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I'm bored at work and thought it might be interesting to hear unpopular opinions, BF related or not. Anyone?
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  • Lavender PLavender P member
    Mine is that I hate volkswagen Beetles. I think they are ugly cars that look like they should be in a cartoon.
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    The NEW Beetles have a Porsche look to them. ;-)
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  • Lavender PLavender P member
    andrea99 said:


    Lavender P said:

    Mine is that I hate volkswagen Beetles. I think they are ugly cars that look like they should be in a cartoon.

    You take that back!  Right now!  I want a new Beetle sooo bad it makes me want to cry.

    Sorry. I told you it was unpopular but I hate those damn cars. The ladies at work were talking about how cute they are and it was killing me not to say anything so I'm sharing it here!
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  • Lavender PLavender P member
    @Illumine, I don't know if that is an unpopular opionion as I totally agree with you. I think she is ignorant, irresponsible and dangerous for our kids.
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  • fellesferiefellesferie member
    Mine is that I'd like to leave the US. I'd theoretically JUMP at the opportunity to expatriate. DH has job opportunities, but it's not something we seriously pursue because of our blended situation. In fact, my CO explicitly permits me to live anywhere in the US but prevents me from moving abroad.

    It's not that I hate it here. I just don't LOVE it either. I think there are good things and bad things--just like every other country.
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  • twitchy4twitchy4
    Where would you go, or like to go, given the opportunity?
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    Mine is that I have no desire to read or watch that 50 Shades book.
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  • Lavender PLavender P member
    @fellesferie, I want to do that too! DH and I have talked about it extensively. His CO doesn't bar him from moving, but it does for BM, but it is just not the right time for us. DH lived abroad for a fee years in the military and wants to move again. Hopefully one day...I love London and would move there in a heartbeat.
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    In my dream world, Scandinavia, Germany, or the UK (not London, though--too expensive). But for a great job opportunity, I'd go pretty much anywhere just for the experience. 

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  • Lavender PLavender P member
    @Illumine, i usually stay out of the mommy wars too, but vaccination arguments make me crazy. The pediatric office I take my DS allows for delayed vaccines based on which doctor you have. My DS's doctor does not allow it nor would i want her too. One woman who brings her DS there was a huge advocate of alternate vaccine schedules. She blogged about it and made sure everyone knew that it was the 'right' thing to do for babies sothey would have time to adjust between shots. Her poor DS caught an illness that was easily preventable from a vaccine that she choose not to have and is now deaf. She has completely changed her blog and now it is all about how you have to stick to the schedule. It is so sad to me that this poor baby will never hear because his mom thought she knew better then the doctors. Obviously this isn't always the case and is so unfortunate, but I'm glad that she is making it her mission to inform other parents now.
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  • fellesferiefellesferie member
    Lavender P I wish I could turn back the clock and live in London, Paris, & Rome before I had kids. As fun as it would be to be in the middle of everything, I can't imagine us all being in a shoebox, lol. 
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  • Lavender PLavender P member
    @Fellesferie, my DH and I went to all three of those cities a few years back on a trip to Europe. I fell in love with all of them, but DH hated Paris. We agreed that we would have to make it a point to live in Italy and the UK at some time during our lives. If we move first, you can visit us in our shoebox :)
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    andrea99 said:
    Lavender P said:
    Mine is that I hate volkswagen Beetles. I think they are ugly cars that look like they should be in a cartoon.
    You take that back!  Right now!  I want a new Beetle sooo bad it makes me want to cry.
    I also love them. old and new. I really want an older one but I know it would be so expensive to rebuild if needed!
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    @Lavender P Back at you! If we ever make the move, you can come squeeze in anytime. I have actually looked at houses & flats in a lot of these cities. I'm so masochistic!

    Gah, Rome. So much amazingness. 

    @andrea99 I did not study abroad because of a boy. I didn't want to be apart for 4 months. Biggest. Regret. Ever.

    You should travel with your SD, though. Before you have a baby. If you go in off/shoulder seasons and set a budget it's honestly not bad money-wise. 
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  • Lavender PLavender P member
    andrea99 said:


    fellesferie said:

    Lavender P I wish I could turn back the clock and live in London, Paris, & Rome before I had kids. As fun as it would be to be in the middle of everything, I can't imagine us all being in a shoebox, lol. 

    I'm the same way.  If I hadn't met DH so young, I feel like I would have done a lot more traveling.  I was set on studying abroad, but I met DH and even though we were already long distance, I just "couldn't imagine being that far away."  Barf.  I should've gone.

    I didn't study abroad because of my boyfriend at the time too. Except we broke up a few years after college and it is my single biggest regret in life. I still get sad hearing my friends remincr about their study abroad trips.

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    Ilumine said:
    Lavender P said:
    @Illumine, I don't know if that is an unpopular opionion as I totally agree with you. I think she is ignorant, irresponsible and dangerous for our kids.
    I was such a "non mommy wars" person (actually, I might have been a bit judgy over moms who actually judged, but that is another post) until I experienced the fall out. 

    in 2009, France had just under 5000 new cases of the measles.  By April 2010, there were just over 4,000 new cases of the measles.  The most of the cases were not the poor immigrants, but the young adult children of the white middle class crunchy french folks who decided that they were above the shots (this was before Jenny McCarthy so I am not sure why they choose not to immunize their kids). 

    And let's talk about the Whooping Cough outbreak in my tiny little burg in Germany.  I had to keep Monkey inside/safe for the first 3 months we were there because she was had not finished her schedule yet. 

    Here's the thing, I DO believe that big business can influence governments.  But I also recognize human nature for what it is. There is NO WAY there can be an international cover-up/conspiracy without someone spilling the beans. 

    So no, the big drug companies are not hiding the results to make profits.  

    And yes, I do believe that some children are affected by the shots.  Just like some children are allergic/sensitive to peanuts or latex or that first sip of alcohol (if they have the alcohol gene).  But that does not mean that you do not weigh the risks between killing your child (and possibly other children) and the possibility of autism, which again has not been proven to be tied to the immunizations. 
    {standing ovation}

    This issue makes me spitting mad.  The whole autism BS caused a worldwide scare and left so many children at risk for diseases because some quack of a Dr lied and manipulated his findings in an effort to gain notoriety and a bunch of uneducated "celebrities" ran their mouths about the false findings.  

    BM didn't vaccinate K properly based on the autism scare (BM's half-brother is autistic so she thought K was more at risk to develop it as well).  DH had no idea until he took K to her physical when she was 4 and we found out she was so far behind on vaccines, they basically had to start all over again.  It was awful.  At that appt K had to have 6 shots and was miserable.  Still to this day, BM swears that the findings were accurate and that we put K at risk of developing autism.  


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    MelRC117 said:
    Lavender P said:
    @Illumine, i usually stay out of the mommy wars too, but vaccination arguments make me crazy. The pediatric office I take my DS allows for delayed vaccines based on which doctor you have. My DS's doctor does not allow it nor would i want her too. One woman who brings her DS there was a huge advocate of alternate vaccine schedules. She blogged about it and made sure everyone knew that it was the 'right' thing to do for babies sothey would have time to adjust between shots. Her poor DS caught an illness that was easily preventable from a vaccine that she choose not to have and is now deaf. She has completely changed her blog and now it is all about how you have to stick to the schedule. It is so sad to me that this poor baby will never hear because his mom thought she knew better then the doctors. Obviously this isn't always the case and is so unfortunate, but I'm glad that she is making it her mission to inform other parents now.


    I know that Allstate commercial is a joke, but I feel there are way too many people that are that girl that believes they can't post anything on the internet that isn't true.


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  • HopeforthebestHopeforthebest member

    Here is my UO.

     I do not find it cute or funny to dress kids on a normal day (not Halloween) like a punk. Fake sleeve tattoos, mohawks, etc.  Or like little prostiTOTs. 

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    Hopeforthebest said:

    Here is my UO.

     I do not find it cute or funny to dress kids on a normal day (not Halloween) like a punk. Fake sleeve tattoos, mohawks, etc.  Or like little prostiTOTs. 

    like the glued stand-straight-up mohawks? DS has a mohawk cut but he usually doesn't want anything put in it, so it doesn't stand up at all but you can still see the cut.
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    Hopeforthebest said:

    Here is my UO.

     I do not find it cute or funny to dress kids on a normal day (not Halloween) like a punk. Fake sleeve tattoos, mohawks, etc.  Or like little prostiTOTs. 


    Mine is I don't like Mohawks. Like at all. I would tell you why but I don't want to offend PP.
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    No offense, I'm actually really curious why people don't like them.
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    Lavender P said:
    @Illumine, i usually stay out of the mommy wars too, but vaccination arguments make me crazy. The pediatric office I take my DS allows for delayed vaccines based on which doctor you have. My DS's doctor does not allow it nor would i want her too. One woman who brings her DS there was a huge advocate of alternate vaccine schedules. She blogged about it and made sure everyone knew that it was the 'right' thing to do for babies sothey would have time to adjust between shots. Her poor DS caught an illness that was easily preventable from a vaccine that she choose not to have and is now deaf. She has completely changed her blog and now it is all about how you have to stick to the schedule. It is so sad to me that this poor baby will never hear because his mom thought she knew better then the doctors. Obviously this isn't always the case and is so unfortunate, but I'm glad that she is making it her mission to inform other parents now.

    Its just really awful that her LO has to be the one to live with her mistake.

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    It is so awful that her child had to live with her poor choices, but if you look at it philosophically, in hindsight all kids live with their parent's mistakes: Some much more grave then others.
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    @Lavender P @Illumine @jobalchek Loving all the vaccine posts. I actually almost started an update thread today about my vacc. court case, but didn't want to draw to much attention to it. I hd one last conversation w exh before I file. The stupid that was flying from his mouth was incredible. It is so amazing to me that people can believe such garbage. All his beliefs were based on total BS! And I kept saying, what are you afraid of. DC is 9, she won't get autism, even if that was a possibility. He just kept saying "reactions happen". It was like talking to a wall.
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    @Lavender P @Illumine @jobalchek Loving all the vaccine posts. I actually almost started an update thread today about my vacc. court case, but didn't want to draw to much attention to it. I hd one last conversation w exh before I file. The stupid that was flying from his mouth was incredible. It is so amazing to me that people can believe such garbage. All his beliefs were based on total BS! And I kept saying, what are you afraid of. DC is 9, she won't get autism, even if that was a possibility. He just kept saying "reactions happen". It was like talking to a wall.
    You have scientific proof on your side and he doesn't even have religion
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    I have an Autistic son and swear that it was a vaccine that caused it.  BUT I think Jenny McCarthy has done a huge disservice to the community at large.  In many cases I believe the risks vastly outweigh the benefits.  


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    https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/07/130716-autism-vaccines-mccarthy-view-medicine-science/

    It all started with bad science. The now-debunked theory that autism is caused by the common immunizations nearly all children receive beginning in infancy began with a fabricated piece of research, a 1998 study published—and later retracted—in the journal Lancet. In 2010, Great Britain stripped Andrew Wakefield, the lead author of the study, of his medical license. An investigation had deemed his research an elaborate fraud.

    But in those dozen years, fear of lifesaving immunizations took hold of millions of parents. Jenny McCarthy—former Playmate of the year, model, actress, and soon-to-be cohost of the television show The View—fueled parental fears. She built a movement around the flawed theory. McCarthy, who has an autistic son, wrote Louder Than Words: A Mother's Journey in Healing Autism, correlating the increase in childhood vaccinations with the rise in autism worldwide.

    "She is absolutely entitled to her opinion, but to say that it's fact when it's not fact is just wrong," says Glenn Braunstein, vice president of clinical innovation at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles. "It's one step down from yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater when there is no fire. It's fear-mongering."

    But the movement snowballed. Congress held hearings. More than 5,000 people petitioned a newly formed Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, charging that vaccines injured their children. (Courts eventually found no proven link between vaccines and autism.) Parents began saying no to immunizations, and the percentage of parents who delayed or refused vaccinations rose from 22 percent in 2003 to nearly 40 percent in 2008. For the first time in decades, the U.S. saw outbreaks of diseases like measles, mumps, and whooping cough.

    Completely Discredited

    The original research began to be discredited as early as 1999, when two studies commissioned by the U.K. Department of Health found no evidence that immunizations were associated with autism. In 2001, a panel of 15 experts from the Institute of Medicine, which advises Congress, found no connection between the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine and autism. In 2004, a comprehensive review by the Institute of Medicine found no causal relationship between vaccines and autism.

    But it would take almost another decade for the furor to even begin to die down. A study this year in The Journal of Pediatrics may at last put the final nail in the coffin of the discredited research. In April, researchers published a study that looked at nearly 1,000 children and concluded that exposure to vaccines during the first two years of life was not associated with an increased risk of developing autism.

    Maybe, just maybe, Jenny McCarthy won't even mention autism and vaccines from her new perch on The View. That's the hope of Paul Offit, chief of the Division of Infectious Diseases at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. "In a more rational world, this discussion would be un-reopenable," Offit says. "The answerable questions have all been answered." It's not the vaccine, or anything in the vaccine. It's not the number or timing of vaccinations. Scientifically, he says, we know that.

    So what is causing an increase in autism? We don't know for sure, says Offit, but the best data are genetic, involving several genes required for brain development that may generate abnormalities even in the womb. Some researchers have found a connection between older fathers and an increased risk of autism in their children. Or the increase could be due to more awareness of autism and a broader definition of the disorder.

    Those theories require a lot more research. The vaccine theory does not. It was thoroughly investigated, and it doesn't hold up.


    https://www.jpeds.com/webfiles/images/journals/ympd/JPEDSDeStefano.pdf

    Summary of this study in laymans terms - 

    One of the key pillars of the “vaccines cause autism” argument is that with the increase in the number of childhood vaccines on the schedule over the years, autism prevalence has increased, as well. I’ve frequently pointed out that the immune system doesn’t count the number of shots. It counts what’s in those shots, the molecules known as antigens, which trigger the immune response. And the number of antigens children encounter by way of today’s vaccine schedule is thousands fewer than it once was.

    Now that key pillar, one that many research findings have already considerably weakened, has been eroded even more. A study just published in the Journal of Pediatrics added up the antigen number in the vaccines administered to 1008 children, 25% with autism, and found no correlation whatsover between autism and increasing antigen number through completion of the vaccine schedule up to age 2.

    The twist? These children were born from 1994 to 1999, during a time when a single DTP shot could contain more than 3000 of the molecules that fire up the immune system. Today’s vaccine-related antigen exposure is considerably less.


    How much less? The researchers found that the maximum number of antigens a 2-year-old child could be exposed to in 2012 was just 315. 315!



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