired of watching people get pregnant who aren't trying (we have been doing volunteer work for a homeless shelter and it is devastating). On top of this we don't know what to do next... We can't decide whether to switch to an RE, even though it will be more expensive, if I should give up my dream job so we can save up for IVF, or where to even start.
Guess we are just looking for hopes, prayers (if that's your thing) and suppport. We are really hurting and don't know where to turn.

Baby Hayden Frances born 12/20/14 at 11:11 a.m...  Our perfect little miracle.  Here's how we got here:

My lovely wife:

5 IUI's January 2013-June 2013- 3 Cycles with Clomid- BFN

 

Myself: Genderqueer guy who hopped in the driver's seat of the baby making train

IUI #6- 7/23- Monitored and Trigger on Day 12, with one 16mm follicle and one 18mm follicle- BFN

IUI #7- 8/21- Not monitored, 50mg Clomid- BFN

September and October: Missed Cycles due to vacation and a Half Marathon

IUI #8- Monitored and triggered on day 15, with one 23x18mm follicle- BFN on 11/19/2013

December:  Moved onto to see an RE to make a good plan.

IUI #9- 1/1/2014 Natural Cycle, BFP on 1/15/2014,  6W Ultra-Sound Reveals nothing in Gestation Sack... Natural M/C at 7W, 2/3/2014

IUI #10 3/21/2014- Natural Cycle- BFP on 4/1/2014 (please don't be an April Fools.  Beta #1 13dpiui- 48, Beta #2 16dpiui- 416, Beta #3 1018...

1st Ultrasound- 4/22/2014- 6w4d HB- 134!

Check out my Blog at: http://pregnantboithinksoutloud.blogspot.com/ 

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  • Oh @doodah103 and @firstcomeslove, I am so incredibly sorry and sad to hear this. You both have been through so much on this journey, and this just isn't fair. There are no other words. Right now the comfort you need can't come from words from me or anyone else here really... just reach out and hold each other and be strong for one another and take the time you need to grieve this unsuccessful attempt.

    When you are ready to think about what is next, I woulld recommend making an appointment with a RE. An initial appointment should not cost you much/or anyting other than a specialist co-pay depending on your insurance. Have either of you had an HSG or other diagnostic testing (I'm sorry, I can't remember)?

    Also, not that I am trying to push IVF on anyone, b/c I know it is a huge a difficult step to take... but you might be surprised about the cost. You have likely already paid the cost of a fresh cycle in what you have spent on IUIs, meds, sperm, etc. so far. It may still not be an option, or the route that you want to take, but meeting with a RE and the financial counselor at the RE's office is the only way you will get real data about what your options might look at should you decide to explore that path...

    But all of this aside, I am truly so sorry that you are hurting right now. Sending you lots of warm, healing thoughts and big virtual hugs.

    Me - 30, My wife - 31 , Together for 10 yrs - Married August 2012

    5 medicated IUIs w/ RE (March - July 2013) = BFN

    Fresh IVF Cycle in September 2013 resulted in 18 mature eggs, 16 fertilized, 12 made it to day 5. Transfer of 2 Grade A blastocysts on 9/15/13, and 10 embryos in the freezer!      *****BFP on 9/25/13 - betas: @10dp5dt = 232; @12dp5dt = 465; @15dp5dt = 1,581   *********William George born June 4, 2014*********
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  • So sorry @doodah1013 and @firstcomeslove... I really hope you find some peace.  I don't think there's anything I can say to make you feel better, unfortunately, but just know you're in my thoughts.
  • When Z and I experienced our loss, I so desperately wanted to make sense out of what happened, and the fact that I couldn't was just maddening.  It's simply unfair that two wonderful people who want to create a family are struggling with making it happen.  It pains me to read about your struggles and I wish I knew something to say that would help the least little bit.  What I can do is let you know that I'm thinking about you, I'm sad with/for you, and I'm wishing you the very best as you decide how to move forward.  Hugs to you both.
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  • I am so sorry to hear this.  I was really pulling for you guys every month, but especially this cycle.  This process really pushes you to your limits on a personal level and as a couple.  I am here for both of you to vent anytime.  I can also recommend a great RE here in Columbus.  We should all get together soon and enjoy a bottle (or three) of wine....just because we can :-)  Hugs and love to you both!
    T & G My wife and I married 9/10/11 in Niagara Falls, NY
    HSG 12/12/12        
    #1 ICI 12/15/12              BFN on 12/29/12
    #2 ICI  1/11/13                BFN 1/28/13                       
    #3 ICI 2/11/13                 BFN
                   
    #4 ICI August 2013,  Clomid 100mg    BFN on 8/30/13 
    #5 ICI September-Clomid 100,  mg ICI 8/15 and 8/16,  BFN on 9/3
    #6 ICI October-Clomid 150 mg for 5 days   BFN 10/27
    uterine laparoscopy on 11/14-no endo or cysts
    #7 IUI December-Clomid 150mg    BFP 12/21
    12/23 Beta 51     12/26 Beta 209!
    First ultrasound on January 8th 2014-great healthy heartbeat
    Second Ultrasound January 23 (8 weeks) we got to see and hear the heartbeat
    Third Ultrasound Feb 4th(10 weeks), then will  released to OBGYN'
    It's a GIRL!
    We welcomed Adalyn Cooper Elizabeth on 8/29/14
    She was 7lbs 11oz and 19.6 inches long

    Proud foster parents to two little girls ages 2.5 yrs old, M,  and 1 year old, K



  • Just wanted to say that this sucks and we are thinking about you guys..... (HUGS)
    Same sex couple, Married 8/6/11
    Baby Oliver born 11/27/13

    TTC stats with donor sperm...
    IUI #1 with trigger, 1/4/13 - BFN
    IUI #2 with trigger, 2/1/13 BFN
    IUI #3 with tigger, 2/28/12 BFP EDD 11/21/13
  • I'm am truly sorry for you both. Thoughts are being sent your way. I hope you will gain the clarity you need soon to see the best way forward for you both. You're in my thoughts.

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  • I'm so sad to see this news. It is heartbreaking to see this ending for you on this cycle. I know there will be a lot of soul searching after this cycle and just know we are all here and all supporting what you decide for next steps. I echo what everyone has said and at the very least I would consider getting a second opinion from an RE and do some information gathering whether that's new drugs, new timing, new donor, possibly IVF, etc. I'm definitely thinking about you both.
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  • @doodah1013 and @firstcomeslove I am so sorry to hear about this cycle not working out.  Every cycle we got a BFN was like a mini-loss to me because we somehow got our hopes up (despite promises to myself not to each time).  TTC is seriously one of the most challenging things I have ever done.  Even with my loving wife by my side.

    I echo the responses from PP, maybe its time for an appointment with an RE and perhaps IVF is a route to consider?  EV and I went a less traditional route with a known donor and fresh sperm.  For us it really worked and I'd be happy to tell you both more if its something you want to consider.  Whichever direction you choose I will be cheering you on from the sidelines!! The path to our families is so challenging.. it's really not fair. I hope that fate has it in the cards for you to get to start yours soon.
  • I'm sorry to hear about your BFN :( I'll be thinking about you guys as you map out your next step on this journey.
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  • I am so sorry. You both have been through so much. Please know you are both in my thoughts.

    I would also suggest a visit with a RE when you both are ready. We started with a RE and are very glad we did. I had three failed IUIs. I updated on my situation in the good luck thread. If I wasn't seeing a RE, I wouldn't have had the surgery and wouldn't know that there was a reason we have been unsuccessful so far. I'm very thankful to have done this after only three failed attempts. It is very possible that something like this could be the case for either of you as well. Something that is fixable that could enable either of you to get pregnant after all.

    Me: 30  DW (aka C): 29

    Together since 2/15/11 ~ Legally married in NY on 9/29/12

    ***CP mentioned***

    We've been working on baby #1 since July 2013 using Open ID donor sperm.  8 IUI attempts with 5 actual IUIs and one chemical pregnancy.  We have one fresh IVF cycle under our belts as well as a FET.  I have endometriosis and a uterine septum that was corrected via surgery in November 2013. 

    11/14/14 -  Second HSG shows that tubes are still clear and ute is looking good. 

    12/6/14 - Started BCPs in prep for IVF #2

    12/22/14 - Saline u/s and endometrial scratch (All was clear and OUCH!)

    1/2/15 - Began stimming for IVF #2

     ****All Welcome!****

    We are Mommas to four fur babies - 3 dogs and 1 cat.

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  • Just wanted to thank everyone for their thoughts. We are taking good care of each other... Today was our traditional CD1 "Whatever the Eff we Wanna do" day.. Which included corn dogs, lattes, sushi and now a tall blue berry vodka. I also squeezed in a contemplative 8 mile run, which was nice (mostly because it is impossible to cry and run at the same time).
    We are looking into our options and are planning a sit down consultation with our midwife (the only provider we like at the practice) to voice some frustrations and see if we have any other options to pursue.
    We then plan to begin seeing an RE in January (as it will be a new deductible year for insurance). I am sure my crappy non-profit insurance won't cover much, but every little bit helps. We are also looking into medical loan options and financing.
    We are also joining a grief support group at church to help deal with our hopelessness. We will survive this. Like @2mamazseattle said the other day "the only way there is through" and I think we have been through enough. But it isn't our time yet, for whatever reason.
    Thanks for listening. We love you guys.

    Baby Hayden Frances born 12/20/14 at 11:11 a.m...  Our perfect little miracle.  Here's how we got here:

    My lovely wife:

    5 IUI's January 2013-June 2013- 3 Cycles with Clomid- BFN

     

    Myself: Genderqueer guy who hopped in the driver's seat of the baby making train

    IUI #6- 7/23- Monitored and Trigger on Day 12, with one 16mm follicle and one 18mm follicle- BFN

    IUI #7- 8/21- Not monitored, 50mg Clomid- BFN

    September and October: Missed Cycles due to vacation and a Half Marathon

    IUI #8- Monitored and triggered on day 15, with one 23x18mm follicle- BFN on 11/19/2013

    December:  Moved onto to see an RE to make a good plan.

    IUI #9- 1/1/2014 Natural Cycle, BFP on 1/15/2014,  6W Ultra-Sound Reveals nothing in Gestation Sack... Natural M/C at 7W, 2/3/2014

    IUI #10 3/21/2014- Natural Cycle- BFP on 4/1/2014 (please don't be an April Fools.  Beta #1 13dpiui- 48, Beta #2 16dpiui- 416, Beta #3 1018...

    1st Ultrasound- 4/22/2014- 6w4d HB- 134!

    Check out my Blog at: http://pregnantboithinksoutloud.blogspot.com/ 

  • This post breaks my heart. I am so very sorry to hear this news and I can only hope that you both find comfort in each other. We are all here for you as much as we can be. I'm sending positive energy and thoughts to both of you. 

    TTC our first. Married to, and madly in love with, my beautiful wife. Living with our fur baby and enjoying 19 nieces and nephews. 
    • DW and I have been tracking, preparing, getting medical testing since January 2013.
    • First Cycle: Unmedicated ICI w/ Donor Sperm 08/02/13: BFN
    • Second Cycle: Unmedicated ICI w/ Donor Sperm 09/11/13, 09/13/13, 09/15/13: BFN
    • Third Cycle: Unmedicated ICI w/ Donor Sperm: 10/13/13, 10/15/13, 10/17/13, 10/21/13: BFN
    • January 2014: Sonohysterogram shows excellent lining & tubes have no blockages
    • Fourth Cycle:  Monitored clomid cycle  w/ ICI's at home: 1/24/14 and 1/25/14. Ovulation verified:  BFN
    • Fifth Cycle: 02/2014 Femara 5mg with ovidrel trigger CD14: BFN
    • Taking a few months off to evaluate if we want to keep trying


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  • Oh you two. I love the crap out of you and I am so so so sorry this happened. It's exhausting and though my path was different, I'm coming up on a year and I get the hope and crushing sadness when it doesn't work. There's just not enough wine in the world to really dull that pain. And I'm so sorry.

    I agree - the only way out is through, but you indeed have been through enough.

    I echo the other IVF'ers here in saying that, despite the cost, it may be totally worth it to consider IVF when you compare it to the cost of a zillion inseminations. Money sucks, but you are young and you will recover. The point is - and this is the OLD lady on the board talking - if I could go back to being your age and put myself $20K in debt and have a baby - I'd know that today, I'd be out of debt with a 12-year-old. The money will work itself out - you are both capable and will make it work. Just my two cents, don't let money be the thing that holds you back when you can likely make it work. It's funny - no one thinks anything of getting a $20K car and paying it off over 5 years, but they'll wait to save up for IVF. Just a perspective to ponder. I think a visit to an RE and perhaps considering IVF is the right next step - meanwhile, I'm so sorry you are sad and hurting. And, deep down, I really do know it'll be ok for you - so hang in there. Lots of love.
    Lil'mamaz was born on Aug 21, 2014! She's PERFECT!

    It's been a long road to here...
    Me (43) and J (45) - same sex couple. And we don't feel 40+!
    June'12 - First RE Visit
    Sept. '12 - Tubes removed
    Dec. '12 - Donor Egg/Donor Sperm IVF Cycle - 4 good embies!
    Dec. '12 - Fresh transfer, BFP! EDD 8/29/13
    Mar. '13 - Missed m/c at 16w1d, baby boy stopped growing at 15w4d
    Loss due to umbilical cord clot...baby was perfect. :(
    Jul '13 - FET#1 - c/p
    Sept. '13 - FET#2 - BFN
    Dec.' 2, 2013 - FET#3 with our last chance embie - BFP!!!
    Dec' 26, 2013 - hb!!
    EDD 8/20/14 with a baby girl!
    Little S was born on 8/21/14 - 8lb, 14 oz and 20 inches long.
    We live in Seattle and used SRM for our donor egg IVF cycle


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  • It's really, really hard and I really feel for you two.  Big hugs.  Keep leaning on us when you have to.
    Married my wife 8/2007 ~ TTC #1 since 7/2011
    9 IUIs = 9 BFNs
    IVF October 2012: 22 eggs retrieved, 17 fertilized, 5 frozen
    ET #1: 1 blast = BFP; Blighted ovum discovered at 7w5d; D&E
    FET #1: 1 blast = BFP; Missed m/c discovered at 9w5d; D&E
    Karyotyping: normal ~ RPL Testing: normal ~ Hysteroscopy: normal
    FET #2: 1 blast transferred 10/25; BFP 10/31!
    EDD 7/13/14 ~ Induced at 37w4d due to pre-eclampsia ~ Born on 6/28/14
    *Everyone welcome*

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  • I've been gone since last Thursday and have so much to catch up on on the board and won't have time until this weekend (if then). But I did want to drop in on this post and say that I'm so so so sorry to hear about your BFN.

    I'm sending you both lots of love and supportive vibes. Feel free to hit me up here or facebook if either of you wants to chat.

    XOX
    ****loss discussed*****

    We're queer. I'm 33, have severe stage 4 endo, and had both fallopian tubes removed. My love ("Manada" on the boards, 32) was diagnosed with diminished ovarian reserve. We did Partner IVF (my eggs, her uterus). We lost our twins Tavin and Casey at 21 weeks gestation.

    Our IUIs
    with @Manada: IUI# 1-7 (December 2012- September 2013) all BFN. Tried natural, femara, clomid, puregon/follistim, clomid and menopur combo, both the ovidrel and HCG triggers.

    Our IVFs:
    IVF #1 my eggs November/December 2013: Cancelled IVF due to poor response

    IVF #2 my eggs/Manada's uterus January/February 2014
    BCPs and lupron overlap Stimmed: 1/22-2/2: Bravelle and Menopur (dosage ranged from B300 and M150 to B375 and M150 to B300 and M225)
    2/4 retrieved 10 eggs. Endo was much worse than expected. Only 3 eggs fertilized; February 7 transferred two day 3 embryos, froze one. All great condition.
    BFP eve of 6dp3dt; Beta 1 (11dp3dt): 110; Beta 2 (13dp3dt): 175; Beta 3 (15dp3dt): 348; Beta 4 (19dp3dt): 2222; Beta 5 (21dp3dt): 4255
    1st ultrasound (3/6  6w 1d): TWINS!!!! Twin A measuring 6w1d with a heartbeat of 118bpm. Twin B measuring 6w0d with a heartbeat of 113bpm. 

    ***July 18, 2014 we lost our beautiful babies at 21 weeks gestation. They were born too early. Tavin Sara T. and Casey Elizabeth T. are beautiful and precious and we will love them and miss them forever.***

    FET #1 December 2014
    Intralipid infusion on Dec 10. Transfer of 1 day 3 nine-cell embryo into my uterus on Dec. 19. (acupuncture immediately before and after)
    BFP on Dec. 27; Beta 1 Jan 2 (14dp3dt): 665, Beta 2 Jan 4 (16dp3dt): 1859, Beta 3 Jan 6 (18dp3dt): 4449, Beta 4 Jan 10 (22dp3dt): 12,251.



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  • I can't express how grateful we are to have all of you "in" our lives. Its so interesting to think that strangers from all over know more about our personal business than our closest friends and family. Sometimes I feel like this group is a family in itself. This BFN was a sharp one for us and I feel really hopeless. Reading your comments has helped to shed some light on this for us and your support is so helpful and appreciated. I feel like we are still licking our wounds a bit but I will be in touch with some of you privately to take you up on your offer of guidance and support.

    We love you guys!

    Queer coupled and having a BABY with the love of my life! Love my life and wouldn't have it any other way!
    First IUI 1/22/2013 BFN: 2/7/2013, Second IUI 2/21/2013 BFN: 3/9/2013, Third IUI 4/23/2013 BFN: 5/8/2013, Fourth IUI 5/24/2013 BFN: 6/7/2013, Fifth IUI 6/24/2013 BFN: 7/8/2013

    C began IUI's
    7/23/2013 C's first IUI BFN, 8/21/2013 C's second IUI BFN , Took a break in September and October, 11/05/2013 C's 3rd IUI (TWW...we meet again...) BFN, Took off the month to switch to an RE. 01/01/2014 C's 4th IUI...BFP!!!!!!!! Beta #1- 17, Beta #2- 34, Beta #3-140....  6W Ultra-Sound Reveals nothing in Gestation Sack... Natural M/C at 7W, 2/3/2014

    03/21/2014 IUI #10...BFP!!! Beta #1- 48, Beta #2- 416, Beta #3- 1018. GROW BABY GROW!!!

    1st Ultrasound 4/22/2014 Baby Squints is PERFECT! Measuring at 6w2d with a heartbeat of 129. EDD: 12/12/14.

    Ultrasound at 18 weeks on 7/14/2014. Baby is healthy and growing just as she should!

     

    Check out my blog at: http://journeytoparenthoodandmakingmilk.blogspot.com/

     

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