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October 2013 Moms
germanpickle
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This is why non-vaccinators piss me off
germanpickle
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We vaccinate. We also live in germany which is one of the hotbeds of idiots that do not/ pick and chose the basics to or not to vaccinate. We've had break outs of whopping cough every year since i moved here and measles has increased over 600% in the last 5 years.
Although WE vaccinate our son now has scarlet fever. In case you are unfamiliar with it: it hurts ad he is having a real go of it.
At first I was like "could happen" until not one, not two, but SIX medical professionals (including one that encourages non-vaccination!) told me that because people aren't vaccinating for ALL the basics anymore, scarlet fever now has a lovely hole to slip right on through and infect anyone and everyone, including those that are vaccinated. Oh, AND the strain is much stronger.
Lovely. Next person who tells me they aren't vaccinating is getting throat punched for helping set up a viral and such culture that is now making my baby suffer.
Although WE vaccinate our son now has scarlet fever. In case you are unfamiliar with it: it hurts ad he is having a real go of it.
At first I was like "could happen" until not one, not two, but SIX medical professionals (including one that encourages non-vaccination!) told me that because people aren't vaccinating for ALL the basics anymore, scarlet fever now has a lovely hole to slip right on through and infect anyone and everyone, including those that are vaccinated. Oh, AND the strain is much stronger.
Lovely. Next person who tells me they aren't vaccinating is getting throat punched for helping set up a viral and such culture that is now making my baby suffer.
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Re: This is why non-vaccinators piss me off
After almost 3 years of IF and a crazy roadside delivery, we are loving life with our second beautiful daughter!
DD2 | June 2011
DS1 | Oct 2013
ADD3 | Oct 2014 (April 2001)
DS2 | June 2016
DS3 | Dec 2018
Due with baby blob August 2021
I can't find anything available in English right now (mobile and taking care of sick son). But suffice to say our bodies and the mass collection of our bodies is not as easy as x = y. And I'm still pissed!
Scarlet fever is not a virus, it is caused by a bacteria (a Group A streptococcus bacteria.) The correlation of not vaccinating and coming down with this bacterial infection is not making any sense to me. Not being vaccinated for other things does not effect this bacterial infection. My nursing/biology educated side is not seeing what the correlation is at all here. I would like to read some literature on it (I would go searching through my library resources right now to find something, but I am busy studying for an exam tomorrow.) I am sorry your son is sick. I hope he feels better soon. Strep infections are not fun to deal with.
After almost 3 years of IF and a crazy roadside delivery, we are loving life with our second beautiful daughter!
This is the worse they've seen since the 1950s. Makes me want to keep my child from everyone till he gets the vaccine. Grrrrrrr I HATE stupid ppl who don't vaccinate. I've read that in Tx their has been over 2,000 cases and still going up each day
Scarlet fever is not vaccinated against, so if you are exposed to that bacteria you will possibly develope strep throat and/or scarlet fever.
But to answer your question in general terms, sometimes people do not have an adequate immune response to their vaccinations. The purpose of vaccines is to stimulate your immune system to make antibodies against whatever it is you were vaccinated against so that the next time you are exposed to it your body immediately starts to defend against it and prevents it from overwhelming your ssytem and causing an infection. If your body doesn't have the proper immune response to the vaccination then you will not have adequate antibodies in your system to make the proper response when you are exposed, and then you can have the disease you thought you would be protected against (this doesn't happen super often.) Sometimes this can happen if you do not complete a vaccine series (most vaccines require multiple vaccines at various spacing to build adequate antibodies.) Now with some vaccines (like the flu vaccine) they are choosing what viral strains they want to protect for, so with the flu vaccine they are guessing which strains of influenza are going to be the most prevelant that year. If their guess work is wrong then you don't have the right antibodies to protect you from the wrong strain of flu, however you usually get a milder form of flu because your immune system is able to have SOME response based off the antibodies you have developed from the vaccine, just not the ideal one it would have if the vaccine contained the strain you were exposed to. I hope that makes sense and helps answer your question.
After almost 3 years of IF and a crazy roadside delivery, we are loving life with our second beautiful daughter!
I blame Jenny McCarthy.
On a serious note, hope your son feels better soon.
...even though, as already suggested, Scarlett fever is not immuniz-able...
Scarlet fever is not vaccinated against, so if you are exposed to that bacteria you will possibly develope strep throat and/or scarlet fever.
But to answer your question in general terms, sometimes people do not have an adequate immune response to their vaccinations. The purpose of vaccines is to stimulate your immune system to make antibodies against whatever it is you were vaccinated against so that the next time you are exposed to it your body immediately starts to defend against it and prevents it from overwhelming your ssytem and causing an infection. If your body doesn't have the proper immune response to the vaccination then you will not have adequate antibodies in your system to make the proper response when you are exposed, and then you can have the disease you thought you would be protected against (this doesn't happen super often.) Sometimes this can happen if you do not complete a vaccine series (most vaccines require multiple vaccines at various spacing to build adequate antibodies.) Now with some vaccines (like the flu vaccine) they are choosing what viral strains they want to protect for, so with the flu vaccine they are guessing which strains of influenza are going to be the most prevelant that year. If their guess work is wrong then you don't have the right antibodies to protect you from the wrong strain of flu, however you usually get a milder form of flu because your immune system is able to have SOME response based off the antibodies you have developed from the vaccine, just not the ideal one it would have if the vaccine contained the strain you were exposed to. I hope that makes sense and helps answer your question.
This! DS had the chicken pox vaccine on schedule and still got them at 18 months...very mild case that didn't keep him down, just kept us home for a while so he didn't share...I am still very pro vaccine and although this has been discussed over and over I truly still don't get those that choose not to or delay...i will just choose to do what I can for my children and vaccinate on schedule
I'm keeping my opinions to myself, since i know how tb works. I just need to say that most people who do not vaccinate are not basing it off of Jenny McCarthy. That's like saying that all breast feeders breast feed because pink does.
With that I'm done.
DD2 | June 2011
DS1 | Oct 2013
ADD3 | Oct 2014 (April 2001)
DS2 | June 2016
DS3 | Dec 2018
Due with baby blob August 2021
Gwyneddlesliegrace It was a joke.
As you can see I followed it up with "on a serious note" in my original post.
Gwyneddlesliegrace It was a joke.
As you can see I followed it up with "on a serious note" in my original post.
I understand that, it is just a huge pet peeve with me. It's something I see all.the.time.DD2 | June 2011
DS1 | Oct 2013
ADD3 | Oct 2014 (April 2001)
DS2 | June 2016
DS3 | Dec 2018
Due with baby blob August 2021
Ooh. If anyone comes across this map anywhere online, can you post the link? I'm going to look for it because I think it'll be a great way to convince my parents and in laws to get the whooping cough vaccine.
From my knowledge Scarlett fever comes from having strep throat first that goes untreated..at least this is what my doc told me when I use to get strep a lot..and there is no stopping it, no vaccines..so I don't see how babies not getting other vaccines would make scarlett fever come back
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chickenpox
Vaccine
A varicella vaccine was first developed by Michiaki Takahashi in 1974 derived from the Oka strain. It has been available in the US since 1995 to inoculate against the disease. Some countries require the varicella vaccination or an exemption before entering elementary school. Protection from one dose is not lifelong and a second dose is necessary five years after the initial immunization,[31] which is currently part of the routine immunization schedule in the US.[32] The chickenpox vaccine is not part of the routine childhood vaccination schedule in the UK. In the UK, the vaccine is currently only offered to people who are particularly vulnerable to chickenpox. A vaccinated person is likely to have a milder case of chickenpox if infected.[33]
i'm 28, i got my chickenpox vaccine in 1986. i think on my local board we had discussed this before, and many of us got our cpox vaccines around this time. i've never had cpox, but i got shingles at 23.