Hot button topic...vaccinations.

ddembinska · September 2013

I see SO much debate on this topic. I feel that every parent has a right to raise their child how they feel. I personally delayed vaccinating, and I only gave what I felt he needed. I think the flu shot and chicken pox vaccines are a joke. But the parents who give all shots by the book make other people feel like neglectful parents! It's kind of annoying. I do extensive research on whatever i expose my kid to, so i believe in how I raise him. He hasn't a vaccine in a pretty long time, and that's how I want it. I just wish parents, Moms in particular, would stop jumping down eachothers throats about it! It's pretty much as bad as the circ debate.

CurlieWhirlie · September 2013

I'm going to stick my nose in, even though I'm totally lurking on this board (I'm on the cusp between 1st/2nd tri).

This is a *very* nuanced issue. Vaccinations are SUPER important for *some* diseases. Rubella. Polio. Etc.

I personally agree with you about chicken pox (prior to age 10) and flu shots being unnecessary. We also delayed Hep B because the risk depending on what part of the world you live in/exposure/etc. is very low. I say "delayed" because I do believe my son should have these particular vaccines. Just not until he's a teenager.

There's a big difference between delaying some vaccines, spreading out shots (4 visits instead of 4 shots in one visit), and not doing vaccines at all. Therein lies the nuance. When I say "delay", a lot of people assume I mean "vaccines bad!!" Which of course isn't true at all.

So having an opinion on this subject, doing research, talking with your pediatrician, those are all great things we should all do. What we should *not* do, is assume or jump to conclusions when someone else speaks their opinion out loud, but instead ask questions, listen, attempt to understand, and give our own opinions in response.

Soap1 · September 2013

If you've ever had chicken pox, you're at risk for developing shingles later in life. Shingles is a really big deal. So, the chicken pox vaccine is definitely not a "joke." Nor is the flu vaccine. The flu KILLS babies. Why wouldn't you take what precautions you can?

I have no idea why you brought this up, but science and evidence based medicine consistently shows that vaccine risks are negligible compared to complications from the diseases they prevent.

ETA: And it is NOTHING like the circumcision debate. Evidence for and against circumcision is preliminary and not very persuasive in either direction. Evidence for vaccines is very clear.

zou bisou · September 2013

It's not really a big topic for debate here in that most are very pro-vax and point out the flawed and sometimes very strange sources of info that anti-vaxers cling to. You'd get less outrage from other parents if diseases that you decide not to vaccinate for didn't have the potential to infect your kid and then other's children. In this debate, your choices affect more than just you and your family. So it's hard to feel too much sympathy for you.

Soap1 · September 2013

zou bisou said:

It's not really a big topic for debate here in that most are very pro-vax and point out the flawed and sometimes very strange sources of info that anti-vaxers cling to. You'd get less outrage from other parents if diseases that you decide not to vaccinate for didn't have the potential to infect your kid and then other's children. In this debate, your choices affect more than just you and your family. So it's hard to feel too much sympathy for you.

Totally agree. Another reason why this is nothing like the circumcision debate. Your decision to circumcise or not circumcise doesn't put my child at risk for a deadly disease.

TsengAkera · September 2013

I guess I am one of the rare people on this website that also plan on spacing them out. Most of them there is no reason for them to be gotten so young. The chicken pox is one I won't give them since the vaccine is only a temporary thing and getting the disease naturally gives you a life long immunity. Yes you can get shingles from chickenpox but it only takes a little bit of research to learn shingles is caused by the virus reawakening in the body which is almost always caused to the weakening of the immune system either due to stress or age (note why most Shingles patients are elderly) I got the chicken pox naturally, my husband got them naturally.. hell both our families have gotten them naturally and now other than possible shingles in our future we don't have to worry about contracting the disease as adults which is many times worse than contracting it as a child. Which with the vaccine you can still contract the disease it's not full proof.

Hep B, that one can wait a while as the only way to contract hep B is through direct contact with bodily fluid and or blood. I don't plan on my infant having sex or sucking on somebody's bloody finger that has hep B.

TDaP is about the only one I can really fully agree on being done that early on as I have read the horror stories that come from whooping cough. MMR I am going to do a hell of a lot more research on that one as that is the shot my brother got and not long after started showing signs of Autism. (They claim it doesn't, but I trust big billion dollar government sanctioned pharmaceuticals as far as I can drop kick the white house.)

Eventually my children will get vaccinated whether it be by natural immunity or medical, i'm just not going to shoot up a infant with every known drug to man. They can be spaced out over time.

flutefemmeok · September 2013

No offense intended, but you're a flucking idiot.

Chicken pox and shingles kill people. The flu kills people, especially babies and old people.

Why in the hell wouldn't you vaccinate your children against preventable diseases?!

Want them to build their immune systems? Get a dog, let them eat dirt, don't give them antibiotics every time they get sick, breastfeed (if possible). But don't go around telling people that vaccines are unnecessary, Vaccines save thousands of people every year.

"flucking"? Ok, that made me chuckle.

Tallulahsmom · September 2013

I think that the flu and chicken pox vaccines are important. Babies have a higher chance of complications from the flu and chicken pox. That is just my opinion. I do have very mixed feelings about the MMR. Not because of the usual "It causes autism". When my daughter got the MMR about 4 months ago it cause swelling in ALL of her lymph nodes. Even in her chest which was seen on xray. The ones in her neck and groin are still swollen and fluctuate in size from day to day. We have done all kinds of tests since they are not going away. We haven't found anything conclusive other than it happened immediately after the MMR. So I am not sure that the baby we are expecting will receive the MMR.

TsengAkera · September 2013

They don't lose that much money, not with all the government backing in the billions of dollars to manufacture the vaccines. That is just federal that isn't including the state taxes and funding on Vaccines.

I don't trust the drug companies, to many drugs that have been 'perfectly alright!' are coming back years later with people now having an ear falling off or some shit like that (exaggeration naturally) Look back through history and you can see a whole line up of medications that at the time were believed to be 'good for you' but now are either banned or illegal.

Cocaine for example was introduced into the world as "medicine" and put into everything from hair care products to the straight injections you see people using today. It was introduced in 1879 and used in commercial products all the way up to WWII (Germany mainly, it really stopped bout 1922 here in the states)

Heroin was marketed by the Bayer company as a none addiction form of morphine and cough medicine for children from 1898 to 1910. Lets also not forget Opium was often mixed with alcohol and sold as medicine for children as well.

Lets also not get into the hundreds of drugs that have been pulled by the FDA in recent years. So yes I will believe every word they tell me that these drugs are perfectly safe.

luvmybundle · September 2013

unfortunately i see little babies with severe complications from things like the flu and pertussis. and i've also had babies develop seizures after receiving a bunch of shots all at once. so i would like to use a staggered schedule but i def see the importance of getting kids vaccinated.

ddembinska · September 2013

By most of the logic here, I should be dead or sick, but I'm not. Chicken pox does not automatically lead to shingles, and you CAN get shingles without ever getting chicken pox. If it's so "irresponsible" than why is my son 100% healthy? But my older brother, who got every vax known to man, was diagnosed with severe autism at 3 years of age. My Mom didn't vax me, but after getting endless crap from people, she vaccinated my brother. That turned out great. My second brother wasn't vaccinated, and he's fine to this day. There is too much "maybe" or "possibly" or "no conclusive studies" on certain vaccines, and I'm not willing to pump unnecessary crap into my child. He has had shots, so I'm not 100% against vaccines, but I do my research, and having been an EMT, I know a thing or 2 about how the human body works. I completely think the flu shot is stupid. Nobody I know has benefitted from them, and they get sick! I'm over here, not sick, enjoying my chemical free body. and the reason that the circ debate and this are the same is because it's both stuff that "everybody does." My friend circ'd her kid cause it's common practice. I got snubbed by a nurse when I refused it on my son. Vaccines are the same thing. I know every ingredient that is in any vaccine that enters my child's body. or the food he eats. I can say with confidence that most people can't say that. Their doctor gave them a vaccine schedule, and they followed it cause it's what you're supposed to do. I would have done the same if not for my Mother. She urged me to educate myself, and I did. Of course doctors are gunna make it seem like life or death. They don't want the liability if they tell you that you don't REALLY need it, then something freak happens. My son's natural immunity is what gets him through everyday and keeps him healthy. He isn't sheltered in a bubble, he's exposed to germs as any child is. When he NEEDS a vaccine, he'll have it.

TsengAkera · September 2013

Come to think of it.. that also brings up the question on why our children also aren't getting vaccines for things like Bubonic plague, which yes is still here in the United states and people do still contract it. Typhus, Typhoid, TB, yellow fever... Diseases which in many parts of the world still run rampant, but yet was are vaccinating for things like polio which is only in four countries at the moment (many I don't think are going to be running off to Afghanistan any time soon with our infant children and American Soldiers all have the vaccine before deploying.)

It kind of brings into question why these specific disease are vaccinated young but others aren't. Many of the diseases listed are in our own back yard, the Bubonic quite literally as prairie dogs have been known to carry the plague for years and now squirrels are being found the carry the fleas that are carrying the plague. The others can be found just south of our border in Mexico and south america (which many migrate up to the US and many are carried by mosquito's which love to make us lunch.)

Honestly I would be more worried about the parasites my child could contract running around outside than polio.

Avion22 · September 2013

Don't want to vaccinate your kids? Fine. But please understand why nobody wants their babies, elderly relatives, or otherwise immunocompromised people anywhere NEAR your unvaccinated kids.

PrimRoseMama · September 2013

I really need a strong drink after this thread. Those opiates might do the trick too.

All this "research" from the non-vaxxers sounds fishy. I'll take proof of decades please.

C'mon folks do society a solid & vax your kids.

TsengAkera · September 2013

I love the lack of maturity levels by the pro - vaccs. Insults, personal attacks.. and by these means that is supposed to sway people to join the pro side? I see evidence and beliefs being given by those that wish to space them out, and insults given by the pro's.

A lot of the pro's on this board keep saying "If you don't vaccinate keep your kids away from mine! They could infect everyone!" Okay well what about the millions of adults around the world that have either not been vaccinated or have let their vaccines run out and not even realized it? They are now just as susceptible to those diseases as the un-vaccinated children. Or children and adults that have migrated over from the countries where these diseases are actually still prevalent and haven't gotten vaccinated either because of no insurance or are illegal and want to stay under the radar. Simply having your child out in public under the age of 6 months is putting them at risk you can't sit here and call mothers irresponsible for spacing out their children's vaccines when there are millions of adults in this country that have let their vaccinations go or were never vaccinated themselves. They put your child at just as much risk as any delayed child out there. Are you going to run around to every adult in Walmart going "Let me see your vaccine record!" To make sure they are vaccinated and not carrying a disease your baby may not be immune to?

And one thing people seem to constantly forget, Virus' mutate and evolve all the time. Look at the Pox string (aka Smallpox, chickenpox, monkey pox, cow pox) low mutation rates but it evolves rapidly to battle against host immunities. So these vaccines that have been around for years could in a matter of a few months become utterly worthless. Why do you think we need new flu shots every year, because the strain mutates and creates a whole new strain of flu. Note why you can get the flu shot and STILL get the flu because it's a new strain that you are not protected from.

So if you are going to jump on the pro wagon and bash everyone that delays or doesn't for their children, you should be going after the adults that don't get vaccinated as well.

MamaP19 · September 2013

ddembinska said:

By most of the logic here, I should be dead or sick, but I'm not. Chicken pox does not automatically lead to shingles, and you CAN get shingles without ever getting chicken pox. If it's so "irresponsible" than why is my son 100% healthy? But my older brother, who got every vax known to man, was diagnosed with severe autism at 3 years of age. My Mom didn't vax me, but after getting endless crap from people, she vaccinated my brother. That turned out great. My second brother wasn't vaccinated, and he's fine to this day. There is too much "maybe" or "possibly" or "no conclusive studies" on certain vaccines, and I'm not willing to pump unnecessary crap into my child. He has had shots, so I'm not 100% against vaccines, but I do my research, and having been an EMT, I know a thing or 2 about how the human body works. I completely think the flu shot is stupid. Nobody I know has benefitted from them, and they get sick! I'm over here, not sick, enjoying my chemical free body. and the reason that the circ debate and this are the same is because it's both stuff that "everybody does." My friend circ'd her kid cause it's common practice. I got snubbed by a nurse when I refused it on my son. Vaccines are the same thing. I know every ingredient that is in any vaccine that enters my child's body. or the food he eats. I can say with confidence that most people can't say that. Their doctor gave them a vaccine schedule, and they followed it cause it's what you're supposed to do. I would have done the same if not for my Mother. She urged me to educate myself, and I did. Of course doctors are gunna make it seem like life or death. They don't want the liability if they tell you that you don't REALLY need it, then something freak happens. My son's natural immunity is what gets him through everyday and keeps him healthy. He isn't sheltered in a bubble, he's exposed to germs as any child is. When he NEEDS a vaccine, he'll have it.

Are you aware of all of the scientific studies that have been done showing NO link between vaccines and autism?

TsengAkera · September 2013

Right because science has never been wrong about something in the past. The Pharmaceutical companies have never lied to us before about their product. The FDA has never allowed a bad drug on the market ever... Nope. It's just a bunch of conspiracy theorist and whack jobs. That you can't argue scientific fact because it is absolute truth and everything against what some guy in a lab coat says is incorrect and made up facts.

science is not full proof, they can be wrong and have been wrong in the past. I'm personally not going to go off blind faith.

(I do love how people on this forum can't read, most people here have said delayed vaccines with most not doing the chicken pox. But yet everyone is screaming they aren't vaccinating them.)

Soap1 · September 2013

TsengAkera said:

Right because science has never been wrong about something in the past. The Pharmaceutical companies have never lied to us before about their product. The FDA has never allowed a bad drug on the market ever... Nope. It's just a bunch of conspiracy theorist and whack jobs. That you can't argue scientific fact because it is absolute truth and everything against what some guy in a lab coat says is incorrect and made up facts.

science is not full proof, they can be wrong and have been wrong in the past. I'm personally not going to go off blind faith.

(I do love how people on this forum can't read, most people here have said delayed vaccines with most not doing the chicken pox. But yet everyone is screaming they aren't vaccinating them.)

You're right, science is not fool proof. But who the hell is saying that the hundreds of studies on vaccines done over the course of decades and decades of research is "blind faith"?? Science is cumulative and the more replication and meta-studies we have, the more statistically certain we are in our results.

We're statistically certain that vaccines do NOT cause autism. There has been ONE study that made that link, and it's been retracted for so many reasons I couldn't even list them (we'll start with HE FAKED HIS DATA).

We're also statistically certain that when more people go without vaccines, more people get diseases. We're statistically certain that herd immunity works.

I'm pissed at adults who don't keep up their whooping cough vaccines just as much as I am parents who don't vaccinate their kids.

Soap1 · September 2013

Joy2611 said:

RedheadBaker said:

There are not two sides to this"debate" -- there is scientific fact, and then there is quackery, out-dated information, conspiracy theories and flat out lies from the anti-vax side. I refuse to act like that side's argument has any merit. Disagreement with a scientific fact =/= difference of opinion. You are not entitled to make up your own facts.

As a scientist, I applaud this comment.

Ditto

Somebody show me some replicated peer reviewed research that vaccines are unsafe.

GopherBaby13 · September 2013

I almost DIED when I was three from the chicken pox. The vaccine was not available when I was a baby. I spent a month in the hospital. This haunts my mother still to this day. You better fucking believe that my daughter will be getting the chicken pox vaccine.

You wanna know why polio is only in 4 countries? BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN VACCINATED FOR IT!!! Why don't we all just stop vaccinating and see how fast people will start dying from diseases that vaccines have prevented?

I'm sorry but vaccines do not cause autism. Period. To think that they do or to think its even possible that they do makes you look severely misinformed and uneducated.

CurlieWhirlie · September 2013

RedheadBaker said:

(I do love how people on this forum can't read, most people here have said delayed vaccines with most not doing the chicken pox. But yet everyone is screaming they aren't vaccinating them.)
With the reasoning that Chicken Pox is no big deal ... which is wrong. It almost put me in the hospital. It killed others.

You know, I would just like to point out that I did not say Chicken Pox is no big deal. I said it's no big deal before the age of 10. Like others here, I did a lot of research before making any decisions to delay, and all the research I did said that contracting Chicken Pox naturally as a child gives you better immunity than the vaccine. My pediatrician agreed. By the time my son is ten years old, if he has not had it/developed immunity naturally, I will have him vaccinated. It is a much more dangerous disease as a teenager/adult.

DebateThis · September 2013

TsengAkera said:

I guess I am one of the rare people on this website that also plan on spacing them out. Most of them there is no reason for them to be gotten so young. The chicken pox is one I won't give them since the vaccine is only a temporary thing and getting the disease naturally gives you a life long immunity. Yes you can get shingles from chickenpox but it only takes a little bit of research to learn shingles is caused by the virus reawakening in the body which is almost always caused to the weakening of the immune system either due to stress or age (note why most Shingles patients are elderly) I got the chicken pox naturally, my husband got them naturally.. hell both our families have gotten them naturally and now other than possible shingles in our future we don't have to worry about contracting the disease as adults which is many times worse than contracting it as a child. Which with the vaccine you can still contract the disease it's not full proof.

Hep B, that one can wait a while as the only way to contract hep B is through direct contact with bodily fluid and or blood. I don't plan on my infant having sex or sucking on somebody's bloody finger that has hep B.

TDaP is about the only one I can really fully agree on being done that early on as I have read the horror stories that come from whooping cough. MMR I am going to do a hell of a lot more research on that one as that is the shot my brother got and not long after started showing signs of Autism. (They claim it doesn't, but I trust big billion dollar government sanctioned pharmaceuticals as far as I can drop kick the white house.)

Eventually my children will get vaccinated whether it be by natural immunity or medical, i'm just not going to shoot up a infant with every known drug to man. They can be spaced out over time.

Oh. Well then. Guess you shouldn't give your (more than likely) premature twins who'll be born in cold and flu season the Synagis vaccine to prevent against RSV. Since, you know, pharma might profit from it. Have fun with that.

CaitS07 · September 2013

I see SO much debate on this topic. I feel that every parent has a right to raise their child how they feel. I personally delayed vaccinating, and I only gave what I felt he needed. I think the flu shot and chicken pox vaccines are a joke. But the parents who give all shots by the book make other people feel like neglectful parents! It's kind of annoying. I do extensive research on whatever i expose my kid to, so i believe in how I raise him. He hasn't a vaccine in a pretty long time, and that's how I want it. I just wish parents, Moms in particular, would stop jumping down eachothers throats about it! It's pretty much as bad as the circ debate.

People get enraged by this because unlike you've stated, this isn't a family health topic, it's a public health topic. When you don't vaccinate your children, you put everyone at risk.

TsengAkera · September 2013

Debate this -

Are you seriously that incapable of reading? I know for many people on this forum it seems to be a very common thing but considering you "quoted" my entire post you had at least read more than what you wanted to read. Here let me requote a part for you.

Eventually my children will get vaccinated whether it be by natural immunity or medical, i'm just not going to shoot up a infant with every known drug to man. They can be spaced out over time.

There this way it can't be missed, so even those that seem to lack the ability to read can see it. I never stated my children weren't getting vaccinated, I stated that some of the less necessary ones IE Hep B could be held off till slightly later in life. The only one I stated I was not doing was chickenpox as both my husband and I agree natural immunity is better. MMR was one I was doing more research into.

As to the few that have posted about being hospitalized or nearly so from Chickenpox, it can happen it is RARE for the disease to progress that far and it also depends on the age which you got it as it is stated the older you are the worse it is. Even vaccinated you run the risk as the vaccine is only 70% -90% effective in preventing the disease.

Soap1 · September 2013

TsengAkera said:

Debate this -

Are you seriously that incapable of reading? I know for many people on this forum it seems to be a very common thing but considering you "quoted" my entire post you had at least read more than what you wanted to read. Here let me requote a part for you.

Eventually my children will get vaccinated whether it be by natural immunity or medical, i'm just not going to shoot up a infant with every known drug to man. They can be spaced out over time.

There this way it can't be missed, so even those that seem to lack the ability to read can see it. I never stated my children weren't getting vaccinated, I stated that some of the less necessary ones IE Hep B could be held off till slightly later in life. The only one I stated I was not doing was chickenpox as both my husband and I agree natural immunity is better. MMR was one I was doing more research into.

As to the few that have posted about being hospitalized or nearly so from Chickenpox, it can happen it is RARE for the disease to progress that far and it also depends on the age which you got it as it is stated the older you are the worse it is. Even vaccinated you run the risk as the vaccine is only 70% -90% effective in preventing the disease.

I don't think anyone is talking about when you'll vaccinate your kids. I think we're more focused on the claims you've made about science not knowing what it's talking about regarding vaccines.

DebateThis · September 2013

TsengAkera said:

Debate this -

Are you seriously that incapable of reading? I know for many people on this forum it seems to be a very common thing but considering you "quoted" my entire post you had at least read more than what you wanted to read. Here let me requote a part for you.

Eventually my children will get vaccinated whether it be by natural immunity or medical, i'm just not going to shoot up a infant with every known drug to man. They can be spaced out over time.

There this way it can't be missed, so even those that seem to lack the ability to read can see it. I never stated my children weren't getting vaccinated, I stated that some of the less necessary ones IE Hep B could be held off till slightly later in life. The only one I stated I was not doing was chickenpox as both my husband and I agree natural immunity is better. MMR was one I was doing more research into.

As to the few that have posted about being hospitalized or nearly so from Chickenpox, it can happen it is RARE for the disease to progress that far and it also depends on the age which you got it as it is stated the older you are the worse it is. Even vaccinated you run the risk as the vaccine is only 70% -90% effective in preventing the disease.

: that *I* am incapable of reading when you're one of the biggest conspiracy theorists who has bothered to show her face around here in ages. I think everyone else did an absolutely wonderful job refuting your "theories", but it's downright laughable that you make comments about vaccines-for-profit when that's completely debunked. You know what else has been debunked? The idea that you can get "natural immunity" to things like RSV or measles or pertussis or that you can delay something like the RSV shots just to fit your shits n'giggles made up schedule.

And also? Your Hep B info is wrong. Hepatitis B can survive for a week outside the body. It survives even when dried. Hep A and E can survive for months. It can be dried, washed, lysoled and still survive. Hep C and D can survive hours to days. So when you're at your neighborhood grocery store, and your kid licks the cart, or the can of tomatoes that got sneezed on three weeks ago by an infected person, that's how your kid gets hepatitis.
Common? Nope.
Does it matter if its common if its your kid that develops hepatitis and needs a liver transplant? Not a whole fucking lot.

GopherBaby13 · September 2013

@DT

I fucking LOVE how this bish comes on here and tries to start shit with you. This should be fun.

Oh and @TsengAkera

I must have just been one of the RARE cases then, being put in the hospital at three years old because of CP. I'm sorry, but I would much rather take that 70% chance of the vaccine working than not protecting my daughter at all.

hlm184 · September 2013

Vaccines are one of the few things I think the government should provide to everyone, either free of charge or for very, very cheap.

TsengAkera · September 2013

Highlight for me where I stated that you can get natural immunity to RSV, measles or pertussis. Quote for me where I stated I was not getting the RSV shot. Oh and Just so you know, Measles is one you CAN gain natural immunity to if you have had it younger in life.

Is it true that some people can't get measles?

Yes. Some people are immune to measles, meaning that their body has already learned how to fight off the virus, and they won't become sick from it. People can become immune to measles in 2 ways. If they've already had measles earlier in life, then they are immune and won't get it again. Or, if they have gotten 2 doses of measles vaccine, they should be immune (protected from getting measles).

https://www.sfcdcp.org/measles.html San Francisco public health department.

Preventing new infections
If you've already had measles, your body has built up its immune system to fight the infection, and you can't get measles again.

https://www.mayoclinic.com/health/measles/DS00331/DSECTION=prevention Mayo clinic

Photo from 'Disease by Mary Dobson'

So if you wish to highlight that and say yes I said it by all means, go ahead.

I absolutely love how you scew words and twist them. No where did I state I was not getting Hep A or the others. I stated that Hep B could wait as it was only transmitted through bodily fluids and blood. Yes it can live for up to 7 days outside of the body. But as you stated if my kid licks a tomato can that got sneezed on.

What are ways Hepatitis B is not spread?

Hepatitis B virus is not spread by sharing eating utensils, breastfeeding, hugging, kissing, holding hands, coughing, or sneezing.

https://www.cdc.gov/hepatitis/b/bfaq.htm CDC website

And as I have stated it was the hep B that could wait a few months, I may not have a choice as they give it at birth but you never know. Hep C there is NO VACCINE for it.

Is there a vaccine that can prevent Hepatitis C?

Not yet. Vaccines are available only for Hepatitis A and Hepatitis B. Research into the development of a vaccine is under way.

https://www.cdc.gov/hepatitis/c/cfaq.htm CDC website

Hep D has to rely upon hep B in order to replicate and so in order to have hep D you have to have Hep B.

You will have to forgive me if I have a hard time believing anything you say when simple information like that can be found anywhere but yet you were unable to look up those things for yourself. Or were you simply hoping no one was going to be bothered to look up the information.

Soap1 · September 2013

I don't think that getting natural immunity from Measles by catching the Measles is what was meant. Catching Measles is exactly what we're hoping to avoid by vaccinating our children.

CaitS07 · September 2013

TsengAkera said:

Highlight for me where I stated that you can get natural immunity to RSV, measles or pertussis. Quote for me where I stated I was not getting the RSV shot. Oh and Just so you know, Measles is one you CAN gain natural immunity to if you have had it younger in life.

Is it true that some people can't get measles?
Yes. Some people are immune to measles, meaning that their body has already learned how to fight off the virus, and they won't become sick from it. People can become immune to measles in 2 ways. If they've already had measles earlier in life, then they are immune and won't get it again. Or, if they have gotten 2 doses of measles vaccine, they should be immune (protected from getting measles).

https://www.sfcdcp.org/measles.html San Francisco public health department.

Preventing new infections
If you've already had measles, your body has built up its immune system to fight the infection, and you can't get measles again.

https://www.mayoclinic.com/health/measles/DS00331/DSECTION=prevention Mayo clinic

Photo from 'Disease by Mary Dobson'

So if you wish to highlight that and say yes I said it by all means, go ahead.

I absolutely love how you scew words and twist them. No where did I state I was not getting Hep A or the others. I stated that Hep B could wait as it was only transmitted through bodily fluids and blood. Yes it can live for up to 7 days outside of the body. But as you stated if my kid licks a tomato can that got sneezed on.

What are ways Hepatitis B is not spread?
Hepatitis B virus is not spread by sharing eating utensils, breastfeeding, hugging, kissing, holding hands, coughing, or sneezing.
https://www.cdc.gov/hepatitis/b/bfaq.htm CDC website
And as I have stated it was the hep B that could wait a few months, I may not have a choice as they give it at birth but you never know. Hep C there is NO VACCINE for it.
Is there a vaccine that can prevent Hepatitis C?
Not yet. Vaccines are available only for Hepatitis A and Hepatitis B. Research into the development of a vaccine is under way.
https://www.cdc.gov/hepatitis/c/cfaq.htm CDC website
Hep D has to rely upon hep B in order to replicate and so in order to have hep D you have to have Hep B.
You will have to forgive me if I have a hard time believing anything you say when simple information like that can be found anywhere but yet you were unable to look up those things for yourself. Or were you simply hoping no one was going to be bothered to look up the information.

Can you read?? It clearly states that 1. you either get infected by it the first time, or you get the vax! How is contracting the disease natural immunity?

notreal2 · September 2013

TsengAkera said:

Highlight for me where I stated that you can get natural immunity to RSV, measles or pertussis. Quote for me where I stated I was not getting the RSV shot. Oh and Just so you know, Measles is one you CAN gain natural immunity to if you have had it younger in life.

Is it true that some people can't get measles?

Yes. Some people are immune to measles, meaning that their body has already learned how to fight off the virus, and they won't become sick from it. People can become immune to measles in 2 ways. If they've already had measles earlier in life, then they are immune and won't get it again. Or, if they have gotten 2 doses of measles vaccine, they should be immune (protected from getting measles).

https://www.sfcdcp.org/measles.html San Francisco public health department.

Preventing new infections
If you've already had measles, your body has built up its immune system to fight the infection, and you can't get measles again.

https://www.mayoclinic.com/health/measles/DS00331/DSECTION=prevention Mayo clinic

Photo from 'Disease by Mary Dobson'

So if you wish to highlight that and say yes I said it by all means, go ahead.

I absolutely love how you scew words and twist them. No where did I state I was not getting Hep A or the others. I stated that Hep B could wait as it was only transmitted through bodily fluids and blood. Yes it can live for up to 7 days outside of the body. But as you stated if my kid licks a tomato can that got sneezed on.

What are ways Hepatitis B is not spread?

Hepatitis B virus is not spread by sharing eating utensils, breastfeeding, hugging, kissing, holding hands, coughing, or sneezing.

https://www.cdc.gov/hepatitis/b/bfaq.htm CDC website

And as I have stated it was the hep B that could wait a few months, I may not have a choice as they give it at birth but you never know. Hep C there is NO VACCINE for it.

Is there a vaccine that can prevent Hepatitis C?

Not yet. Vaccines are available only for Hepatitis A and Hepatitis B. Research into the development of a vaccine is under way.

https://www.cdc.gov/hepatitis/c/cfaq.htm CDC website

Hep D has to rely upon hep B in order to replicate and so in order to have hep D you have to have Hep B.

You will have to forgive me if I have a hard time believing anything you say when simple information like that can be found anywhere but yet you were unable to look up those things for yourself. Or were you simply hoping no one was going to be bothered to look up the information.

ANd she didn't specify what hepatitis could be caught by touching objects, but as someone whose whole family (except me) got Hep (Oh yeah, we all have anecdotes to back up our data) while eating at a restaurant, I say you are wrong. Casual contact and touching stuff can certainly pass it on.

Soap1 · September 2013

MrsMuq said:

ddembinska said:

By most of the logic here, I should be dead or sick, but I'm not. Chicken pox does not automatically lead to shingles, and you CAN get shingles without ever getting chicken pox. If it's so "irresponsible" than why is my son 100% healthy? But my older brother, who got every vax known to man, was diagnosed with severe autism at 3 years of age. My Mom didn't vax me, but after getting endless crap from people, she vaccinated my brother. That turned out great. My second brother wasn't vaccinated, and he's fine to this day. There is too much "maybe" or "possibly" or "no conclusive studies" on certain vaccines, and I'm not willing to pump unnecessary crap into my child. He has had shots, so I'm not 100% against vaccines, but I do my research, and having been an EMT, I know a thing or 2 about how the human body works. I completely think the flu shot is stupid. Nobody I know has benefitted from them, and they get sick! I'm over here, not sick, enjoying my chemical free body. and the reason that the circ debate and this are the same is because it's both stuff that "everybody does." My friend circ'd her kid cause it's common practice. I got snubbed by a nurse when I refused it on my son. Vaccines are the same thing. I know every ingredient that is in any vaccine that enters my child's body. or the food he eats. I can say with confidence that most people can't say that. Their doctor gave them a vaccine schedule, and they followed it cause it's what you're supposed to do. I would have done the same if not for my Mother. She urged me to educate myself, and I did. Of course doctors are gunna make it seem like life or death. They don't want the liability if they tell you that you don't REALLY need it, then something freak happens. My son's natural immunity is what gets him through everyday and keeps him healthy. He isn't sheltered in a bubble, he's exposed to germs as any child is. When he NEEDS a vaccine, he'll have it.

I have 21 cousins and 2 sisters. H has 42 cousins and 2 brothers. We all got the MMR vaccine.

Know how many have autism? 0. Zero. Zilch.

Anecdotal "evidence" is not evidence. Double blind studies and clinical trials are evidence.

And there is absolutely, positively no casual link between vaccines and autism. Those myths have been rebuked and rebuffed thousands of times. Do a bit more real research and talk to your pediatrician before you endanger your offspring's health.

I don't care if you were an EMT or how much research you've done - not vaccinating your kids because it might cause autism leads me to believe you're just another flaming idiot.

There's not even a correlational link.

TsengAkera · September 2013

That on I can admit I got mixed up between Natural and Acquired. Natural immunity to me has always meant contracting the disease naturally with out vaccine.

TsengAkera · September 2013

notreal2 said:
ANd she didn't specify what hepatitis could be caught by touching objects, but as someone whose whole family (except me) got Hep (Oh yeah, we all have anecdotes to back up our data) while eating at a restaurant, I say you are wrong. Casual contact and touching stuff can certainly pass it on.

Hep B was the only one in question as I never stated I was not getting Hep A which according to the CDC recommended shot time line is not given until the child is 12 months of age.

And as stated hep A is transmitted through contaminated food and water via unsanitary conditions where the fecal matter of an infected person is able to contaminate food. In other words the restaurant you ate at had a person in the back that either didn't wash their hands or the products were not washed prior to being served.

Hep C it doesn't matter how it's contracted as there is no vaccine for it.

JennyCupcakes01 · September 2013

Not sure if this was brought up already, but I remember having to be up to date on vaccinations before even being able to attend school. What do those parents do with their kids when they refuse vaccines?

Not sure if I buy into the autism/vaccine link though. Definitely getting my newborn vaccinated.

Aligirl090034 · September 2013

You guys need to grow UP!

Aligirl090034 · September 2013

Amazes me that you all have so much time to sit and nit pick at everyone else's ideals if you dont like dont do it, if you feel that it needs to be done then do it! But GO OUTSIDE ~ enjoy your children, and live life to your fullest get out from behind your computers and let people live! Thats why we live in the United States it called being FREE! If you dont want your kid next to a "non" vaccinated kid then keep them home, dont work and stay home with your baby. Who has the time to sit and quote and re-quote what people are saying!

Aligirl090034 · September 2013

DebateThis said:

TsengAkera said:

I guess I am one of the rare people on this website that also plan on spacing them out. Most of them there is no reason for them to be gotten so young. The chicken pox is one I won't give them since the vaccine is only a temporary thing and getting the disease naturally gives you a life long immunity. Yes you can get shingles from chickenpox but it only takes a little bit of research to learn shingles is caused by the virus reawakening in the body which is almost always caused to the weakening of the immune system either due to stress or age (note why most Shingles patients are elderly) I got the chicken pox naturally, my husband got them naturally.. hell both our families have gotten them naturally and now other than possible shingles in our future we don't have to worry about contracting the disease as adults which is many times worse than contracting it as a child. Which with the vaccine you can still contract the disease it's not full proof.

Hep B, that one can wait a while as the only way to contract hep B is through direct contact with bodily fluid and or blood. I don't plan on my infant having sex or sucking on somebody's bloody finger that has hep B.

TDaP is about the only one I can really fully agree on being done that early on as I have read the horror stories that come from whooping cough. MMR I am going to do a hell of a lot more research on that one as that is the shot my brother got and not long after started showing signs of Autism. (They claim it doesn't, but I trust big billion dollar government sanctioned pharmaceuticals as far as I can drop kick the white house.)

Eventually my children will get vaccinated whether it be by natural immunity or medical, i'm just not going to shoot up a infant with every known drug to man. They can be spaced out over time.

Oh. Well then. Guess you shouldn't give your (more than likely) premature twins who'll be born in cold and flu season the Synagis vaccine to prevent against RSV. Since, you know, pharma might profit from it. Have fun with that.

AND for you! YOU ARE A SICK PERSON ~ why would you even say that she is going to have her babies premature! All your doing is starting stuff with other people, and thats horrible to say! Almost as bad as wishing illness or death upon your children! You really need to look at your kids and hope that nothing ever happens to them cause your creating a BUNCH on bed Karma for yourself!

msmerymac · September 2013

You don't "develop" autism. It's part of your brain chemistry. Have you ever heard of an adult "developing" autism? No. It's as ridiculous as saying your baby became Asian after getting the MMR vaccine. Either your brain is wired for autism when you're born, or it isn't.

As for vaccine studies, well, they've been done for hundreds of years, so it's not some "new" thing Big Pharma came up with. Before people knew about GERMS they knew that if you got sick and survived certain illnesses (bubonic plague, smallpox), you wouldn't get them again. They also found out that if you were exposed to a small amount of the disease, you might have a mild case or develop immunity. Hence the first live vaccines, which sometimes involved being inoculated with pus or snorting scabs from disease victims. Yum! Obviously things are better researched and more regulated now, but the theory is the same - live vaccines are a much-weakened form of the virus which your immune system fights off and which forces your body to develop antibodies to the disease, so if you are exposed in the future you will not get sick.

Also, just because a disease is called "pox" doesn't mean it's related. No, smallpox and chicken pox are not remotely the same thing. One did not evolve from the other. That's why smallpox has been eliminated in the wild (and had a mortality rate of about 1/3) and chickenpox still exists.

Aligirl090034 · September 2013

Finnaroo said:

Aligirl090034 said:

DebateThis said:

TsengAkera said:

I guess I am one of the rare people on this website that also plan on spacing them out. Most of them there is no reason for them to be gotten so young. The chicken pox is one I won't give them since the vaccine is only a temporary thing and getting the disease naturally gives you a life long immunity. Yes you can get shingles from chickenpox but it only takes a little bit of research to learn shingles is caused by the virus reawakening in the body which is almost always caused to the weakening of the immune system either due to stress or age (note why most Shingles patients are elderly) I got the chicken pox naturally, my husband got them naturally.. hell both our families have gotten them naturally and now other than possible shingles in our future we don't have to worry about contracting the disease as adults which is many times worse than contracting it as a child. Which with the vaccine you can still contract the disease it's not full proof.

Hep B, that one can wait a while as the only way to contract hep B is through direct contact with bodily fluid and or blood. I don't plan on my infant having sex or sucking on somebody's bloody finger that has hep B.

TDaP is about the only one I can really fully agree on being done that early on as I have read the horror stories that come from whooping cough. MMR I am going to do a hell of a lot more research on that one as that is the shot my brother got and not long after started showing signs of Autism. (They claim it doesn't, but I trust big billion dollar government sanctioned pharmaceuticals as far as I can drop kick the white house.)

Eventually my children will get vaccinated whether it be by natural immunity or medical, i'm just not going to shoot up a infant with every known drug to man. They can be spaced out over time.
Oh. Well then. Guess you shouldn't give your (more than likely) premature twins who'll be born in cold and flu season the Synagis vaccine to prevent against RSV. Since, you know, pharma might profit from it. Have fun with that.
AND for you! YOU ARE A SICK PERSON ~ why would you even say that she is going to have her babies premature! All your doing is starting stuff with other people, and thats horrible to say! Almost as bad as wishing illness or death upon your children! You really need to look at your kids and hope that nothing ever happens to them cause your creating a BUNCH on bed Karma for yourself!

Ok White Knight. Statistically speaking, multiples are much more likely to be born prematurely. She's not wishing that tseng's babies will be born prematurely.

As for the rest of your babble, this is not one of those "to each his own". There is a very real and documented danger for the entire community when people stop vaccinating. So, no, it's not my vaccinated child who would be the most at risk. It's the newborn who hasn't had a chance to even get the vaccines, or your grandmother who's elderly, or your friend who has allergic reactions to vaccines and relies on others to be vaccinated.

Do you really not get the irony of you saying "Go out and LIVE!!!" when it comes to people not getting vaccines. I would very much like to live, so I'm going to need for them to comply with the vaccine schedule. Mmmmk? Thanks.

ALL IM saying BEACH is enjoy your family and get off your high horse like you are better than anyone because of a decision YOUR parents made! Guess your time is so much better spent pissing people off and trying to control their ideals of what is right and whats wrong! And by the premature thing Im not dumb I know twins don't usually go full term but she was implying negative towards her! So i sincerely wish you the best day ever following what people say on here!

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