Signs of Autism as early may show up as early as 1 month

DTNZ4Ever · November 2013

Study: Signs of autism may show up as early as first month
https://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/06/study-signs-of-autism-may-show-up-as-early-as-first-month/

YankeePeach08 · November 2013

I can't help myself, it's been too quiet here...how could signs show up before any vaccines have been given???? ETA: should have read the article first, they mentioned that.

avigailandcharlie · November 2013

Thanks for posting this!! I used to be in the field and I remember seeing advertisements for this study several years ago, looking for siblings at Emory!!! Crazy the results. I really hope the study is replicated and more research is put to it.

DTNZ4Ever · November 2013

avigailandcharlie said:
Thanks for posting this!! I used to be in the field and I remember seeing advertisements for this study several years ago, looking for siblings at Emory!!! Crazy the results. I really hope the study is replicated and more research is put to it.

I work with adults with intellectual disabilities including autism. So I'm always interested in research other then the vaccine debate. Since I know older adults who should have an autism diagnosis but don't because the diagnosis didn't exsist when they were children and they received a lot less vaccines and clearly have symptoms of autism.

avigailandcharlie · November 2013

Oh my gosh, i SWEAR my ex bf would have been diagnosed as aspergers if he was a kid nowadays. When I say that people laugh but I am not being mean or ironic, I am dead serious. My dad is Israeli and has an Israeli satelite channel and about a year ago there was a story about a center in Israel that did early intervention for kids as early as 9 months, and a center that started treating it. They had some American clients who weren't being taken seriously yet in the US. I don't remember the name of the center but it was pretty cool. I can ask my dad if he can look it up and I'll post it.

Excitedmum35 · November 2013

I haven't read the article but my sister is a scientist and works specifically on autism. Her eldest is also severely autistic himself. She is VERY verbal (to the point where she has been in documentaries) about there being NO scientific link to immunisations and autism. Seriously- it just isn't there! It's just that ppl want something to blame and quite often symptoms are noticed around that time.
My mum swears that when she went to visit my nephew at 6wks (my sister and BIL lived in Paris at the time) that he was different to all other babies she had seen (she had five if her own and already had two grandchildren).
I urge u to actually research the immunisation/autism claims before u decide it has an effect.
Trust me if there was any scientific link there's no way my sister would have immunised her second child (who is fine).

ewill2586 · November 2013

My younger brother is autistic and it was very apparent, very early that he had an issue. He didn't want to be held or touched or soothed. He just cried all the time and it started when he was a newborn. He didn't like any physical contact at all. Doctors were very dismissive at first but my parents persisted that there was something wrong. His issues were apparent from the beginning of his life, well before any immunizations. I urge anyone who feels like there may be something to be concerned about to continue to fight. Don't let anyone make you feel like you're being rediculous. No one knows your child better than you.

avigailandcharlie · November 2013

@ewill2586 and @excitedmum35 - I agree with both of you. Did I miss something where someone tried to link autism to vaccines on this board recently? I think most of us pro vaccinations and don't believe the myth about a link to autism. The article doesn't really talk about vaccines, the only line about them is that it's a good sign because it further disproves some peoples suspicions of a link between a vaccine (mmr) given at 12 months when there are signs at 1-2 month phase.

ewill2586 · November 2013

@avigailandcharlie I haven't seen anything on the board about the linking vaccines to autism. I was agreeing with excitedmum35. I did see awhile ago (maybe 1-2 years ago) where the doctor that was stating there was a link between vaccines and autism grossly falsified data and had such a limited focus group (15 I believe) that the results were highly skewed and just outright false. I don't have the exact information about it but was trying to go from memory. Like I said that was quite awhile ago, so I could be very wrong. I worked with adults with autism when I was a group home manager, as well as the expieriences with my brother growing up just makes me want to encourage people to fight for their loved ones. Get as much help as you can, find as much support and resources as you can! The earlier the better! It can make such a difference! And having the emotional support from other parents with children with autism is such an incredible affirmation and such a great resource of information. I can't say enough about advocacy for your children. My brother will never be "normal". But with the resources my parents found and utilized, he was able to graduate from regular high school curriculum(not special ed). And when he was so young it was a struggle not to have him gouging you in the grocery store because the noise of he fluorescent lights were so over stimulating. I feel like I've been on a soapbox long enough, it's just nice for parents going through a struggle like this to know they aren't alone.

ewill2586 · November 2013

Also just glad to see some validation for my mom all these years later. She was the one that pushed the doctors and made that fight. She fought until my brother was finally diagnosed at 4. From newborn to 4 years old she was fighting for him and fightin for answers. How incredible mothers (and fathers) are! Ok, I admit that I am very tired and have been rambling and am probably not making any sense, but I love this thread and how knowledgeable everyone is!

Excitedmum35 · November 2013

I was just responding to @yankeepeach who I now realise i think was bring a smartass!!! Clearly I have pregnant brain! He he embarrassing!!!
But yeah- It's a sore spot in our family the vaccination/autism debate. It sucks when ppl blindly believe stuff and don't understand scientific evidence.

avigailandcharlie · November 2013

Ahhhh, loving this thread. I had clients that were so adamant about vaccines causing autism and they show me home videos of their kids "before" and their kids clearly displayed red flags in these home videos. As a 24 year old, it wasn't my place to argue with them (not would it be now at 28 actually). But it just became a very important issue to me. I worked with. Rey young clients and today, two of them are virtually indistinguishable from their peers. Both started aba at 2 years old. And almost all other clients made significant improvements in speech etc that. If you can start them at 18 months, even better. It's intense and expensive, but it's cheaper than paying for support their entire lives.

avigailandcharlie · November 2013

@ewill2586, that doctor was disbarred! Or whatever it's called. It's early here lol. @excitedmum35, yes, sarcastic on their part, no need to be embarrassed, I see how that easily could have been misread. Maybe we need a sarcasm font.

ntdane · November 2013

This is an article a friend of my husband posted today: https://www.realfarmacy.com/the-healthiest-children-in-the-future-will-be-unvaccinated/?fb_ref=widget

I just don't understand how you can believe an article like this.

katykatykaty · November 2013

ntdane said:

This is an article a friend of my husband posted today: https://www.realfarmacy.com/the-healthiest-children-in-the-future-will-be-unvaccinated/?fb_ref=widget I just don't understand how you can believe an article like this.

This is my favorite part of that ridiculous article...

According to historical charts, graphs and two centuries of official statistics, we know that vaccines have never prevented any diseases and are in now way responsible for improving life expectancy and survival from disease in western economies. In North America, Europe, and the South Pacific, major declines in life-threatening infectious diseases occurred historically either without, or far in advance of public vaccination efforts for specific diseases.

katykatykaty · November 2013

I lied... THIS is my favorite part of the article. Vaccines cause herpes... who knew?!

KIGGS showed that 12.8% of the children in Germany had herpes and 11% suffer from otitis media (an inflammation of the middle ear). If you compare this to unvaccinated childen you can see that herpes among unvaccinated children is very rare (less than 0.5%).

lalaith50 · November 2013

katykatykaty said:

I lied... THIS is my favorite part of the article. Vaccines cause herpes... who knew?!
KIGGS showed that 12.8% of the children in Germany had herpes and 11% suffer from otitis media (an inflammation of the middle ear). If you compare this to unvaccinated childen you can see that herpes among unvaccinated children is very rare (less than 0.5%).

well, everyone knows that correlation = causation, duh!

;-)

ntdane · November 2013

I know!! So many things are huge red flags that I don't understand how you can take any of it seriously.

avigailandcharlie · November 2013

katykatykaty said:

I lied... THIS is my favorite part of the article. Vaccines cause herpes... who knew?!
KIGGS showed that 12.8% of the children in Germany had herpes and 11% suffer from otitis media (an inflammation of the middle ear). If you compare this to unvaccinated childen you can see that herpes among unvaccinated children is very rare (less than 0.5%).

Ugh, I just....can't. Can we start a funny thread to cheer me up? Like a "thanks obama" thread? I'll start:

ewill2586 · November 2013

Yep, polio wasn't an epidemic or anything...

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