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Crushed- Second SA

CindalCindal member
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We recieved the results today. No live sperm. 2 dead sperm. Ph and viscosity are still high. We're crushed. After four months and successfully beating the diabetes into submission we'd hoped for some improvement, but instead things got visciously worse. From 175000/ml to 0. :(
I keep trying to go over the reasons that could have caused this. Maybe just maybe the uti and high grade fever he had about two and half weeks ago coupled with the antibiotics wiped the slate clean so to speak and killed off everything. I don't know if that's a possibility or not.
I do know we will not be going back to URO who insisted the diabetes was the cause of his abnormal results. If we have to drive the two hours to a fertility clinic or other specialist to get some real answers than so be it.
DH has called his primary care doc to see if she would be willing to prescribe him clomid since so many ladies dh's seem to have had success. That Uro said he didn't believe in clomid for men. I am so angry and frustrated with him.
I want to cry and scream and hit things. We are good people darn'it. This shouldn't be happening, not to us and not you guys. IF SUCKS!

TTC since March of 2012
Me: 27 Dh: 35 Testing Begins 3/5/13
Six SA's show DH has low numbers across the board = severe MFI
Genetic testing for me = MTHFR+, also carrier for blood clotting disorder Otherwise all else normal
Dh's karotype= Normal!!
 Mini-IVF/ICSI - July -August 2014 - 1R,M,&F Transferred 1 Grade 1 Morula-5dt - BFFN


 
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  • gsanchogsancho member
    So frustrating!  I'm sorry...I wish I had advice or words of wisdom - I just don't have much knowledge on MFI.  But hopefully getting some better 2nd/3rd opinions and new docs helps.


    Me 33, DH 37 -- TTC since Jan'12 -- Low AMH (0.78) & endo, SA w/ low motility
    IUI's 1-3 = BFN, IVF converted to IUI 4/13 = BFN
    IVF 1.2: 8R 6M 4F -- 2 blastocysts frozen, FET 8/15 = BFP!!
    Beta #s = 445;1,098; 9,545  -- EDD 5/2 -- Team Pink!
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  • jschwind22jschwind22 member
    Oh honey I'm so, so sorry.  I hope that you are able to get a doctor who listens and helps.  It just makes things so much worse when you don't feel like you are in good hands.  ((hugs))
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  • happygirl1013happygirl1013 member
    We are in the same boat- ZERO sperm.  If it makes you feel better, find comfort that they can do more for men than women when it comes to infertility.  Don't give up hope.  If you are in the NYC area, our urologist is awesome (his boss created ICSI)- Weill Cornell, Dr. Paduch.  I'm so sorry you are going through such a rough time, but know you aren't alone.  HUGS :-)

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  • TLooney17TLooney17 member
    I'm so sorry to hear this. I would definitely change doctors. It does not sound like your current doctor is willing/able to give you the help and support that you need.

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    TTC #1 January 2009
    January 2010 SA results: Count 16 million, Motility 40%, Morphology 2%
    January 2010- Surprise BFP! DS born 10/1/2010 :)
    January 2013 TTC #2
    September 2013 Repeat SA: Count= 1.7 million, Motility= 24%, Morphology= 2%
    November 6th 1st Appointment with RE: diagnosed with severe MFI
    Testing to try to determine a cause & possible treatment for MFI
    CD 3 blood work for me. RE does not want to repeat my HSG/lap at this point,
    but may want to before moving forward with any fertility treatments.
    After seeing the uro, DH is currently taking lots of supplements and clomid to try to boost his count. We will have a repeat SA in February to see if it works.
    Follow up SA numbers are: Count= 4 million, Motility= 40%, Morphology= 1%
    Uro wants us to have another follow up SA 5/9 to see if we see further improvement than we are back to the RE to make a game plan.

    SA 5/9/2014 Count: 12 Million, Motility: 60%, and Morphology 2%. We will be doing iui #1 in late June

    IUI #1 6/28 clomid + ovidrel, post wash count 3 million total sperm= BFN

    IUI # 2 7/21 clomid+ ovidrel. post wash count 900,000 total sperm= BFN

    IVF planned for early November- cancelled due to cyst

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  • katib77katib77 member
    I am so sorry for the bad news, bit I agree anyy meds he was on might contribute. When my husband was on steroids for an allergic reaction he went from OK numbers to only two sperm found. We waited a few more months and hia numbers went back to his normal, which while still MFI were better than nothing.

    TTC since July 2009. Dx MFI & LPD. 
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    IUI#5 BFN (April 2013)
    IVF w/ICSI Oct. 2, 2012 - 13R, 11M, 7F, 1 frozen blast 4BB grade - - - FET Nov 15, 2013
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  • Love4ScienceLove4Science member
    edited August 2013
    So sorry that you got such bad news today.  I can't even imagine how devastating news like that must be.

    It seems logical that a high fever (in the 101+ range?) would cause some decrease in sperm count and since your DH's was lower to begin with, it seems plausible that a fever could have wiped him out.  Also, a UTI probably didn't help.  A book I'm reading (Making Babies by Dr. Sami David), Dr. David says that a number of his male patients with low sperm count have an underlying UTI that has been undiagnosed, so maybe treating this will ultimately be a good thing!

    I would agree with PP that you need to find a new doctor.  "I don't believe in Clomid for men" simply means "I don't know enough about it or care to learn anything" (let me guess, the Uro is old and near retirement).  The fact that your DH went from some sperm to no sperm definitely indicates that something is/was up.
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  • PrdUSMCWyfPrdUSMCWyf member
    So sorry, I hope you are able to find a doctor that can offer you more options.  
    Me 36, Married TTC Since 2009
    HSG = blocked tubes in March 2011
    (Would have started work up sooner but husband deployed in 2010)
    Tubes unblocked successfully in June 2011
    TTC naturally no success (Husband deployed again in2011
    Clomid IUI 3 rounds- Dec 2012, Jan. 2013, Feb. 2013 Failed
    IUI # 4 Follistim/Ganirelix/Ovidrel/Progesterone Supp.- April 2013-Failed
    IUI # 5 Follistim/Ganirelix/Ovidrel/Progesterone Supp - June 2013-Failed
    IUI # 6 Follistim/Ganirelix/Ovidrel/Progesterone Supp - June 2013-Failed
    On a break while husband is deployed.  Will try to do more testing and prepare for IVF
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  • MikiMouse326MikiMouse326 member
    My hubby is on clomid because his testosterone is low and with blood work they said his counts are up because of it, I think you should see a new urologist. One that specializes in MFI would be better. I still need to get him to do another SA to know what is going on there though. My H has diabetes as well. GL to you!
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  • shelbeans82shelbeans82 member
    I'm so sorry Cindal.  I was rooting for it to be a great one!  I hope your DH isn't taking it too hard and knows he has done a great job getting his diabetes under control.  ((Hugs))
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    Feb-April 2013: Femara + TI: BFN
    May - September 2013:  Follistim + Ovidrel + IUI#1-4 = BFN
    IVF # 1 November 2013: transferred 1 perfect blast = BFN
    IVF # 2 April 2014: Endo scrape, transferred 2 blasts = BFP!! (first ever!), CP
    FET #1 June 2014: transferred 2 blasts = BFFN
    New Dx: Repeat Implantation Failure
     IVF # 3 November 2014 = BFP!!  Beta #1 9dp5t 272  Beta # 2 11dp5dt 626
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