Babies: 6 - 9 Months

Night issues

Ok I've got a whole slew of things going on that need to be worked on. Keep in mind he's 5.5 months.

1) ditching the swaddle. He still sleeps in a woombie. He CAN sometimes sleep without it but its rare. If he's really fussing, it helps keep his arms from flailing everywhere. He's a solid 22 lbs and my back hurts if he struggles too much

2) getting him to sleep in his room. He still sleeps in a Moses basket in our room. He has no issues sleeping in the crib, but I'm not comfortable putting him in his crib while still swaddled incase he rolls over. He likes to sleep on his side. He has woken up during naps and gone on his tummy. The woombie is stretchy enough that he can pull himself up on his arms

3) the past month or so he's been waking up every 2 hours. I usually just pop him on the boob out of habit because I'm too tired to figure out what else to do and quite frankly, it gets us back to sleep in 10 mins. The thing is, he just holds the nipple in his mouth and pacifies himself. But he won't take an actual soother.

4) sometimes when I put him back down his eyes will stay closed but he'll cry and thrash his body around. This usually results in either me or my H holding him for a bit until he's totally asleep

5) bedtimes can be rough. Some nights he won't go down til 9-10. His normal bedtime is 7-8. He naps for a total of 4 hrs/day. Please don't tell me to bathe/story/feed/bed because it just doesn't work for us.

I feel like I've got him into this habit and I don't know what to do to fix it. The end goal is to have him sleep unswaddled in his crib with at LEAST a 4 hr stretch instead of waking every 2 hrs. I'm EXHAUSTED!!!

Re: Night issues

  • Well, he's already sleeping badly so...just ditch the swaddle and put him in the crib.  You have too many things that need to be worked on to just phase them out.

    The "boob in the mouth" seems like it's definitely a sleep prop for him and when he's waking up he's needing the boob to go back to sleep.  Since he's napping 4 hours a day, it definitely doesn't sound like an over tired thing, unless the last nap is like 4 hours before he goes down. Not sure what your goal is...for a CIO, i'd recommend Ferber, and for non-CIO i would say check out the "no cry sleep solution". I don't have any specific things to tell you, thought, i haven't been through this personally. 
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  • I can relate to all but #2 (DD slept in the crib starting at 10 days). We were all pretty miserable at night. We finally decided we had no choice but to sleep train. We did CIO and I feel like we got our lives back. DD is so much happier now that she is sleeping better.
  • VPGIRL06 said:

    Well, he's already sleeping badly so...just ditch the swaddle and put him in the crib.  You have too many things that need to be worked on to just phase them out.


    The "boob in the mouth" seems like it's definitely a sleep prop for him and when he's waking up he's needing the boob to go back to sleep.  Since he's napping 4 hours a day, it definitely doesn't sound like an over tired thing, unless the last nap is like 4 hours before he goes down. Not sure what your goal is...for a CIO, i'd recommend Ferber, and for non-CIO i would say check out the "no cry sleep solution". I don't have any specific things to tell you, thought, i haven't been through this personally. 
    But he just flails without a swaddle. Do we just let him cry it out until he passes out??

    He won't take a soother so I dunno how to help him go back to sleep without the boob.


  • Also.. What's up with the waking up screaming??? Eyes still closed.
  • I'm so mad. I feel like I've screwed everything up
  • I'd recommend putting him in his crib, un swaddled, on his belly. Letting mine sleep on his stomach made a huge difference. Can he roll over yet? That's when I let mine. I was too nervous to let him before he could.
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  • I'd recommend putting him in his crib, un swaddled, on his belly. Letting mine sleep on his stomach made a huge difference. Can he roll over yet? That's when I let mine. I was too nervous to let him before he could.

    Yes, he can roll over. Without a swaddle he flails. And if he goes on his tummy he goes into a crawling position
  • I feel your pain. We too have sleep issues - mainly boob dependency for MOTN wakings.

    I think it's worth a try to put him in his crib unswaddled. Try for 3 nights at least. He may just need to get used to having his arms free and maybe will start to use them for self soothing. Give him a small lovey. We did this with DD around 4.5 months and it went better than we thought.

    Also napping 4 hrs a day at that age is a lot. What time does he wake in the morning? You maybe will solve bedtime troubles with shifting an hour or so to his night time sleep. Healthy Sleep Habits Happy Child suggests waking a baby ONLY to preserve the next nap or bedtime and Ferber mentions shifting nighttime sleep to daytime or vice versa if needed.

    That's all I've got.

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  • I'd recommend putting him in his crib, un swaddled, on his belly. Letting mine sleep on his stomach made a huge difference. Can he roll over yet? That's when I let mine. I was too nervous to let him before he could.
    Yes, he can roll over. Without a swaddle he flails. And if he goes on his tummy he goes into a crawling position

    can he actually crawl yet or is he just rocking on all fours? that pissed my DD off to no end for awhile. we had her in the sleep suit though so by the time she was strong enough to roll in that thing 
    (which she did eventually. beast baby girl) she was crawling.

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  • Well, he's already sleeping badly so...just ditch the swaddle and put him in the crib.  You have too many things that need to be worked on to just phase them out.

    The "boob in the mouth" seems like it's definitely a sleep prop for him and when he's waking up he's needing the boob to go back to sleep.  Since he's napping 4 hours a day, it definitely doesn't sound like an over tired thing, unless the last nap is like 4 hours before he goes down. Not sure what your goal is...for a CIO, i'd recommend Ferber, and for non-CIO i would say check out the "no cry sleep solution". I don't have any specific things to tell you, thought, i haven't been through this personally. 
    But he just flails without a swaddle. Do we just let him cry it out until he passes out?? He won't take a soother so I dunno how to help him go back to sleep without the boob.
    Im not sure. Honestly, our DD rolled in the swaddle at 3.5months and i had order the magic sleep suit in anticipation, so we had that. She did really well with it, it was heavy enough that it kind of just weighed her hands down and she couldn't hit herself.  She was in that for 2-2.5 months until she rolled in the sleep suit and now its jammies and a sac. At some point she got used to her arms
     
    im not sure about the soother either, DD never has had a pacifier-she found her thumb pretty early.  the lovey seems to do some soothing for her, she stuffs it in her mouth and chews on it and grabs onto it.  Like i said, i think there are quite a few resources that deal with sleep props (healthy sleep habits is one, no cry sleep solution, ferber, etc) and helping to sleep...GL!


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  • He can't crawl with his arms going forward.. He gets up in his knees and throws his body forwards.

    If he doesn't nap during the day, he gets extremely fussy. I put him down every 2 hrs and he takes 3 naps. Everything I've read said babies this age should be napping a total of 4 hrs/day. His first 2 naps are about 45 mins & 3rd is 3 hrs. I don't think the naps are contributing to his every 2 hr wake up at night. I think he's just doing it out if habit now
  • That's what my DD did, still ticked her off until she finally got the hang out it.  4 hours seems right-we're at 3-4 hours a day spread between 2naps. It does sound like a sleep association with the boob more than anything
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  • Ok, so tonight so far he was in his crib for 3 hrs. The last hr he was unswaddled but he woke up & I don't know how to get him back to sleep. He cries on his back & then just rolls over onto all 4s... I think this may be a long night
  • Mission failed, try again tomorrow
  • I'm reading the No Cry Sleep Solution right now, and I would recommend it - I am not a fan of CIO.  It has a lot of different techniques for different issues, I like that you can pick and choose what may work for you.  Good luck!
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  • I'm reading the No Cry Sleep Solution right now, and I would recommend it - I am not a fan of CIO.  It has a lot of different techniques for different issues, I like that you can pick and choose what may work for you.  Good luck!

    I'm reading this right now too. I haven't tried anything yet but I too am at my wits end with my lo at night.

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  • Have you tried the convertible Woombie with the arm holes?  That's how we got our daughter out of the swaddle - one arm at a time.
    Your sleep issues sound so, so, normal and familiar.  We went through a really rough patch when DD was about the same age.  I read the No Cry Sleep Solution as well, and although I didn't implement any of the techniques, it just made me feel really validated and empowered.  Just know that you don't have to sleep train/CIO or anything else if you don't feel that it's right for you.
  • No, have not tried that kind of woombie. Not sure if it will help but I'll think about it.

    so this is what I've been doing lately... putting him in his crib in his own room and then undoing the swaddle after he's been sleeping. The first night he did 40 mins no swaddle, but then woke up and could not get back to sleep so I had to reswaddle and bring him back to our room in his moses basket. Second night (last night) he slept for 3 hours on his tummy (I watch him on the monitor and I went in there to make sure he wasn't face down and could breathe). I undid the swaddle, but ended up waking him in process from the movement and then he couldn't settle so I swaddled him and brought him back to our room in his basket again. Night 3 is tonight.. we'll see how it goes.. it'll be a process...
  • Damnit I jinxed myself!! Tonight has not been good. It's 1am & I have not gone to bed yet :( he's awake and not sleeping.
  • :(:( sorry momma.  it does sound like you're kind of "bouncing around" to see what works, which is almost counter intuitive with ANY sleep training. consistency is usually you're friend ......
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  • VPGIRL06 said:

    :(:( sorry momma.  it does sound like you're kind of "bouncing around" to see what works, which is almost counter intuitive with ANY sleep training. consistency is usually you're friend ......

    I agree, I just don't know which method to try. I'm currently sitting in the dark in his room and he is sleeping on me unswaddled. Now I gotta figure out how to put him in the crib without waking up
  • how long do we let him cry before swaddling him again? he's currently crying while my H is trying to console him...
  • @lisa I mean if your looking for a CIO method, I'd ferber it. Have him unswaddled, and do the comfort checks. I don't really know the correct amount of time for crying before you ditch it, but I know some people post up to 45 minutes of crying.  Do you have a sleep sack? My DD STILL loves to be kind of "cuddled" when she sleeps, so we put her in fleece comfy PJS and a sleep sack. We also give her a "love", done of those blanket head things.  Maybe during bedtime he could get that when he's crying?  He might start to associate it with comfort

    I agree with PP...do what seems right for your baby. It's hard, and i'm sorry you're going through this.  
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