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Toddlers: 12 - 24 Months
ginafun
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Unbiased vaccnine information
ginafun
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Hi there,
I'm a FTM to a happy, healthy 14 month old. She was breastfed until her first birthday. She has been incredibly healthy, with the exception a mild case of rosiola a few months ago. She was on schedule with all her shots up until 6 months when I started doing more research on vaccines. I have read Dr. Sears' The Vaccine Book. I like that, as a pediatrician, he gives you all the information of what is in each vaccine, as well as a delayed schedule if you do decide to continue with vaccines.
I, along with my husband, are honestly having a hard time making up our minds because it is so difficult to find honest, unbiased info. Some will say you are putting all other children at risk for not getting vaccines. Well, that's not true. Many vaccinated children get ill. Our daughter has stayed home with me this year, so her immune system never became overwhelmed with sickness and viruses contracted from day cares. Also, others will say all vaccines are dangerous and horrible. I don't know that I believe that either.
I know that I do not feel good about her getting the MMR because there are very valid arguments that parents have about the possible connection to autism. Say what you will about research, I find it very odd that so many children began showing autism spectrum disorder signs right after they received their MMR. I also don't feel right about the polio vaccine because the last recorded case was so long ago. Why put that stuff in her body? Also, the HPV vaccine seems ridiculous to me. But that's just me.
I don't think vaccines are completely useless. I think they have their place. But I don't trust the greed of the multi-million dollar industry and I think too many pediatricians are not educated well in answering parent's legitimate concerns and questions regarding HOW MANY vaccines children are receiving now.
Also, I didn't want to give her the chicken pox vaccine because I got it as a kid and did just fine building up an immunity. The problem is though, who will she get it from if all of her friends/classmates will be getting the vaccine? How will she contract it naturally and build up the anti-bodies needed to build immunity?
I don't want to start a vaccine debate, so please be respectful, and avoid general statements by saying "you should do this" or "families should do that". It's a very personal decisions.
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Re: Unbiased vaccnine information
I have a couple of thoughts on this topic. As far the MMR vaccine and autism. The study that connected the two of those was debunked last year. The doctor fixed the results to make it look like there was a connection when there wasn't one. All of the other people on that study have requested that their names be taken off it, as they don't want to be linked with an untruth. Autism generally starts to show signs around the same age as children are when they get the MMR. It's a coincidence, not a correlation. I think a lot parents are looking for any answer when they get the autism diagnosis and that's an easy one, but it's not proven to be true at all.
As far as chicken pox goes, the deal is that with all the vaccines and new medications, the disease is getting stronger. The chicken pox of today is a more virulent form than what we got as kids (as I, too, survived it just fine as a child). The people she would get it from are other children who aren't vaccinated, or adults who never got vaccinated because it wasn't common when they were young.
As far as any other vaccines, definitely get the tetanus one. That disease is way worse than any possible side effects and it's the one I feel most strongly about LO getting. For what it's worth, my 15 month old has gotten all of her vaccines on the "normal" schedule and is fine. She still got colds all winter from daycare, but nothing beyond that. My niece got all of her vaccines as well and is a happy, healthy 7 year old. For every parent who will tell you what I did, you'll find another who says that their child suffered horrible side effects, or got sick anyway. Go with your gut. I personally believe that all children should get all vaccinations, whether it be a regular or delayed schedule.
Hope this helps!
Married DH 7/30/11
CSC arrived 5/7/12
CHC arrived 6/2/14
Married DH 7/30/11
CSC arrived 5/7/12
CHC arrived 6/2/14
Married DH 7/30/11
CSC arrived 5/7/12
CHC arrived 6/2/14
The problem with that argument is that we can't possibly know the answer unless we stopped vaccinating and open up the possiblity of being wrong and subjecting another generation to this disease. I, for one, cannot support that possibility. While they may not need it, if you're theory is true, it's not hurting the majority of the children who get the vaccine, so why not be safe?
Married DH 7/30/11
CSC arrived 5/7/12
CHC arrived 6/2/14
I have two autistic cousins, and I love them dearly. i would rather have an autistic child than no child at all. If my child caught one the diseases she should have been vaccinated for and died, I would never forgive myself. autism is manageable for many families, and many people who have it lead full and happy lives. I think one of the reasons some kids supposedly show symptoms of being on the spectrum is because they receive the mmr so young, around the age that symptoms would first begin to show in an unvaccinated child anyway.
I will be getting the hpv vaccine for my daughter when she turns 12. Different strains can cause things ranging from infertility to genital warts to cervical cancer. many hpv symptoms do not show in males and doctors do not check for it on blood or physical tests because of this. so your daughters future sexual partners many have it and pass it to her. Even if your daughter is smart and has her partners tested for stds before sleeping with them, since doctors don't check males for hpv it would be a huge risk. And newflash, 80 percent of women have some form of hpv, so how many men do you think have it?
We chose to do the chicken pox vaccine because it puts you at less risk for having shingles later. Shingles mostly happens in the elderly but it can happent to kids and young adults too. My mom had it twice and it is very painful. So painful that it kills some elderly people who are already weak when they get it. Didn't want that for my daughter either.
It doesn't really sound like you're truly looking for "unbiased" reports because you already seem fairly entrenched in your beliefs. You had to know posting this question - even under the guise that you're open to information - was going to stir things up. As a pp suggested - maybe you should check out websites like the CDC or AAP. But, if you're not willing to accept medical professionals other than Dr. Sears as "unbiased," I think you are going to have a hard time finding what you're looking for.
In 1952, there were 57,879 cases of polio in the United States, and 3,145 deaths.
In 1960, there were 3,190 cases and 230 deaths.
In 1970, there were 33 cases and 7 deaths.
Guess what happened in 1955? That was the year the US began widespread polio vaccinations.
https://archive.hhs.gov/nvpo/concepts/intro6.htm
Married DH 7/30/11
CSC arrived 5/7/12
CHC arrived 6/2/14
Okay, first of all, being called a "moron" or "dumb" is taking the easy way out. It takes absolutely no intelligence to name call. That's what bullies do.
Second of all, if ANY of you who think Dr. Sears is anti-vaccine had read his book, you would in fact learn that the purpose of his book is to educate parents who are inquiring about what is in each vaccine, the reported side effects to the vaccines as well as the side effects or consequences to contracting the disease that the vaccine is trying to prevent.
How many of YOU have taken the time to know what you're talking about, or is it just easier to bully when there are others supporting your views? Go read The Vaccine Book before you try to act like you know what you are talking about. I'm done.
Most of you (except the lady whose husband was a nurse and actually took the time to explain herself) have proven why parents who actually want to learn all sides to an issue feel as though they cannot take it publically. They will be verbally stoned. Good-bye. I'll take my questions elsewhere.
Here's a counterpoint to the Dr. Sears book:
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/cashing-in-on-fear-the-danger-of-dr-sears/
This measles outbreak just happened recently in our area:
https://www.wfaa.com/news/health/tarrant-county-measles-shot-immunization-220240121.html
I'm glad I vaccinated our LO b/c people (even in my own family) travel in and out of this country to unvaccinated areas of the world. Your child will not only come in contact with vaccinated individuals in their lifetime, so we have to protect them as best we can. I was nervous also about vaccines just due to general reactions that have occurred in our family, not autism, but rashes that put my niece in the hospital. Now that we are having an outbreak I am glad I got her vaccinated.
I also know 3 adults that suffer from shingles, which you get if you had chicken pox as a child. They are miserable and in pain, so I chose to vaccinate her for that also.
I am a medical professional, so I have seen vaccine reactions, but I have also seen death from preventable diseases... such as tetanus. That is my professional and personal argument for vaccines. Good luck.