Ramzi's method?

Megazelda · August 2013

I cant tell which side of my uterus my placenta is on from my sonograms but im going to ask at my next ultrasound. just curious if people can ask and then post what they're having? Check out the Ramzi method:

https://pregnancy.about.com/od/genderpredictions1/ss/Ramzis-Method-To-Determine-Fetal-Gender.htm

ziggy903 · August 2013

We've talked about this many times.
It's complete crap. No embryo thinks to themselves, "I'm going to have a penis, better get on that side of the ute!"

Megazelda · August 2013

I've heard that it has to do with chromosomes and which side they implant on. Once again, just curious if people could ask at their visit and post. I presume in the past many didn't know the results but around this time perhaps there are some answers with all these gender ultrasounds happening. Ziggy, you don't have to participate if you'd prefer not to.

Firefly9 · August 2013

It's too early to put my librarian hat on, I haven't had coffee yet. I'll get back with you in an hour and a half. Or search my posts for a real, scientific study that debunks this.

ETA: Typo. See? Too early.

Cmarx · August 2013

It's false sorry. I work at an OBGYN office and asked the ultrasound tech. She laughed and said no way! Then asked where I saw this information, Pinterest. Sorry to say but you can't believe everything you read or hear.

ziggy903 · August 2013

But why would I ask about something that means absolutely nothing? The side that your baby implanted on has nothing to do with what genitals they will one day have. It has a lot to do with what was nearby.

And I'm sorry, I have much bigger things on my mind these days than what side my child implanted on. I'm much more concerned about the general health of my baby.

Please lurk a bit before you ask questions- we talked about this earlier this week. It cant be too far from the first couple pages. You would easily know what the board consensus is from our previous chat.

ziggy903 · August 2013

Cmarx said:
It's false sorry. I work at an OBGYN office and asked the ultrasound tech. She laughed and said no way! Then asked where I saw this information, Pinterest. Sorry to say but you can't believe everything you read or hear.

Hi, I like you. You should be more active with your truthin skills!

slwprincess · August 2013

Lurk and learn people. Lurk and learn.

Cmarx · August 2013

ziggy903 said:

Cmarx said:
It's false sorry. I work at an OBGYN office and asked the ultrasound tech. She laughed and said no way! Then asked where I saw this information, Pinterest. Sorry to say but you can't believe everything you read or hear.
Hi, I like you. You should be more active with your truthin skills!

I'm on here a lot, but mainly just reading. I only use the app on my phone and am normally to lazy to type out a long message. This time I just wanted to help set the record straight. Pregnancy has even made my fingers tired!

Megazelda · August 2013

I don't get it. I asked a question for fun and curiosity. This just happened to amerk too. Why are you all trying to debunk and rain on my parade?? If I wanted real scientific evidence, I'd research it myself and ask my Obgyn. I was just curious what people were finding out now for their own personal case, sheesh!

SavannaM+ · August 2013

I agree with the other ladies, we've had this discussion more than once -& it's not legit. I certainly won't be asking my doctor which side my baby is implanted one. Like Ziggy said, there are many other concerns I have about my baby that are much more pressing than where he is growing.

Cmarx · August 2013

I'm sorry I'm not trying to rain on your parade. I was just letting you know what a professional said. I thought it was helpful so now you don't have to ask.

Ziggy, this is why I don't comment. Someone always gets upset and I don't want to come across as a jerk. All I was trying to do was help too!

ziggy903 · August 2013

@cmarx don't let people who don't want to hear the truth get you down. Most of the people on this board will like you.
No one will be making her happy. We see this a few times a week. She'll cause a fuss that were all meanies and she's never coming back... And the people who are smart and listen to common sense are left.

littlepig2 · August 2013

Megazelda said:
Why are you all trying to debunk and rain on my parade??

...because it's not true?? and this was JUST discussed? and I'm not asking my OB something so I can report back to someone I've never seen post before?

Jspagnuolo · August 2013

car seat said:
And what about placentas that form on the top? The front? The back? What are those babies, hermaphrodites?

It makes zero sense.

Yes, yes they are.

mamacrunch · August 2013

I am going to be nice.

If you are wanting to do it for fun like any old wives tale fine. Google. I have done them all! I see you intro'd this board in July.

Other than that you are fairly new to TB. I have been here for a long time.

This is how it works:

Find a board that pertains to you.
Lurk, lurk, lurk, (I lurked this board for 4 weeks before I intro'd)
intro.
think before you post. Go back and check if it has been asked before if so don't ask.
learn the people of the board. All boards are different attitudes. If this board doesn't like that don't post about it. Don't beat a dead horse kind of thing.

Also please stick around please don't GBCB on us. I hate that.

Edit I was thinking in my head fast than I was typing plus my toddler is screaming at me.

Firefly9 · August 2013

Here you go (again):

This summary of a study was found in Ultrasound in Obstetrics & Gynecology, Volume 36, Issue S1, a peer-reviewed scientific journal. This link might work: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/uog.8568/pdf I don't get why you'd want to put stock into something that has been scientifically proven.

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The role of placental location assessment in the prediction of fetal gender
S. The, L. Chan
Women’s Diagnostic Ultrasound, Sydney, NSW, Australia

Objectives: Our previous study of fetal gender prediction in early pregnancy by assessment of the genital tubercle has shown that the technique has an accuracy of about 85%. A recent study reported a strong association between placental location and fetal gender. We aimed to evaluate the utility of placental location and compare this with genital tubercle assessment in the prediction of fetal gender.

Methods: Placental location was recorded in 277 women with uncomplicated singleton pregnancies attending for routine obstetric ultrasound. Assessment of genital tubercle/phallus position was also performed with images obtained in the mid-sagittal plane in those patients presenting in first trimester. All examinations were performed transabdominally using a Philips IU22 ultrasound machine with C5–1 transducer. Imaging findings were correlated with fetal gender information from birth records.

Results: Of 277 fetuses, 159 were female and 118 were male. Placental location assessment showed that the placenta was located at the midline in 78 cases (28%). In 89 fetuses, the placenta was located on the right side and of these 45 (51%) were males. The placenta was located on the left side in 110 fetuses and 63 (57%) of these were female. Chi-square analysis confirmed poor correlation of placental location with fetal gender (P = 0.43 ns) and the relative
risk of having a boy if the placenta is on the right is 1.20 (95% CI 0.87–1.62). Assessment of genital tubercle was carried out in 153 fetuses and adequate visualisation was made in 108 (71%). 35 of 36 fetuses predicted to be male were male compared to 68 of 72 fetuses predicted to be female. The fetal gender was correctly predicted in 103 of 108 fetuses (95%).

Conclusions: There is no relationship between placental location and fetal gender. Ultrasound assessment of genital tubercle is a more useful tool for prediction of fetal gender in early pregnancy.

Megazelda · August 2013

Holy moly! This is craziness. I enjoyed reading a post this morning on having fun with guessing gender based on HR which is also an old wives tale and I thought it'd be fun to ask about peoples personal accounts of this method too. I never thought that my innocent post would stir the pot! Not that i think it matters, but I've been posting on this board for a while now but don't have a chance to post often and I'm mobile user. The feb board is supposed to be welcoming and nonjudgmental. No one should walk on eggshells for wanting to ask a question of any kind. Chill out people. I think if you have nothing positive or productive to add to the purpose if the discussion, then simply don't reply. No need to get all uppity. If you've seen something covered in a past post a simple, "check out this past convo" with a link would be a nice thing to do.
And for the record, firefly I thought you were being nice. I just didn't want people to think I was being all scientific about it, just asking a poll. If it's been posted recently I apologize but 1) its difficult to search old posts from mobile and 2) I haven't seen anyone's personal accounts like was discussed this morning regarding HR. Once again this was for fun, not serious science. I'm not mad or anything, I just want things to calm down. PS When I do find out the gender (hopefully at 20 week u/s next month) I'll ask where the placenta is just out of curiosity. ;;)

Megazelda · August 2013

Thanks bookshelves, I just don't understand why I deserved to be flamed but whatever. I guess I'll think twice about starting a discussion in the future.

ziggy903 · August 2013

quick question- you said you read a post about guessing sex based on HR.. did you really read that one? because i'm fairly sure we told her it's not science either. because it's not.

no one's mad, i just think that if you've been "posting on this board for awhile now" you would know that these things are total crap. and don't tell me it's tough on mobile, i'm usually on mobile too and it's pretty easy to go through a couple pages to at least see if we've talked about something within the last week.

Megazelda · August 2013

car seat said:
*side eye*

Okay. But FYI, according to the Ramzi's method ('science!') it's only the location of the placenta at approximately six weeks that means anything. It moves around a ton after that, so it doesn't really matter where your placenta will be at 20 weeks, even if you think this theory means anything.

You should probably chill out a bit. It's not that serious.

I didn't know the placenta moved around! Huh. Interesting.

calimama2007 · August 2013

Just wanted to point out that this is not a flaming.

Also, thanks for posting that study info, hadn't seen the full text of the conclusion before.

Firefly9 · August 2013

TyrannosaurusLex said:

Am I the only person who's ever read Ramzi's ACTUAL paper on this study? It was so badly written, with a lot of grammatical and spelling errors and very colloquial language in some parts. It struck me as a bit fishy. The data was fine (though I'm no stats expert), but not conclusive, and it was only one study which no one else has ever wanted to try to replicate from what I've been able to find. ETA: ok, obviously the Australians who did that comparative study also read his report too

I think someone did post it in a different thread. @car seat and @RondackHiker pointed out that it was a self-published article and not peer-reviewed--and, like you said, poorly written! I think the study I cited above is referencing the Ramzi one as being the other study that tried proving it. Here, about half way down page 2.

If I look up Ramzi in all of *our* databases we have at my library (we don't actually have a medical school yet, so don't have access to all peer-reviewed medical journals), NOTHING comes up when I search "Ramzi Method" or "Ramzi's Method" and I only get four studies published by him, none of which are about the placental placement theory.

ETA: typo in Rondack's name. Oops!

mom2case · August 2013

For what it's worth, I heard about this theory when I was only 7 weeks along. At my 8 week scan, I asked the tech what side the baby's placenta was forming on. The placenta is always to a side between 6-8 weeks which is the only time frame you can use the Ramzi method. At that time, I hadn't heard anything debunking it but I didn't put all of my faith in it or anything. The tech said she had heard of the method and told me the placenta was forming on the right. That meant boy. At my 13 week appointment, I had an anterior placenta. The placenta moved, as it often does. Anyway, the method was right for me. According to Ramzi's study, there was a 97% chance of it being right. In actuality, there was a 50% shot of it being right.

For all the methods, the ones that were RIGHT for me were the ring test, Ramzi method, Lunar-age Chinese calendar, the Mayan theory, and the nub theory (which is the only somewhat accurate method). The ones that were WRONG were heart rate, baking soda, Chinese Calendar, breaking out, sleep position, and skull theory.

Megazelda · August 2013

jaciandseth said:
For what it's worth, I heard about this theory when I was only 7 weeks along. At my 8 week scan, I asked the tech what side the baby's placenta was forming on. The placenta is always to a side between 6-8 weeks which is the only time frame you can use the Ramzi method. At that time, I hadn't heard anything debunking it but I didn't put all of my faith in it or anything. The tech said she had heard of the method and told me the placenta was forming on the right. That meant boy. At my 13 week appointment, I had an anterior placenta. The placenta moved, as it often does. Anyway, the method was right for me. According to Ramzi's study, there was a 97% chance of it being right. In actuality, there was a 50% shot of it being right.

For all the methods, the ones that were RIGHT for me were the ring test, Ramzi method, Lunar-age Chinese calendar, the Mayan theory, and the nub theory (which is the only somewhat accurate method). The ones that were WRONG were heart rate, baking soda, Chinese Calendar, breaking out, sleep position, and skull theory.

Thanks for playing along. I wish I had asked at my 6 and 7 week visits but I hadn't heard about this theory yet. Maybe someone can tell from my sonogram.

RondackHiker · August 2013

Megazelda said:

jaciandseth said:
For what it's worth, I heard about this theory when I was only 7 weeks along. At my 8 week scan, I asked the tech what side the baby's placenta was forming on. The placenta is always to a side between 6-8 weeks which is the only time frame you can use the Ramzi method. At that time, I hadn't heard anything debunking it but I didn't put all of my faith in it or anything. The tech said she had heard of the method and told me the placenta was forming on the right. That meant boy. At my 13 week appointment, I had an anterior placenta. The placenta moved, as it often does. Anyway, the method was right for me. According to Ramzi's study, there was a 97% chance of it being right. In actuality, there was a 50% shot of it being right.

For all the methods, the ones that were RIGHT for me were the ring test, Ramzi method, Lunar-age Chinese calendar, the Mayan theory, and the nub theory (which is the only somewhat accurate method). The ones that were WRONG were heart rate, baking soda, Chinese Calendar, breaking out, sleep position, and skull theory.

Thanks for playing along. I wish I had asked at my 6 and 7 week visits but I hadn't heard about this theory yet. Maybe someone can tell from my sonogram.

They can't because pictures can be printed backwards and angle of the shot matters.

Megazelda · August 2013

They can't because pictures can be printed backwards and angle of the shot matters.

Boo. Womp womp.

RondackHiker · August 2013

Megazelda said:
Thanks bookshelves, I just don't understand why I deserved to be flamed but whatever. I guess I'll think twice about starting a discussion in the future.

This was not a flaming.

This was you asking people to ask their OBs to tell them the sex of their baby based off of placenta placement.

People told you it was an inaccurate method so a waste of time.

You argued it had to do with chromosomes and asked people to ask again.

Again, people told you it was a waste of time and that it was completely inaccurate and the study totally bogus.

Then you said people were being harsh and you just were curious.

No one was mean. People were honest. I don't ask doctors time wasting questions like this. This study is not accurate. Implantation side tells you NOTHING.

Megazelda · August 2013

RondackHiker said:

Megazelda said:
Thanks bookshelves, I just don't understand why I deserved to be flamed but whatever. I guess I'll think twice about starting a discussion in the future.
This was not a flaming.

This was you asking people to ask their OBs to tell them the sex of their baby based off of placenta placement.

People told you it was an inaccurate method so a waste of time.

You argued it had to do with chromosomes and asked people to ask again.

Again, people told you it was a waste of time and that it was completely inaccurate and the study totally bogus.

Then you said people were being harsh and you just were curious.

No one was mean. People were honest. I don't ask doctors time wasting questions like this. This study is not accurate. Implantation side tells you NOTHING.

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