Attachment Parenting

Fighting with your mother on parenting choices

This is a bit of a rant with a question at the end...

My mom has to make a comment about every. single. thing I do with DD.  It's really starting to get on my nerves.  My mom and I are not close at all, and I believe it is because she was such a detached parent.  As babies my sister and I were always left to ourselves in our playpen. I don't know why b/c my mom was a SAHM so she could have taken some time out from dishes, cleaning, laundry, w/e else she did to actually spend time with us.  The only time my family was together was for the 30 mins that we were eating dinner.  Then the kids were off to play by themselves, Dad watched TV, and mom cleaned.

I am fortunate enough that I can stay home with DD (almost 21 months), although I do watch the son of a family friend 3 days a week for some extra income.  But every time I talk to my mom, she has to make SOME comment about something I do with DD.  We coslept for the first year and I never heard the end of it.  When she was a baby my mom would say to put her to sleep on her tummy so that if she threw up it wouldn't choke her, even though everyone nowadays knows "back to sleep".  DD weaned herself from BF around 18 months and from 6 months on I heard how I should stop and give her formula instead so that other people could have the pleasure of feeding her.  My DD is still rear facing and my mom has to comment how I never rear faced and I turned out fine.  I told my mom I didn't want DD eating ice cream and she says "well I do".    Everything is "well I did it this way and you turned out fine".  I'm 27 years old, times have changed Mom!  I have tried talking to her about it and she had the nerve to tell me to stop criticizing the way she "gives advice".  I have never once asked for her advice.  My sister still lives at home with my parents and when DD stays the night there, she tells me how my mom completely ignores DD's routines and my rules for her.  

I don't know what to do.  I have thought about threatening my mom and telling her that if she can't learn to keep her mouth shut, then I will not allow her to see DD as much (she sees her at least twice a week, compared to twice a month like my dad and my husband's parents).  My baby is healthy and happy, that should be the only thing that matters.  Anyone else going through the same thing and have any advice to offer?

Re: Fighting with your mother on parenting choices

  • If someone completely ignored my routines and direction; then they wouldn't get to be alone with my child.  (That's actually why my MIL will never be alone with any of our children.)

    I haven't dealt exactly with your situation, but I would say limit the time you spend with your mother and if she ask why just be honest and say you are tired of hearing her advice.  (Ask her to stop giving your advice first if you haven't.  It sounds like you have.  I would just call it advice.)

    In response to the "____ turned out fine."  I have responded, "I don't want my kid to just be fine, I want them to be great.  I'll do things my way, thank you."  This is probably a little too snarky for someone you want to keep peace with though. . .at least the way I say it in my head.

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  • State it now, if she can't abide by your rules, and set them out clearly (like you would a 2yr old) then she will not be allowed time alone (without you) with your child.  Then follow through with it when she doesn't abide by the rules.

    If you wish you can do test runs after to see if she got the point, if she doesn't follow the rules then once again do not let her see your child without you present.  

    Eventually she will have to choose to abide by the rules or not see your child without you.  But be ready for a long, disappointing period of time.

    We essentially had to do the above with my mother in law before our daughter was born based on how she treated my husband and I.  We set the rule that if she wouldn't attend family therapy to fix things she would not see us.  She tried 3 therapists, switching after each one made it clear she was the problem, not me, and that she indeed needed to make changes.  We then said no more therapist changes this is the one.  She has decided not to see us for 3 years now.  She has never met her grandchild, by her own choice. 

    It sucks, especially for my husband but we all agree live is soooo much better without her manipulating and controlling us.  Sadly our daughter will grow up with "grandma is in a time out because she wasn't being nice.  When she is ready to try again we will see her".

    Your child is your child your mom gets no say in how you raise her.  It's one thing to give suggestion and to push your ideas but when you purposely go against the moms wishes you are messing with a fierce momma bear and you ain't gonna win!

     

  • =Lee=B said:

    State it now, if she can't abide by your rules, and set them out clearly (like you would a 2yr old) then she will not be allowed time alone (without you) with your child.  Then follow through with it when she doesn't abide by the rules.

    If you wish you can do test runs after to see if she got the point, if she doesn't follow the rules then once again do not let her see your child without you present.  

    Eventually she will have to choose to abide by the rules or not see your child without you.  But be ready for a long, disappointing period of time.

    We essentially had to do the above with my mother in law before our daughter was born based on how she treated my husband and I.  We set the rule that if she wouldn't attend family therapy to fix things she would not see us.  She tried 3 therapists, switching after each one made it clear she was the problem, not me, and that she indeed needed to make changes.  We then said no more therapist changes this is the one.  She has decided not to see us for 3 years now.  She has never met her grandchild, by her own choice. 

    It sucks, especially for my husband but we all agree live is soooo much better without her manipulating and controlling us.  Sadly our daughter will grow up with "grandma is in a time out because she wasn't being nice.  When she is ready to try again we will see her".

    Your child is your child your mom gets no say in how you raise her.  It's one thing to give suggestion and to push your ideas but when you purposely go against the moms wishes you are messing with a fierce momma bear and you ain't gonna win!

    I know that it's not an easy or ideal situation, but I am in love with this statement.
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  • Ugh. I'm so sorry! This sounds much like my mother. She wanted me to have him CIO, doesn't understand why I'm still nursing, says we'll never get DS out of our bed, and told stories of how my babysitter put me in a playpen all day while she watched TV...before I could even sit up, and I turned out fine. She criticizes me for something nearly every time we talk.

    I think most of it comes from her feeling that if I'm doing it differently, then I don't approve of how she raised me and think she was a bad mom. She is hurt by me not doing things the way she did. Whether or not I disapprove of how I was parented is irrelevant, though. I'm going to do what I think is best for my son, and I'm going to do what works for our family. It shouldn't have anything to do with my mom or her parenting, but for her it does.

    We've basically agreed to disagree on many things. I've shared research with her, explained why I do some if the things I do, and on others just told her they weren't up for negotiation. My mom has never babysat for us.

    It can be so discouraging to have so little support from people you love. I'd recommend surrounding yourself with good support, whether in other friends and family, a moms group, LLL, or API. :)

    Now that DS is a toddler and so happy, secure and independent, the proof of our parenting is in him. :) I hope that as your DD grows your mom can see what a great job you've done.
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  • My mom loves giving her advice like that and makes tons of passive aggressive comments, like "don't you think it's time she was in the crib already"? Or "are you still breastfeeding?". I don't know that she truly gets annoyed that I do things differently, but she likes drama, lol. My mom and I are fairly close but she is a character and has her quirks, so I guess for the 'most' part, her unwanted advice amuses me more than gets me upset. I just say "no, this works for us" or " do you want to get up with her all night long?". But this will be different for every mother/daughter dynamic!
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  • My mom loves giving her advice like that and makes tons of passive aggressive comments, like "don't you think it's time she was in the crib already"? Or "are you still breastfeeding?". I don't know that she truly gets annoyed that I do things differently, but she likes drama, lol. My mom and I are fairly close but she is a character and has her quirks, so I guess for the 'most' part, her unwanted advice amuses me more than gets me upset. I just say "no, this works for us" or " do you want to get up with her all night long?". But this will be different for every mother/daughter dynamic!
    This sounds exactly like the relationship I have with my mom.  I am very close with my mom and she even watches DD while I'm at work.  We have just agreed to disagree and I usually just leave it at that.  And even though she does criticize a lot of what I do, she usually does abide by my wishes when DD is in her care.  I pick my battles and I emphasis what is most important to me and I just let the rest of it go.
    Honestly, I don't get all worked up about it.  I also don't understand how people can tell their parents that they're not allowed to see their grandchildren because of this.  It just doesn't seem right.  I have such a special relationship with both sets of grandparents and I want my kids to have that relationship with their grandparents.  I'm not going to let some silly arguments with my mom get in the way of that.
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  • I wonder if your mom is feeling inadequate or some regret that you are able to do some of the things that, for whatever reason, she didn't or couldn't. I don't have this problem with my mom, but I know that she is open and honest about regretting a lot of parenting choices with my (10&13 years older than me) brothers who she parented as a teen mother. Are there things that your mom does well with the kids that you can emphasize or thank her for? Have you tried telling her that you're not criticizing her, you just have read a lot if information and done your research and intentionally made these choices? Are there things that you can accept that she does differently and things that are deal breakers for you? I'd be having that conversation instead of threatening or "putting grandma in time out" (which was a lol... Please take no offense... Sounds like a tough situation). I'd say in the spirit of "parenting grandma", positive reinforcement, trying to understand what's really going on, and choosing your battles will be more effective than threats and time outs.
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  • I definitely think you need to be direct with her.  This is your child and your choice.  Furthermore, she is treating you as though you are still a child - she needs to understand that you are an adult - and that you expect to be treated as one.

    I would tell her that you love her but that she had a chance to raise her children and now it's your turn.  And I'd be honest with her that if she can't abide by your wishes and respect your choices, you really don't want to spend time with her or have your child around her. 

    Although I love my parents dearly and have always had a good relationship with them, they made some different choices than I did as parents.  But they respect that this is how I roll and don't question my decisions - so it is possible!
  • KC_13 said:
    I guess I'm going to be the odd man out and disagree with what most everyone else said. I think it's completely typical for parents to give unsolicited advice. Heck, every stranger you meet likes to give it too. It comes with the territory. Yes, it's annoying. Yes, it's probably inspired by some offense that you're not choosing to raise your child the same way since it indirectly implies your parents messed up in some way. It's not worth severing your relationship with your mother over. When she gives "advice", say thanks but what were doing right now is working for our family and change the subject. End of story.

    In terms of grandparents not following rules and routines, I would not expect them to! A grandparents job is to spoil their grandchildren. Throughout their life, a child will adapt to different sets of rules. Their teacher is not going to handle situations the identical way you would nor is their soccer coach going to have the same rules. I mean of course there are some deal breakers--if my parents spanked one of my children they would lose the privilege to watch them without me there. Everything else is flexible. Being so controlling and not allowing them to learn from others does your child a great disservice IMO.
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  • I'll preface this by saying that my MIL, who watches DS one day a week, is very respectful of how DH and I do things. But when she does something that I wouldn't have done, I usually just shrug and say, "well, it's free babysitting". However, now that he's getting to the eating solids stage, I think I might have some problems on the horizon... She's all about spoiling her grandkids with sugary treats, and DH and I are NOT OK with that. 

    So, bottom line, I would pick your battles. Think about what things are really important to you and talk to her about those things. IMO her routine getting thrown out the window one day isn't going to do much harm. But if that's something that's really important to you, then talk to her about it. But if not eating ice cream is more important, let the routine thing slide and focus on getting her to feed DD healthy foods.
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    I'll preface this by saying that my MIL, who watches DS one day a week, is very respectful of how DH and I do things. But when she does something that I wouldn't have done, I usually just shrug and say, "well, it's free babysitting". However, now that he's getting to the eating solids stage, I think I might have some problems on the horizon... She's all about spoiling her grandkids with sugary treats, and DH and I are NOT OK with that. 


    So, bottom line, I would pick your battles. Think about what things are really important to you and talk to her about those things. IMO her routine getting thrown out the window one day isn't going to do much harm. But if that's something that's really important to you, then talk to her about it. But if not eating ice cream is more important, let the routine thing slide and focus on getting her to feed DD healthy foods.
    Agreed. And I'd also let her know that, say, ice cream one day during a special outing is one thing, ice cream every day for snack is another. So it doesn't have to always be done "your" way, as long as the general framework you have in place stays there.
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  • edited September 2013
    Emerald27 said:
    KC_13 said:
    I guess I'm going to be the odd man out and disagree with what most everyone else said. I think it's completely typical for parents to give unsolicited advice. Heck, every stranger you meet likes to give it too. It comes with the territory. Yes, it's annoying. Yes, it's probably inspired by some offense that you're not choosing to raise your child the same way since it indirectly implies your parents messed up in some way. It's not worth severing your relationship with your mother over. When she gives "advice", say thanks but what were doing right now is working for our family and change the subject. End of story.

    In terms of grandparents not following rules and routines, I would not expect them to! A grandparents job is to spoil their grandchildren. Throughout their life, a child will adapt to different sets of rules. Their teacher is not going to handle situations the identical way you would nor is their soccer coach going to have the same rules. I mean of course there are some deal breakers--if my parents spanked one of my children they would lose the privilege to watch them without me there. Everything else is flexible. Being so controlling and not allowing them to learn from others does your child a great disservice IMO.


    Well put! I sort of see the OP's frustration but more often than not, I don't understand/relate to these posts where people complain about their parents or IL's. I've learned to lighten up a TON when it comes to my mom watching DS. She loves him, makes sure he's safe and listens to me on the very important issues so the rest I just have to let go.

    OP, I think this all might be worse for you because you don't have a close relationship with your mom and I'm sorry about that. Hope you can work something out that you are happy with.

    I think part of the reason for these posts is that we (especially new or first time moms) are trying our best, following our instincts and doing what we think is right, and it really rattles your confidence to be told so often and by the people you love that you're doing it wrong. It's one thing for advice to be offered, and another for your mom or MIL to tell you every time she sees you that you're doing a huge disservice to your newborn child by holding her so often (your coddling will give her separation issues and she'll struggle to be independent) or by bedsharing (you're creating a terrible habit that will be so hard to break. She'll never sleep in her own space!) or whatever the criticism of the day is. Most often (from my mom, at least), the advice isn't: "I've always heard its best to/ good to do xyz..." but, rather it's: "Because you do abc, you are going to make your life horribly difficult and ruin your child forever). It's hard to take, especially when you hear it often and are still trying to figure this parenting thing out yourself. I think this is a great place to ask for help regarding criticism. It's so important to surround yourself with a good support network, with people who will affirm your hard work and that you're doing your best, with people who've been there and know what you're going through, and who can tell you that everything is and will be ok.

    I don't know-it seems like if others rattle your confidence you need to work on your own self esteem instead of avoiding people. Even if you molded your parenting to what others felt was "right" there would always be something others would find fault with. My parents were cool with bed sharing but no lie they criticized the kind of socks I put on my sons feet last spring. I'm not kidding. Criticism is a part of life and you have to let it go in one ear and out the other. If not you're going to have a really tough time with parenthood regardless of what you're doing.
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  • @Ncib13 Please don't feel bad for me! ;) I just meant to say that I really do understand where these posters are coming from. DH and I lived with my mom for the first 8 months of DS' life, and my parenting has unfortunately been very hard on our relationship (there is more to it than just parenting stuff, of course). My point really was just that I get it - I understand how significant an impact can be made by persistent criticism.

    @KC_13 I have learned to let my mom's criticism flow out the other ear as soon as I hear it. And she really doesn't criticize as much as she hsed to...er, now she criticizes other things. Lol.

    It took time for me to come to terms with the fact that my mom and I would not be able to resolve some of our differences, and it wasn't easy, and I didn't want to dismiss or diminish the challenge some mothers face with criticism from loved ones. That's all. NBD. :)
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  • It depends on the situation. Only you can decide if issues with a family member are serious enough to justify not having that person be part of your child's life. Not all grandparents are a positive influence in their grandchildren's lives. There are some that are better off without them. Of course there are other grandparents who are truly a blessing. Hard to know which you have without standing in your shoes...
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