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SA Update//MFI Experts Needed

So I posted last week about DH's SA. Here's my update:

The nurse on the phone said they were normal. I requested a copy of the SA. They did a "basic semen analysis". It was totally different from the one he had done 2 years ago (different place did it) and I wasn't happy with it b/c it was very hard to read the results. The report gave his semen a grade of "B" which is sluggish progressive motility. There was a handwritten note that said, "low morphology but overall a normal SA".  His morphology was 0% with the "normal" being >8%Strict C. Now I don't really know what that means b/c as I said, the other report explained everything and this was shit. But I don't see how anything that's 0% when it should be over 8% is good?? If I am not KU this cycle, we will be going to see an RE. We will be going to the one who did his SA 2 years ago, as it is a woman and they also utilize fertility yoga (already do this when I have time) and acupuncture, which I would like to give a try.  His morphology from the other report was like 34% or something, but clearly their norms are different and they didn't use letter grades on the report.

Does anyone have any experience with this type of SA?


BFP #1 ended in MMC. Discovered Oct 2005 @10w5d, baby stopped growing around 6w. D&C.
BFP#2 Nov 2005. Baby's heart stopped @ 8w3d. D&C Jan 2006. Trisomy 18
BFP#3 Nov 2006. My "miracle baby" DD born 7/25/07
BFP #4 11/6/12. EDD 7/16/13~my birthday! No sac found @ 5w1d, betas not increasing. Natural m/c started 11/20/12.

BFP#5 11/9/13.  EDD 7/21/14  Our beautiful rainbow born on his due date!!

Re: SA Update//MFI Experts Needed

  • I would read that as everything but morphology being in the normal range.  

    DH's morphology was at 5% and we were told more than 4% is "normal" under strict Krueger.  DH also had sluggish progressive motility.  His overall motility was 37%.  35% of that was sluggish.  

    I would see if the RE will rerun the SA.
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  • @uagirl Thank you. it was 5 days of abstinence, which I think is a bit long...his overall motility was 45% I think, not sure which of that was sluggish. I will have to look at the report again. It was not detailed at all. It didn't even say total sperm count..it said sperm concentration which I am assuming is the same?


    BFP #1 ended in MMC. Discovered Oct 2005 @10w5d, baby stopped growing around 6w. D&C.
    BFP#2 Nov 2005. Baby's heart stopped @ 8w3d. D&C Jan 2006. Trisomy 18
    BFP#3 Nov 2006. My "miracle baby" DD born 7/25/07
    BFP #4 11/6/12. EDD 7/16/13~my birthday! No sac found @ 5w1d, betas not increasing. Natural m/c started 11/20/12.

    BFP#5 11/9/13.  EDD 7/21/14  Our beautiful rainbow born on his due date!!

  • DH's instruction sheet said at least 3 days abstinence, but no more than 5.    I never got an actual paper copy of the report, only had the nurse read it to me over the phone.  It was sent to the urologist from there.  I didn't get a total count, but I think what I was given was a concentration.  It was told to me as 56 mil per mL.  
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    dx MFI 10/2013
    Surprise BFP 11/6/2013  EDD 7/19/2014
    Beta #1 15 dpo HCG 355 Prog 30.9
    Beta #2 22 dpo HCG 8147 Prog 18.8
    Beta #3 29 dpo HCG 44580 Prog 29.8

  • Yeah, that's what his said too. He was only 29 mil per ML I think...I will have to read it again. I know it was definitely less than his last SA, which I was expecting since he is 2 years older now.


    BFP #1 ended in MMC. Discovered Oct 2005 @10w5d, baby stopped growing around 6w. D&C.
    BFP#2 Nov 2005. Baby's heart stopped @ 8w3d. D&C Jan 2006. Trisomy 18
    BFP#3 Nov 2006. My "miracle baby" DD born 7/25/07
    BFP #4 11/6/12. EDD 7/16/13~my birthday! No sac found @ 5w1d, betas not increasing. Natural m/c started 11/20/12.

    BFP#5 11/9/13.  EDD 7/21/14  Our beautiful rainbow born on his due date!!

  • @Amores0121 do not lose hope!

    My DH's #s are:

    Motility: 32% (50-100 normal)

    Morphology 0-4 %

    Density 15.0 (I'm not sure what this is but the paper I have says its low)

    Sperm count : 52.5 million/mL

    Total LIVE sperm 16.8 million/mL (I think the cut off for normal is 20)

    I wish I new his numbers for now (those are from 2008) but I just wanted to let you know it can totally happen and I eastern and western medicine combined is a great plan.

    Best of luck to you! PM me if you have any questions!
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    Me: 27 DH: 33
    Married 6 years
    Conceived DS after 4 years of MFI

    TTC # 2 (not trying,not preventing ever)
    May 2013 - August 2013 Timed Intercourse = BFN
    September 2013 Timed Intercourse, Weekly Acupuncture, Herbs=BFN
    October 2013 Timed Intercourse, Weekly Acupuncture, Herbs, and "warming foods" = BFP
    Beta #1 19, Beta #2 18 Progesterone 4.6 Miscarried 11/9/13
    November 2013 - Benched, waiting for first post-loss AF.
    No longer benched per New RE/OB!
    Jan. 15 2014 - BFP. HCG 3900 - Ectopic :( 
    Jan. 16 2014 Left tube removed and D&C
    March 2, 2014 First AF


  • Oh and when we did IUIs post wash count was only 3 million of his *best* swimmers.
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    Me: 27 DH: 33
    Married 6 years
    Conceived DS after 4 years of MFI

    TTC # 2 (not trying,not preventing ever)
    May 2013 - August 2013 Timed Intercourse = BFN
    September 2013 Timed Intercourse, Weekly Acupuncture, Herbs=BFN
    October 2013 Timed Intercourse, Weekly Acupuncture, Herbs, and "warming foods" = BFP
    Beta #1 19, Beta #2 18 Progesterone 4.6 Miscarried 11/9/13
    November 2013 - Benched, waiting for first post-loss AF.
    No longer benched per New RE/OB!
    Jan. 15 2014 - BFP. HCG 3900 - Ectopic :( 
    Jan. 16 2014 Left tube removed and D&C
    March 2, 2014 First AF


  • @KC1212 Thanks!! :) I probably will once we get the ball rolling with the RE.


    BFP #1 ended in MMC. Discovered Oct 2005 @10w5d, baby stopped growing around 6w. D&C.
    BFP#2 Nov 2005. Baby's heart stopped @ 8w3d. D&C Jan 2006. Trisomy 18
    BFP#3 Nov 2006. My "miracle baby" DD born 7/25/07
    BFP #4 11/6/12. EDD 7/16/13~my birthday! No sac found @ 5w1d, betas not increasing. Natural m/c started 11/20/12.

    BFP#5 11/9/13.  EDD 7/21/14  Our beautiful rainbow born on his due date!!

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