May 2014 Moms

tea ingredient information

With my first pregnancy, I couldn't get a definitive answer about whether drinking tea is ok, and the stuff I found on my own was vague, and either overcautious or completely permissive.  (I think that's the right word.  'Drink all the teas!' basically.)  So this time I asked the midwife, with the boxes in tow since I knew I wouldn't remember the ingredients in my head.  The good news is now I know a database I can check at work, because I saw where they looked it up, so I don't have to keep bringing tea in and asking.  The bad news is my favorite tea is on the no-fly list, at least if I listen to the database.  (Probably I will.  Grumble.)

The other good news is that if anyone has a tea they've been leaving alone but really wanting, I can look up the ingredients and copy/paste what the database says for you.

Re: tea ingredient information

  • Now I want tea so badly after reading this:( I drank hot tea morning, noon and night for years and was having all kinds of health issues. I finally found out that I am intolerant to the caffeine.
    Miss it, though.
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  • Mmmm...tea. I drink all the teas. Even the herbal pregnancy ones that contain red raspberry leaf. The only tea ingredient I actively avoid is licorice root, mostly because I think it's nasty, but also because it's legitimately dangerous to the fetus.


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  • I just found out about licorice root today, which is a bummer since it's in some of the interesting flavored teas I wanted to try.  Lemongrass looks like a borderline ingredient, and rooibos said something like "insufficient information, do not use."  That makes me grumbly, that ignorance should automatically equal avoidance, especially since rooibos is the first ingredient in my favorite tea. 
  • I drink chamomile tea. I've heard thats safe.. I'm hoping that's correct. (?)
  • spacepotatoesspacepotatoes member
    edited November 2013
    I just found out about licorice root today, which is a bummer since it's in some of the interesting flavored teas I wanted to try.  Lemongrass looks like a borderline ingredient, and rooibos said something like "insufficient information, do not use."  That makes me grumbly, that ignorance should automatically equal avoidance, especially since rooibos is the first ingredient in my favorite tea. 
    I've been feeling a cold coming on and my go-to is usually Tetley's ginger mint tea with lemongrass. But when I looked at the ingredients list, lemongrass was first. It also has rosehips, which I've read should be avoided, and camomile which I can't seem to find a consensus about.

    I've been missing my Celestial Seasonings fruit zingers too. I keep reading that they should be fine but some of their ingredients are on some no-no lists. Most likely, the CS teas don't contain enough to be harmful but I've still been paranoid.

    For most of the last 2 months, morning sickness has made me want to avoid tea but lately I've been missing it and am stuck not being comfortable with the ones I want most! I just end up going for regular old black tea.

    ETA: I've read that rooibos is ok but don't usually drink it so I'm not sure where I found that info. It was a little while ago.
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  • I've never seen anywhere that rooibos isn't ok.

    I have read chamomile isn't ok. Among some of the other ingredients mentioned like rosehips, lemongrass and hibiscus. I use this link as my main go to but google other questionable ingredients.

    I always wonder though about the amounts in store brand teas vs. a true herbal tea made with just that ingredient when talking about safety. I'm generally in the no risks camp so I'm trying my best to avoid but it really limits the options.
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  • I'd love to see your list.

    I read that Rooibos is ok.  Green/black/etc to limit due to caffeine but otherwise ok.  Although, somewhere else said no Green tea.  Raspberry Iv'e heard to avoid until third tri, but know people who have drank it throughout.  So many contradicting things about teas.  
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  • My Gyny said everything is ok in moderation.is that right?
  • So I had one or two cups of chamomile for about a week when I had the flu real bad 2 wks ago. Doc said it was ok. I put honey on it. It soothed my throat.
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  • knate13 said:
    My Gyny said everything is ok in moderation.is that right?
    Basically. Some things, like alcohol, are usually frowned upon in any amount, but I highly doubt you're going to get much active ingredient of any so-called dangerous herbs in tea. I would still avoid licorice root if possible (again, mostly because I don't like it), but I wouldn't worry about any of the others. Unless you drank several gallons of highly concentrated herbal tea a day.


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  • Green tea apparently inhibits the absorption of folic acid so should be kept to a minimum especially in the 1st trimester- that's what I was told
  • jenb_99 said:
    Mmmm...tea. I drink all the teas. Even the herbal pregnancy ones that contain red raspberry leaf. The only tea ingredient I actively avoid is licorice root, mostly because I think it's nasty, but also because it's legitimately dangerous to the fetus.
    My favorite tea has licorice root in it so this was one of the hardest things for me to give up. I used to chain-drink it all day long at work and really miss it. I've tried other teas but it's just not even close.
  • Do you have a link to the data base. I just pored myself a cup of ginger white tea. I hope one cup won't hurt if it's on the do not drink list.
  • Is this something your OBs/midwives have brought up or something you all have researched on your own. My OB only said steer clear of alcohol drugs and raw meats and eggs. While I have some herbal teas in my pantry I don't drink them regularly. Just curious how this came up for you all.
  • I'd say everything in moderation. Today is the first day I've wanted hot green tea with honey, so by golly, I'm having it. 
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  • Found a link to baby center with the do' sand don'ts on tea. If anyone wants to check it out.

    https://www.babycenter.com/0_herbal-teas-during-pregnancy_3537.bc
  • Miggg said:
    jenb_99 said:
    Mmmm...tea. I drink all the teas. Even the herbal pregnancy ones that contain red raspberry leaf. The only tea ingredient I actively avoid is licorice root, mostly because I think it's nasty, but also because it's legitimately dangerous to the fetus.
    My favorite tea has licorice root in it so this was one of the hardest things for me to give up. I used to chain-drink it all day long at work and really miss it. I've tried other teas but it's just not even close.
    Could you make a reasonable match by combining some of the other ingredients with crushed fennel seed?


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  • jenb_99 said:


    Miggg said:


    jenb_99 said:

    Mmmm...tea. I drink all the teas. Even the herbal pregnancy ones that contain red raspberry leaf. The only tea ingredient I actively avoid is licorice root, mostly because I think it's nasty, but also because it's legitimately dangerous to the fetus.

    My favorite tea has licorice root in it so this was one of the hardest things for me to give up. I used to chain-drink it all day long at work and really miss it. I've tried other teas but it's just not even close.



    Could you make a reasonable match by combining some of the other ingredients with crushed fennel seed?


    I've never tried mixing my own teas before but that's a good idea..
    My midwife me today that licorice root is fine though? Ugh gotta love all the conflicting pregnancy info..
  • I drink chamomile tea. I've heard thats safe.. I'm hoping that's correct. (?)
    According to the database, it's safe for non-pregnant people but they have no information good or bad for pregnant women.  That one is left up to you.  (The database says insufficient information, avoid use, but that seems silly.)
  • sisterjanetsisterjanet member
    edited November 2013
    I just found out about licorice root today, which is a bummer since it's in some of the interesting flavored teas I wanted to try.  Lemongrass looks like a borderline ingredient, and rooibos said something like "insufficient information, do not use."  That makes me grumbly, that ignorance should automatically equal avoidance, especially since rooibos is the first ingredient in my favorite tea. 
    I've been feeling a cold coming on and my go-to is usually Tetley's ginger mint tea with lemongrass. But when I looked at the ingredients list, lemongrass was first. It also has rosehips, which I've read should be avoided, and camomile which I can't seem to find a consensus about.

    I've been missing my Celestial Seasonings fruit zingers too. I keep reading that they should be fine but some of their ingredients are on some no-no lists. Most likely, the CS teas don't contain enough to be harmful but I've still been paranoid.

    For most of the last 2 months, morning sickness has made me want to avoid tea but lately I've been missing it and am stuck not being comfortable with the ones I want most! I just end up going for regular old black tea.

    ETA: I've read that rooibos is ok but don't usually drink it so I'm not sure where I found that info. It was a little while ago.
    This is the copy/paste for lemongrass:
    PREGNANCY: LIKELY UNSAFE ...when used orally. Lemongrass seems to have uterine and menstrual flow stimulating effects (12); avoid using.

    Rosehips they don't have much information but it says:
    PREGNANCY AND LACTATION: Insufficient reliable information available; avoid using in amounts greater than those found in foods.

    Rooibos it says insufficient information; avoid using.  (and then I told my husband and he was like "listen to the database! don't do it!" so now I feel like a baby-hating rebel if I drink my favorite tea.  My husband is such a lawful good.  I would mind more if I hadn't been totally that paranoid with my first pregnancy.)

    To avoid caffeine, and the extra peeing it brings, I've been drinking peppermint tea mostly.
  • @sisterjanet, thanks for checking! Sounds like the ginger mint tea with lemongrass is out but the fruit zingers are most likely ok. Is there any info on hibiscus? That's the only other thing in the zingers I was unsure about.
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  • ecinereb said:
    I've never seen anywhere that rooibos isn't ok.

    I have read chamomile isn't ok. Among some of the other ingredients mentioned like rosehips, lemongrass and hibiscus. I use this link as my main go to but google other questionable ingredients.

    I always wonder though about the amounts in store brand teas vs. a true herbal tea made with just that ingredient when talking about safety. I'm generally in the no risks camp so I'm trying my best to avoid but it really limits the options.
    I work in one of the libraries for my hospital, so I looked over the midwife's shoulder when she was looking up the ingredients in the tea and saw the database.  It's called the Natural Medicine Comprehensive Database.  I'm guessing it's one you need a subscription for, but am not sure.  That baby center link looks pretty good too. 

    The database just said it doesn't have information one way or the other for rooibos in pregnancy and thus recommends not using it.  I had been having a cup a day or so of the Good Earth sweet spicy tea, with rooibos as the first listed ingredient and lemongrass somewhere down in there, so the midwife advised I not drink that one anymore.
  • @sisterjanet, thanks for checking! Sounds like the ginger mint tea with lemongrass is out but the fruit zingers are most likely ok. Is there any info on hibiscus? That's the only other thing in the zingers I was unsure about.
    (I can't get the @ thing to work anymore, alas.) 

    Hibiscus looks like a maybe not.  This is what it says:
    PREGNANCY: POSSIBLY UNSAFE ...when used orally. Hibiscus is thought to be a menstrual stimulant, and might have abortifacient effects (19).
  • Well damn. No fruit zingers for me until next winter. Thanks again, @sisterjanet!
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  • I'd love to see your list.

    I read that Rooibos is ok.  Green/black/etc to limit due to caffeine but otherwise ok.  Although, somewhere else said no Green tea.  Raspberry Iv'e heard to avoid until third tri, but know people who have drank it throughout.  So many contradicting things about teas.  
    Green tea is a whole big pile of info.  In case you didn't know, teratogenic means causing birth defects (which it says green tea looks like it does not, thank goodness)
    PREGNANCY: POSSIBLY SAFE ...when used orally in moderate amounts. Due to the caffeine content of green tea, mothers should closely monitor their intake to ensure moderate consumption. Caffeine crosses the human placenta, but is not considered a teratogen. Fetal blood concentrations of caffeine approximate maternal concentrations (4260). The use of caffeine during pregnancy is controversial; however, moderate consumption, less than 200 mg/day, has not been associated with clinically important adverse fetal effects (2708,2709,2710,2711,9606,11733,16014,16015). However, consuming amounts over 200 mg/day is associated with a significantly increased risk of miscarriage (16014). Advise mothers to keep caffeine consumption below 200 mg/day. This is similar to the amount of caffeine in about 2 cups of tea. Based on animal models, green tea extract catechins are also transferred to the fetus, but in amounts 50-100 times less than maternal concentrations (15010). The potential impact of these catechins on the human fetus is not known, but animal models suggest that the catechins are not teratogenic (15011). POSSIBLY UNSAFE ...when used orally in large amounts. Caffeine from green tea crosses the placenta, producing fetal blood concentrations similar to maternal levels (4260). Consumption of caffeine in amounts over 200 mg/day is associated with a significantly increased risk of miscarriage (16014). Advise mothers to keep caffeine consumption from all sources below 200 mg/day. This is similar to the amount of caffeine in about 2 cups of coffee or tea. High maternal doses of caffeine throughout pregnancy have also resulted in symptoms of caffeine withdrawal in newborn infants (9891). High doses of caffeine have also been associated with spontaneous abortion, premature delivery, and low birth weight (2709,2711). Some research suggests that fetal birth weight is reduced by 28 grams for every 100 mg/day of caffeine consumed during pregnancy. But this is unlikely to be clinically significant except for women consuming more than 600 mg of caffeine daily (9606).
    There is also concern that consuming large amounts of green tea consumption might have antifolate activity and potentially increase the risk of folic acid deficiency-related birth defects. Catechins in green tea inhibit the enzyme dihydrofolate reductase in vitro (15012). This enzyme is responsible for converting folic acid to its active form. Preliminary evidence suggests that increasing maternal tea consumption is associated with increased risk of spina bifida (15068). More evidence is needed to determine the safety of using green tea during pregnancy. For now, advise pregnant women to avoid consuming large quantities of green tea.

    The black tea info looks like the same list as the green tea info: safe in moderate amounts, mostly stay moderate because of the caffeine content.

    This is the thing for red raspberry leaf tea.  (Estrogenic effects means it could stimulate the contraction of smooth muscles, which includes the uterus, which is why it can be a good idea in late pregnancy, especially if you're going over your due date, but the database is really on the side of healthcare supervision with this.) 
    PREGNANCY: LIKELY SAFE ...when used orally in amounts commonly found in foods (13622). POSSIBLY SAFE ...when red raspberry leaf is used orally and appropriately in medicinal amounts during late pregnancy and under the supervision of a healthcare provider. Red raspberry leaf is commonly used by nurse midwives to facilitate delivery. There is some evidence that red raspberry leaf can be safely used for this purpose (6481,9796). Make sure patients do not use red raspberry leaf without the guidance of a healthcare professional. LIKELY UNSAFE ...when used orally in medicinal amounts throughout pregnancy or for self-treatment. Red raspberry leaf might have estrogenic effects (6180). These effects can adversely affect pregnancy. Tell pregnant patients not to use red raspberry leaf at any time during pregnancy without the close supervision of a healthcare provider.

  • sisterjanetsisterjanet member
    edited November 2013
    Miggg said:
    jenb_99 said:
    Mmmm...tea. I drink all the teas. Even the herbal pregnancy ones that contain red raspberry leaf. The only tea ingredient I actively avoid is licorice root, mostly because I think it's nasty, but also because it's legitimately dangerous to the fetus.
    My favorite tea has licorice root in it so this was one of the hardest things for me to give up. I used to chain-drink it all day long at work and really miss it. I've tried other teas but it's just not even close.
    This is what it says about licorice root, in case you were curious.  I'm not sure what steroid effects are, but estrogenic effects means it can make smooth muscles contract, which includes uterus muscles.
    PREGNANCY: UNSAFE ...when used orally. Licorice has abortifacient, estrogenic, and steroid effects; and can cause uterine stimulation. Heavy consumption of licorice, equivalent to 500 mg glycyrrhizic acid per week (about 250 grams of licorice per week), during pregnancy seems to increase the risk of delivering before gestational age of 38 weeks (7619,10618); avoid using.
  • Jillzy86 said:
    Do you have a link to the data base. I just pored myself a cup of ginger white tea. I hope one cup won't hurt if it's on the do not drink list.
    The database is called the Natural Medicines Comprehensive Database.  I found a link, so maybe it's not subscription based after all! 

    I can't find white tea on there, but if white tea is made from white peony, then the jury is still out about whether it's safe or not.  This is what it says:
    PREGNANCY: POSSIBLY UNSAFE ...when used orally. Preliminary research suggests that peony can cause uterine contractions (13400). However, other preliminary research suggests a combination of peony and angelica might be safe (11015). Until more is known, avoid use.

    For ginger, it looks like a good ingredient, but limit it a little late in pregnancy:
    PREGNANCY: POSSIBLY SAFE ...when used orally for medicinal purposes. Using ginger during pregnancy is controversial (1921,7083). There is some concern due to preliminary evidence that ginger might affect fetal sex hormones (7083), and an anecdotal report of spontaneous abortion during week 12 of pregnancy in a patient who used ginger for morning sickness (721). However, studies in pregnant women suggest that ginger can be used safely for morning sickness without harm to the fetus. The risk for major malformations in infants of women taking ginger does not appear to be higher than the baseline rate of 1% to 3% (721,1922,5343,11346,13071,13080). Population research from 1020 women who used ginger during pregnancy, including 466 in the first trimester, did not show any increased risk of congenital malformations, stillbirth, perinatal death, preterm birth, low birth weight, or low apgar scores associated with ginger use (18211). Ginger use was associated with an increase in vaginal bleeding, including spotting, after week 17 of pregnancy, but the association was not significant for severe bleeding episodes. Because ginger can inhibit thromboxane synthesis and platelet aggregation in vitro, there is concern that use close to labor might increase the risk of postpartum hemorrhage (18211).
    As with any medication taken during pregnancy, the potential benefit to risk must be weighed.
  • Is this something your OBs/midwives have brought up or something you all have researched on your own. My OB only said steer clear of alcohol drugs and raw meats and eggs. While I have some herbal teas in my pantry I don't drink them regularly. Just curious how this came up for you all.
    I was really cautious about everything with my first pregnancy, and tried to look up most of the stuff I was doing/consuming to make sure it was ok, since some of the stuff that was listed as not ok seemed weird and completely non-obvious, and my OB couldn't tell me one way or the other last time.  I don't like coffee unless it's something like coffee ice cream, but I love tea.  I was mostly just curious if the midwives would know where the OB didn't, and they actually had that database. 
  • Miggg said:
    jenb_99 said:
    Mmmm...tea. I drink all the teas. Even the herbal pregnancy ones that contain red raspberry leaf. The only tea ingredient I actively avoid is licorice root, mostly because I think it's nasty, but also because it's legitimately dangerous to the fetus.
    My favorite tea has licorice root in it so this was one of the hardest things for me to give up. I used to chain-drink it all day long at work and really miss it. I've tried other teas but it's just not even close.
    This is what it says about licorice root, in case you were curious.  I'm not sure what steroid effects are, but estrogenic effects means it can make smooth muscles contract, which includes uterus muscles.
    PREGNANCY: UNSAFE ...when used orally. Licorice has abortifacient, estrogenic, and steroid effects; and can cause uterine stimulation. Heavy consumption of licorice, equivalent to 500 mg glycyrrhizic acid per week (about 250 grams of licorice per week), during pregnancy seems to increase the risk of delivering before gestational age of 38 weeks (7619,10618); avoid using.


    Gahh this is so confusing, when I asked my midwife today she told me that teas with licorice root are fine. She also said that red raspberry leaf teas are fine too as long as you're not drinking 10 cups a day. Reading that scary info though.. don't think I could even enjoy it!

     

    I've never mixed my own tea but maybe I should give that a try..

  • Miggg said:
    Miggg said:
    jenb_99 said:
    Mmmm...tea. I drink all the teas. Even the herbal pregnancy ones that contain red raspberry leaf. The only tea ingredient I actively avoid is licorice root, mostly because I think it's nasty, but also because it's legitimately dangerous to the fetus.
    My favorite tea has licorice root in it so this was one of the hardest things for me to give up. I used to chain-drink it all day long at work and really miss it. I've tried other teas but it's just not even close.
    This is what it says about licorice root, in case you were curious.  I'm not sure what steroid effects are, but estrogenic effects means it can make smooth muscles contract, which includes uterus muscles.
    PREGNANCY: UNSAFE ...when used orally. Licorice has abortifacient, estrogenic, and steroid effects; and can cause uterine stimulation. Heavy consumption of licorice, equivalent to 500 mg glycyrrhizic acid per week (about 250 grams of licorice per week), during pregnancy seems to increase the risk of delivering before gestational age of 38 weeks (7619,10618); avoid using.


    Gahh this is so confusing, when I asked my midwife today she told me that teas with licorice root are fine. She also said that red raspberry leaf teas are fine too as long as you're not drinking 10 cups a day. Reading that scary info though.. don't think I could even enjoy it!

     

    I've never mixed my own tea but maybe I should give that a try..

    Actually I don't worry about herbs that supposedly cause contractions. The problem with licorice root seems to be related more to the baby's IQ and behavior.

    But still...it's likely impossible to get a harmful dose of licorice root extract from tea alone. The quoted figure is 100 mg/day of pure licorice. I doubt any herbal tea contains even the tiniest fraction of that.

    https://www.babymed.com/blogs/jaclyn-stewart/study-shows-pregnant-women-should-avoid-licorice

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091006093349.htm


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  • sisterjanetsisterjanet member
    edited November 2013

    jenb_99 said:
    Actually I don't worry about herbs that supposedly cause contractions. The problem with licorice root seems to be related more to the baby's IQ and behavior.

    But still...it's likely impossible to get a harmful dose of licorice root extract from tea alone. The quoted figure is 100 mg/day of pure licorice. I doubt any herbal tea contains even the tiniest fraction of that.

    https://www.babymed.com/blogs/jaclyn-stewart/study-shows-pregnant-women-should-avoid-licorice

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091006093349.htm

    The only part of that I disagree with in those articles is that there is actual licorice in red Twizzlers.  There's just no way.  It tastes like red sugar, not like licorice.  (Do they make black Twizzlers?)
  • Ugh my favorite tea Sweet & Spicy by Good Earth seems to have multiple ingridents that pregnant women are suggested to avoid. Boo.

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  • hfooter said:
    Ugh my favorite tea Sweet & Spicy by Good Earth seems to have multiple ingridents that pregnant women are suggested to avoid. Boo.
    I know, that's my favorite too.  I've been trying to convince myself peppermint is my favorite instead for the duration. 
  • What about nettles? I keep hearing conflicting information. My DH just bought me yogi Mother to be tea...has red ras lead and nettles. I assume that is safe based on it being a pregnancy tea??







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  • Hooper88 said:
    What about nettles? I keep hearing conflicting information. My DH just bought me yogi Mother to be tea...has red ras lead and nettles. I assume that is safe based on it being a pregnancy tea??
    Ok, it looks like the full features only work if you subscribe to the database so I'll try to remember to check nettles at work tonight.  Red raspberry leaf, I can't remember exactly but the midwife said it has the potential to start labor.  I can't remember if she said an amount of tea that does that or what, but she said definitely stay away from that.  (I know some of the ladies on the natural birth board swear by it and drink it the whole time, so maybe in moderation it's fine, but for me I'm staying away from that one unless I'm going past my due date again.)  I think I copied and pasted out what the database said about the red raspberry somewhere on here also.
  • sisterjanetsisterjanet member
    edited November 2013
    @hooper88

    This is what the database said about nettles:
    PREGNANCY: LIKELY UNSAFE ...when used orally due to possible abortifacient and uterine-stimulant effects (4,6,19).

    and this is red raspberry leaf:
    PREGNANCY: LIKELY SAFE ...when used orally in amounts commonly found in foods (13622). POSSIBLY SAFE ...when red raspberry leaf is used orally and appropriately in medicinal amounts during late pregnancy and under the supervision of a healthcare provider. Red raspberry leaf is commonly used by nurse midwives to facilitate delivery. There is some evidence that red raspberry leaf can be safely used for this purpose (6481,9796). Make sure patients do not use red raspberry leaf without the guidance of a healthcare professional. LIKELY UNSAFE ...when used orally in medicinal amounts throughout pregnancy or for self-treatment. Red raspberry leaf might have estrogenic effects (6180). These effects can adversely affect pregnancy. Tell pregnant patients not to use red raspberry leaf at any time during pregnancy without the close supervision of a healthcare provider.

    ETA: I wouldn't assume any alternative medicine thing is a good idea necessarily, since I've seen a lot of articles and a review of a book all demonstrating that mostly the stuff is harmless and ineffective at best, but that's just me.
  • What about chai? Anyone drink chai? I love it myself and I'm sure I don't drink enough to do anything but I'm curious. I've read very mixed reviews online.
  • What about chai? Anyone drink chai? I love it myself and I'm sure I don't drink enough to do anything but I'm curious. I've read very mixed reviews online.
    I looked that up a while back too and everything I've found said it was fine, at least the grocery store stuff. If you're making your own, I think that may be a different story. The grocery store stuff should be fine, though. Especially since 3/4 of it is just milk if you follow the brewing instructions. While I could still tolerate it, dark chocolate chai was a good friend of mine early in this pregnancy.
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