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FF and Bedsharing

Hi, just wondering if anyone bedshares and formula feeds.  If yes, how often does your baby wake to feed?  Are they learning to self settle?

Any thing you would want to share about your experience would be helpful.  Thanks so much!!
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Re: FF and Bedsharing

  • Yes, I do. James is almost 8 months and has dropped night feedings, but when he was younger, he fed probably 1-2 times per night. I would keep one of those formula containers filled for 3 feedings, a bottle of water, and a few bottles by my bed and mix right there so that I didn't have to get up. They also have a bottle cooler/warmer combo where you can keep pre-mixed bottles in the cooler and warm them in the warmer, all in one machine. 

    He doesn't really self-settle. He needs a binkie replacement often. But I don't really mind. 

    There is a theory that bedsharing is not as safe for FF infants. But we have done just fine. Just letting you know that you might read that. 

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  • Thanks, kellyrn9956, I appreciate your response.   I have read about bedsharing not being safe for the formula feeders.  I was little worried about posting here because of that, but I do feel like I am very aware of my LO so I am not super concerned about the safety issue.  I do think bedsharing is different for formula feeders, maybe harder in that you can't nurse lying down and feed in a twilight state...and maybe easier (I hope) in that there is less of a temptation for continual feeding since there is no allure of the breast right there.
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  • We do a combo of cosleeping and bedsharing, and we FF. Some (most) nights, DS starts the night in his sidecarred crib. If he wakes up (it's usually when DH's alarm goes off at 345 am) I pull him into bed with me for the rest of the night. He hasn't woken up to eat during the night since he was about 4 months old (he will be 9 months on 11/13 if you're on mobile) and if anything just needs a little soothing and his paci replaced. Sometimes we bedshare all night, like when he's not feeling well, or is having teething pain. 

    When he was waking at night to feed, it was once or twice, and I pretty much did the same thing kellyrn said. Kept all supplies right at the bedside and just made the bottles on the spot. 

    We have been working this combo at night since he was born, and we love it. Good luck to you! 
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  • edited November 2013
    Makes sense, Regal Mama, thank you.  We are experimenting now with a side car arrangement, with one side down on the crib flush next to me..so hypothetically he would have his own space without a pillow.  I will see where he gravitates.
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  • It's all fun and games until you accidentally smother your baby! It is unsafe unless you have them in a cosleeper or bassinet by your bed. Just took care of a baby today who was smothered. Trust me you don't want to be that parent.
  • SM2321 said:

    It's all fun and games until you accidentally smother your baby! It is unsafe unless you have them in a cosleeper or bassinet by your bed. Just took care of a baby today who was smothered. Trust me you don't want to be that parent.

    I'm all about sharing good resources and information to help educate people, but this, IMHO, was not a cool way to give advice.
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  • Emerald27Emerald27 member
    edited November 2013
    My recommendation for cosleeping with a formula fed infant would be to sidecar/give baby his own space within arms reach until he is 4-6 months old at least, and then bring him in bed for snuggles during the night. I would also recommend doing some research (which I'm sure you have, OP) so that your decision is a truly informed one, and take the usual safety precautions for safe bedsharing.

    FWIW, this is what Dr. James McKenna, the foremost expert on infant sleep from the Mother-Baby Behavioral Sleep Laboratory, has to say about bedsharing with a bottle fed baby:

    "Breastfeeding changes where and how the baby is placed next to the mother, to begin with, and the infant’s arousal patterns, how sensitive the baby and the mother are to each other’s movements and sounds and proximities, as well as the infant’s and the mother’s sleep architecture (how much time each spends in various sleep stages and how and when they move out of one sleep stage into another) are very different between bottle feeding and breastfeeding mother-infant pairs. Not only is the physiology or sensitivity of the mother to the baby, and the baby to the mother completely enhanced if breastfeeding and if routinely bedsharing, i.e. each reacting to each others sounds and movements and touches compared to the bottle or formula fed, bedsharing mothers and infant, but breastfeeding mothers and infants arouse more frequently with respect to each others arousals, and breastfeeding mothers and infants compared with bottle feeding mother-infant pairs spend significantly more time in lighter rather than deeper stages of sleep. Lighter sleep makes it easier for a mother and infant to detect and respond to the presence of the other, making the bed sharing arrangement much safer.

    Breastfeeding mothers typically place their infants under their triceps, mid chest level, and often sleep on their side curling up around the infant protectively with their knees often pulled up under the infant’s feet. This position may be instinctive but it does not happen when a mother bottle feeds her baby. Indeed, bottle fed infants are typically placed much higher up on the bed and near pillows (and sometimes on top of pillows, very dangerous) that can obscure the infants air flow, and expose infants to potential gaps (head board to mattress) into within infants could slip.

    Also, bottle feeding-bedsharing infants move in directions away from the mother, thus, increasing the risks of some kind of asphyxial event, compared with breastfeeding infants, according to the research by Dr. Helen Ball. (Please check out her website at the University of Durham). That is why Dr. Ball and myself agree that bottle fed infants are safer if they sleep alongside their mothers on a different surface but not in the same bed."

    At the end of the day, you need to do what's right for you and your family. And you know yourself and your baby best. :) I just thought, especially after that last comment, that I'd share that resource.
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  • SM2321 said:
    It's all fun and games until you accidentally smother your baby! It is unsafe unless you have them in a cosleeper or bassinet by your bed. Just took care of a baby today who was smothered. Trust me you don't want to be that parent.

    SM2321 said:
    It's all fun and games until you accidentally smother your baby! It is unsafe unless you have them in a cosleeper or bassinet by your bed. Just took care of a baby today who was smothered. Trust me you don't want to be that parent.
    Actually it's not fun and games.  It's a positive, healthy and safe sleeping environment for MY baby because I have taken all the necessary precautions doing so.  In my situation it makes sense, it may not for others.  Please take your judging to another board @SM2321, it's not welcome here.
    This is pretty much what I was going to say! I don't think any of us bedsharers would call it "fun and games". ;)
  • I bedshared and slept as I did when we BFed which is his headvin the crook of my arm near ky chest. You don't need to BF to get proper positioning. It's all about how you position them and sleep in the first place. We just stopped bedsharing since we weren't getting quality sleep anymore. However, it's fine FF and doing it. Just sleep safely and keep formulated near the bed.
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  • I'm not judging I'm just saying each time you do it there is a calculated risk involved. I'm a physician in the ER and have witnessed five cases in this year alone of educated individuals taking all precautions( no drugs/alcohol, not sleeping btwn parents, strictly breastfeeding, no prediagnosed cardiac or respiratory conditions) who ended up with children who now are either dead or have devastating anoxic brain injuries. Just because I offer the other viewpoint doesn't mean I am judging I'm just illustrating the calculated risk.
  • Emerald27 said:
    I'm not judging I'm just saying each time you do it there is a calculated risk involved. I'm a physician in the ER and have witnessed five cases in this year alone of educated individuals taking all precautions( no drugs/alcohol, not sleeping btwn parents, strictly breastfeeding, no prediagnosed cardiac or respiratory conditions) who ended up with children who now are either dead or have devastating anoxic brain injuries. Just because I offer the other viewpoint doesn't mean I am judging I'm just illustrating the calculated risk.
    I don't buy it. A doctor informs and does so well-meaningly. Your comment was completely judgy and fear-mongering, and provided no evidence or resources whatsoever to support your opinion. Coming back with "but I'm a doctor!!!1!" does not gain you credence now. Sorry.
    Especially since she is doing this on two separate posts about the same topic! She even added in what @Emerald27 stated about proper precautions on this thread that she didn't post on the first thread. Fear mongering is not cool, @SM2321... 
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  • I agree that bed sharing has its risks, I also agree that you have to super careful about positioning and that a breast fed baby will likely turn towards the breast more than a formula fed baby, but the idea that a breast feeding mother is more aware of their baby...nope not buying it..I couldn't possibly be more aware of my baby and his arousals and movements...I am very intuned with him.  I breast fed initially and our connection did not end because of FF.
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  • edited November 2013
    I am very well researched and while I take scientific studies into account, I absolutely don't accept them as gospel.    There are plenty of conflicting scientific studies on breastfeeding, global warming, you name it.   Scientific experiments are held under a myriad of diverging circumstances with different research agendas.   Different studies show different results. 

    I personally would not quote a few articles and expect others to accept it as fact.  Of course I would argue with a study...when common sense tells me it wrong.

    I know plenty of breast feeding mothers who are not in sync with their kids, and formula feeding moms who are very in tune with their babies...and vice versa.

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  • Well this just fed into the mommy guilt. Ugh. Thank goodness for my supplements. No wonder PPD is so high.
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    I am very well researched and while I take scientific studies into account, I absolutely don't accept them as gospel.    There are plenty of conflicting scientific studies on breastfeeding, global warming, you name it.   Scientific experiments are held under a myriad of diverging circumstances with different research agendas.   Different studies show different results. 

    I personally would not quote a few articles and expect others to accept it as fact.  Of course I would argue with a study...when common sense tells me it wrong.

    I know plenty of breast feeding mothers who are not in sync with their kids, and formula feeding moms who are very in tune with their babies...and vice versa.

    There is actually a very strong scientific consensus about global warming/climate change.  Its not that science works by any one study saying yes or no and being treated with equal weight.
  • somewhereincali, my point is that there is always scientific debate.   Science is not exempt from becoming politicized and scientific opinion is often a reflection of the culture and historical moment it is situated in.   Ask your moms and grandmothers about how much scientific opinion has shifted since they were mothers.   Breastfeeding, IMO, is politicized, and I think women should stop being ideological about it and respect each other's personal choices.
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  • Just to be clear, I love bedsharing and have no problem with FFing mamas getting in on the snuggles. ;) I just wanted to share the McKenna info. because he is a respected expert on mother and baby sleep patterns, and I'm all about gathering as much info as you can when making decisions. If you're making sure you position baby correctly and are taking all the usual safety precautions, bedsharing is awesome no matter what you feed your kid.

    I'm sorry my comment turned this into a mommy wars thread. I didn't mean for that at all. :(
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  • Emerald27,  no worries...it was the later comment about how you can't argue with science that personally made me feel bad.
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  • mslaurats said:
    Emerald27,  no worries...it was the later comment about how you can't argue with science that personally made me feel bad.
    I think the point was more that your anecdotal evidence of your personal experience isn't scientific research. So, to say that studies are wrong because you experienced something different isn't adequate.

    And, of course there will be exceptions but no matter what you feed LO or where baby is sleeping you need to take steps to ensure safety and the reasons why it's especially true for FFing moms who bedshare, generally speaking.  This has nothing to do with "bashing" FFing moms.


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  • Booger+Bear,  I am going to let this drop after this, but my point was that science is both fallable and malleable.  The scientific community is not single minded and it changes over the course of history and is influenced by politics and culture. It is silly for someone to say that you shouldn't argue with a scientific study.  Of course, you can question a study.   And yes, personal experience and common sense is valid reason to question something.
    There isn't anyone here who doesn't agree you don't have to be careful co-sleeping but I will not accept that breast feeding mothers are more aware of their children in bed.  There are so many other dependencies - the psychological state of the mother, her state of physical health, whether she has addictions, how much time she spends with her child, if she is feeding on demand or on a schedule, which would affect her ability to be in sync besides breastfeeding.
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  • I have my ds in his crib next to the bed after he falls asleep until early morning. If he wakes up between 12 and 4am, I will bring him into bed with me to nurse and fall back to sleep and then I'll move him back to his crib.  After 4am I will let him stay in bed with me until we get up around 5:30-6.  I do it this way because I know me.  I need to be able to fall into a deeper sleep than I am able to with ds in bed with me. If I don't, I have a harder time functioning the next day.  When I get into that deep sleep, dh jokes around that WWIII could happen outside of our bedroom windows and I'd have to read about it in the news the next day.  So for us, I know that bedsharing the full night is not safe so we don't do it. 

     

    FWIW, ds is a mix of bf and ff. One of the things I have noticed is that it is the feeling of ds tugging on my nipples/breast while nursing and his fussing/squirming around looking for the nipple when he's lost it that keeps me from falling into the deep sleep.  With the exception of when he was a new newborn and having issues staying warm, I didn't bedshare while he was exclusively bottle fed because even though I was feeding pumped bm, just his presence wasn't enough to keep me from falling into the deep sleep. 

     

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