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jnsmith85 · August 2013

https://gma.yahoo.com/bradley-manning-now-chelsea-denied-hormones-prison-171103219--abc-news-health.html

The guy who leaked all those military secrets was recently sentenced to 35 years in prison. He is now saying he wants to become a woman and receive hormone therapy while in prison.

I would love to hear everyone's thought on this!!

As for mine... I am all for a person receiving this therapy if they have done their counseling to make sure it's what they really want to do! I wonder though, why he had never publicly said anything about wanting to be a woman until after he was sentenced. And my one BIG side eye would be why should tax payers have to pay for his treatment while he is prison? Doesn't exactly seem right!!

Amcdonnel1028 · August 2013

Agreed. My tax dollars going towards some looney guy that wants to wear heels in prison makes me livid. Strange how it's after he gets sentence.. :-?

blathnat · August 2013

I was a little surprised by the timing of the announcement, but I absolutely believe that transgender people deserve appropriate treatment even while incarcerated. To deny a trans person hormone therapy could have serious mental health impacts. Some courts have already found that denying hormone therapy, and even sexual reassignment surgery, constitutes cruel and abusive treatment.

Amcdonnel1028 · August 2013

mmgkms said:
I don't think you should receive shit while you're in prison. Period. End of story.

Totally agreed! Being in prison should be a PUNISHMENT. Not being catered to or getting special treatment. They should suffer. They're in there for a reason.

Our2miracles · August 2013

He is now announcing it because he knows that jails do provide hormonal therapy for transgender. I think he now is announcing it that way tax payers will fund it whether we like it or not. I just think it's fishy the timing of him announcing it.

jnsmith85 · August 2013

blathnat said:
I was a little surprised by the timing of the announcement, but I absolutely believe that transgender people deserve appropriate treatment even while incarcerated. To deny a trans person hormone therapy could have serious mental health impacts. Some courts have already found that denying hormone therapy, and even sexual reassignment surgery, constitutes cruel and abusive treatment.

So it's the taxpayers responsibility to pay for it, when the person that needs it is in prison?

blathnat · August 2013

jnsmith85 said:

I was a little surprised by the timing of the announcement, but I absolutely believe that transgender people deserve appropriate treatment even while incarcerated. To deny a trans person hormone therapy could have serious mental health impacts. Some courts have already found that denying hormone therapy, and even sexual reassignment surgery, constitutes cruel and abusive treatment.
So it's the taxpayers responsibility to pay for it, when the person that needs it is in prison?

The same way it would be the taxpayers responsibility to pay for any necessary medical care. If it is found to be medically necessary, then the prison should not deny the treatment.

CarolinaGirl411 · August 2013

mmgkms said:

I don't think you should receive shit while you're in prison. Period. End of story.

Yea! They get way too much as it is.

taylormarie923 · August 2013

Amcdonnel1028 said:

Agreed. My tax dollars going towards some looney guy that wants to wear heels in prison makes me livid. Strange how it's after he gets sentence.. :-?

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jnsmith85 · August 2013

blathnat said:

jnsmith85 said:

blathnat said:
I was a little surprised by the timing of the announcement, but I absolutely believe that transgender people deserve appropriate treatment even while incarcerated. To deny a trans person hormone therapy could have serious mental health impacts. Some courts have already found that denying hormone therapy, and even sexual reassignment surgery, constitutes cruel and abusive treatment.
So it's the taxpayers responsibility to pay for it, when the person that needs it is in prison?

The same way it would be the taxpayers responsibility to pay for any necessary medical care. If it is found to be medically necessary, then the prison should not deny the treatment.

And this is why some people commit crimes, because they know they will go to prison, and get the medical treatment they otherwise couldn't afford.

Our2miracles · August 2013

I worked in a jail and let me tell you prisoners get better health treatment than us pregnant women, children and other law abiding citizens. They get free HIV/aids treatment, asthma, mental health, chronic care, radiation, hormone therapy any medical care you can think of they get it for free. Jails even provide bras for transgenders with breast implants.

taylormarie923 · August 2013

Our2miracles said:

I worked in a jail and let me tell you prisoners get better health treatment than us pregnant women, children and other law abiding citizens. They get free HIV/aids treatment, asthma, mental health, chronic care, radiation, hormone therapy any medical care you can think of they get it for free. Jails even provide bras for transgenders with breast implants.

I'm curious, if you believe that these things should not be provided to inmates, how do you expect them to pay for these services? (This is a general question for every one up in arms about their tax dollars)

Our2miracles · August 2013

@dh13 nothing wrong with it I'm not comfortable watching anyone prance around with triple ddd breast. I'm just saying inmates get better healthcare than most law abiding citizens. Nothing we can do about it

SuperSecretStatus · August 2013

@btimes3 and @taylormarie923

Our2miracles · August 2013

@taylormarie923 where did I say it should not b provided I absolutely believe especially with mental health they need it all I'm saying is they get great healthcare better than most. We have no choice about it whether we like it or not simple.

yesthisiskim0401 · August 2013

Amcdonnel1028 said:

Agreed. My tax dollars going towards some looney guy that wants to wear heels in prison makes me livid. Strange how it's after he gets sentence.. :-?

What the fuck is going on around here? First the homophobia and now this?

I can't... I just can't...

taylormarie923 · August 2013

He obviously waited until now to announce this because the military would not support his decision. Having grown up with some one who went through gender identity issues, I can assure you all that this is not some crazy scheme she came up with to waste every body's tax dollars. She has most likely been struggling with this from a very young age (I knew my brother was born in the wrong body when he was 5, and probably because that is as far back as my memory goes. My mom knew when he was as young as 2).

As for all of you worried about your tax dollars, her hormone therapy will probably cost about the same amount as it takes to keep an 18 year old caught with an ounce of marijuana in jail. Tell me again how concerned you are about where those dollars are being spent.

Our2miracles · August 2013

@dh13 lol seriously I have the same size breast but in a prison environment it causes problems because its men that sexually deprived they start getting aggressive so yes they have and need bras.

taylormarie923 · August 2013

Our2miracles said:

@taylormarie923 where did I say it should not b provided I absolutely believe especially with mental health they need it all I'm saying is they get great healthcare better than most. We have no choice about it whether we like it or not simple.

If that was not what you were implying then I am confused as to why you posted anything at all.

Our2miracles · August 2013

@dh13 I think u honestly misunderstanding what I'm saying because I'm talking from experience inside a jail. I have has to deal with men that came in no bra on other inmates ready to attack n have to get them bras ASAP. This went left field fast but sorry talking from experience sorry you took it the wrong way.

Our2miracles · August 2013

@taylormarie923 because some were upset about tax money providing services. They do get better health care than most but in some instances it's needed.

Our2miracles · August 2013

@dh13 because ppl were upset about hormone therapy I've seen what it does to inmates makes them more violent and angry I'm jus saying its more than jus hormonal therapy they get they get whatever they need like little stuff like bras when they get into jails. Many HIV/aids victims only get meds when there in jail. It's alot I've seen and experience so I'm speaking from that end.

sleepy33 · August 2013

Our2miracles said:

@dh13 because ppl were upset about hormone therapy I've seen what it does to inmates makes them more violent and angry I'm jus saying its more than jus hormonal therapy they get they get whatever they need like little stuff like bras when they get into jails. Many HIV/aids victims only get meds when there in jail. It's alot I've seen and experience so I'm speaking from that end.

If the population of the prison where you work receives needed medical treatment and medications, then I am certainly happy to hear it. Where I live, prisoners are routinely denied a variety of medications for their mental illnesses (except for thorazine, though, that one still seems to be popular, hmmm I wonder why...). They are also denied any other type of therapy to help them cope with their mental illness.

Let me be clear, I say this not to compare being transgendered with mental illness, but only because I deal with people with mental illness as part of my occupation, so that is what I'm familiar with. However, I am QUITE sure the prison system in the state of Kansas (where Leavenworth is located, coincidentally, though obviously not regulated by our DOC) would not receive hormone therapy.

Our2miracles · August 2013

@dh13 if you feel that way then that's fine no need to back pedal here. I speak from experience and that's it. Everybody here don't have the same opinions.

taylormarie923 · August 2013

I'd also like to point out that she is facing a 35 year sentence. That's a long time to have to wait to finally start treatment if she were denied the treatment during her confinement.

Hormone therapy take a long time, this is not an overnight fix. And by the way, you think your pregnancy hormones are crazy? Nothing compared to gender reassignment hormone therapy.

norbert5 · August 2013

I don't want to come off as sounding ignorant but it we had a national healthcare system wouldn't this be a non-issue because prisoners and the general population would (should?) be getting the same care.

Not trying to open up another can of worms.

Original topic: If the doctors find it necessary for his mental health then it is necessary treatment and therefore NBD to me.

sleepy33 · August 2013

taylormarie923 said:

I'd also like to point out that she is facing a 35 year sentence. That's a long time to have to wait to finally start treatment if she were denied the treatment during her confinement.

Hormone therapy take a long time, this is not an overnight fix. And by the way, you think your pregnancy hormones are crazy? Nothing compared to gender reassignment hormone therapy.

Sidenote, but I heard on NPR they are guessing she will be released on parole within about 9 years.

taylormarie923 · August 2013

sleepy33 said:

taylormarie923 said:

I'd also like to point out that she is facing a 35 year sentence. That's a long time to have to wait to finally start treatment if she were denied the treatment during her confinement.

Hormone therapy take a long time, this is not an overnight fix. And by the way, you think your pregnancy hormones are crazy? Nothing compared to gender reassignment hormone therapy.

Sidenote, but I heard on NPR they are guessing she will be released on parole within about 9 years.

Ok, that's not as bad then. By that point hormone therapy should be complete and she will be ready for major surgery.

Our2miracles · August 2013

@sleepy33 it all depends on funding. In NYC it's written into the budget. One of the requirements is we have to check to see if they were recieving hormone therapy and we keep up with it while they are there.

sleepy33 · August 2013

Our2miracles said:

@sleepy33 it all depends on funding. In NYC it's written into the budget. One of the requirements is we have to check to see if they were recieving hormone therapy and we keep up with it while they are there.

I am sure you can imagine that public funding for almost everything is quite different in NYC than it is in Kansas.

Our2miracles · August 2013

@sleepy83 yes i can just imagine. Most of them are great advocates for themselves anyway they know their rights when they come in.

yesthisiskim0401 · August 2013

@amcdonnel1028 I would really love for you to come back and explain to me how you thought that asinine comment was a good one to make after yesterdays shitshow. I mean, really.

Phalaenopsis · August 2013

Amcdonnel1028 said:

I don't think you should receive shit while you're in prison. Period. End of story.
Totally agreed! Being in prison should be a PUNISHMENT. Not being catered to or getting special treatment. They should suffer. They're in there for a reason.

Um, what? Prisoners are the only people in this country who by law, the 8th amendment, have a right to health care. We don't, but they do. The suffering you speak of would be cruel and unusual punishment. That said, in this case, hormone therapy/ gender reassignment surgery is not medically necessary, so I dont think the prison/taxpayers are obligated to foot the bill. It is typically classified as a cosmetic procedure and many insurance companies wont cover it. MAYBE if he was driven into a state of psychosis that made him suicidal oukd it be necessary, but that's a long shot. Personally, I couldn't care less about this story, he leaked classified information, put our national security in jeopardy, he's deservedly going to prison for a long time and the rest is a distraction.

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