KLengefeld.... DD really?

PinkCamino · July 2013

In anticipation of your DD which clearly we all knew was coming I saved this nugget.

The internet.... it never forgets...

Serenla · July 2013

Seriously? You apologized and that was fine, DDs do NOT go over well.

LaRomana09 · July 2013

Pink, you're great.

HeyMrsPotter · July 2013

Pink Camino, right before this thread got deleted, I had responded to you to explain that my confusing response was meant to be sarcastic.My apologies if it didn't read that way. I was just "so irate" myself, you know...

ETA: Sorry, that last sentence was not necessary either.

PinkCamino · July 2013

HeyMrsPotter:
Pink Camino, right before this thread got deleted, I had responded to you to explain that my confusing response was meant to be sarcastic.My apologies if it didn't read that way. I was just "so irate" myself, you know...
ETA: Sorry, that last sentence was not necessary either.

No worries. I was in the act of responding to you when this was so rudely DDed.

Smile

LaRomana09 · July 2013

HeyMrsPotter:
Pink Camino, right before this thread got deleted, I had responded to you to explain that my confusing response was meant to be sarcastic.My apologies if it didn't read that way. I was just "so irate" myself, you know...
ETA: Sorry, that last sentence was not necessary either.

FWIW, I got your sarcasm

jbasore1123 · July 2013

Is it bad that I see both sides of this? I am one with the stance that I don't want to judge others for the decisions they make, especially when it is in situations where there are medical problems involved, My heart absolutely breaks for families, including Pink's, who have had to make the gut wrenching decision to end their much wanted pregnancies (at any stage). Pink (and other ladies on this board), you must be amazingly strong. Because of my genetic issue, I know that I may one day have to make the same decision, and I hope that if that happens that I am just as strong. You make that decision knowing that it is best for you and your baby, not because you don't want them or don't love them.

On the flip side, I do relate a small bit about what KLengefeld said. Right after my first miscarriage I saw a Facebook announcement from a woman I knew in college. She and her (now) DH had aborted three healthy pregnancies because they never wanted children. However, she posted a very happy announcement that they were expecting their first child (her words). This hit me like a ton of bricks and I cried for hours. I didn't understand why I lost my baby but she was being given a 4th chance. I do understand that everyone has a right to make the decision that is best for them, but at the time I was so angry and confused and hurt by the situation. It just didn't seem fair.

jbasore1123 · July 2013

snegde:
jbasore1123:
Is it bad that I see both sides of this? I am one with the stance that I don't want to judge others for the decisions they make, especially when it is in situations where there are medical problems involved, My heart absolutely breaks for families, including Pink's, who have had to make the gut wrenching decision to end their much wanted pregnancies (at any stage). Pink (and other ladies on this board), you must be amazingly strong. Because of my genetic issue, I know that I may one day have to make the same decision, and I hope that if that happens that I am just as strong. You make that decision knowing that it is best for you and your baby, not because you don't want them or don't love them.
On the flip side, I do relate a small bit about what KLengefeld said. Right after my first miscarriage I saw a Facebook announcement from a woman I knew in college. She and her (now) DH had aborted three healthy pregnancies because they never wanted children. However, she posted a very happy announcement that they were expecting their first child (her words). This hit me like a ton of bricks and I cried for hours. I didn't understand why I lost my baby but she was being given a 4th chance. I do understand that everyone has a right to make the decision that is best for them, but at the time I was so angry and confused and hurt by the situation. It just didn't seem fair.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion that wasn't the issue, it was her language and that an open forum for women trying to conceive after loss is not the place to share that opinion especially with the language that she used.

I do agree, the language was harsh

Serenla · July 2013

snegde:
jbasore1123:
Is it bad that I see both sides of this? I am one with the stance that I don't want to judge others for the decisions they make, especially when it is in situations where there are medical problems involved, My heart absolutely breaks for families, including Pink's, who have had to make the gut wrenching decision to end their much wanted pregnancies (at any stage). Pink (and other ladies on this board), you must be amazingly strong. Because of my genetic issue, I know that I may one day have to make the same decision, and I hope that if that happens that I am just as strong. You make that decision knowing that it is best for you and your baby, not because you don't want them or don't love them.
On the flip side, I do relate a small bit about what KLengefeld said. Right after my first miscarriage I saw a Facebook announcement from a woman I knew in college. She and her (now) DH had aborted three healthy pregnancies because they never wanted children. However, she posted a very happy announcement that they were expecting their first child (her words). This hit me like a ton of bricks and I cried for hours. I didn't understand why I lost my baby but she was being given a 4th chance. I do understand that everyone has a right to make the decision that is best for them, but at the time I was so angry and confused and hurt by the situation. It just didn't seem fair.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion that wasn't the issue, it was her language and that an open forum for women trying to conceive after loss is not the place to share that opinion especially with the language that she used. 

Mobile thumbs up. I was under the impression that this topic wasn't really discussed here.

ebwhit · July 2013

I can't. I just can't.

*starts slow clap for Pink*

PinkCamino · July 2013

Serenla:
snegde:
jbasore1123:
Is it bad that I see both sides of this? I am one with the stance that I don't want to judge others for the decisions they make, especially when it is in situations where there are medical problems involved, My heart absolutely breaks for families, including Pink's, who have had to make the gut wrenching decision to end their much wanted pregnancies (at any stage). Pink (and other ladies on this board), you must be amazingly strong. Because of my genetic issue, I know that I may one day have to make the same decision, and I hope that if that happens that I am just as strong. You make that decision knowing that it is best for you and your baby, not because you don't want them or don't love them.
On the flip side, I do relate a small bit about what KLengefeld said. Right after my first miscarriage I saw a Facebook announcement from a woman I knew in college. She and her (now) DH had aborted three healthy pregnancies because they never wanted children. However, she posted a very happy announcement that they were expecting their first child (her words). This hit me like a ton of bricks and I cried for hours. I didn't understand why I lost my baby but she was being given a 4th chance. I do understand that everyone has a right to make the decision that is best for them, but at the time I was so angry and confused and hurt by the situation. It just didn't seem fair.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion that wasn't the issue, it was her language and that an open forum for women trying to conceive after loss is not the place to share that opinion especially with the language that she used.
Mobile thumbs up. I was under the impression that this topic wasn't really discussed here.

I think the whole reason this post rubbed me the wrong was is because she was totally judging women who have chosen to "abort". This wasn't and OMG I'm so hurt because I saw xyz give me hugs type of posts. She later clarified that this excluded medical terminations but still, I can't help but feel that this was geared at all terminations and that OP was simply covering her A$$.

IMO it was rude, judgmental and totally inappropriate given the audience here.There are too many women here who've had to terminate for medical reasons.

It's one thing to feel hurt when you disagree with someone's opinion or decision. I get that. But, it's something completely different when you come to a loss board and start pompously judging other women for something you'll never understand unless you've lived through it.

Finally, her remarks about having a liberal lesbian friend are completely ridiculous and gross.

ETA: After re-reading OPs thread again I'm even more disgusted by her assertion that some babies can survive at a little over 20 weeks. I've toured the micro preemie NICU and I'm well versed when it comes to the statistics. A 20 something week baby is not ready to enter the world - walking that path and living through months and months of NICU time and the roller coaster of emotions that comes with it is not a cake walk. It's hell, stop trivializing it.

jbasore1123 · July 2013

Pink Camino:
Serenla:
snegde:
jbasore1123:
Is it bad that I see both sides of this? I am one with the stance that I don't want to judge others for the decisions they make, especially when it is in situations where there are medical problems involved, My heart absolutely breaks for families, including Pink's, who have had to make the gut wrenching decision to end their much wanted pregnancies (at any stage). Pink (and other ladies on this board), you must be amazingly strong. Because of my genetic issue, I know that I may one day have to make the same decision, and I hope that if that happens that I am just as strong. You make that decision knowing that it is best for you and your baby, not because you don't want them or don't love them.
On the flip side, I do relate a small bit about what KLengefeld said. Right after my first miscarriage I saw a Facebook announcement from a woman I knew in college. She and her (now) DH had aborted three healthy pregnancies because they never wanted children. However, she posted a very happy announcement that they were expecting their first child (her words). This hit me like a ton of bricks and I cried for hours. I didn't understand why I lost my baby but she was being given a 4th chance. I do understand that everyone has a right to make the decision that is best for them, but at the time I was so angry and confused and hurt by the situation. It just didn't seem fair.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion that wasn't the issue, it was her language and that an open forum for women trying to conceive after loss is not the place to share that opinion especially with the language that she used.
Mobile thumbs up. I was under the impression that this topic wasn't really discussed here.
I think the whole reason this post rubbed me the wrong was is because she was totally judging women who have chosen to "abort". This wasn't and OMG I'm so hurt because I saw xyz give me hugs type of posts. She later clarified that this excluded medical terminations but still, I can't help but feel that this was geared at all terminations and that OP was simply covering her A$$.
IMO it was rude, judgmental and totally inappropriate given the audience here.There are too many women here who've had to terminate for medical reasons.
It's one thing to feel hurt when you disagree with someone's opinion or decision. I get that. But, it's something completely different when you come to a loss board and start pompously judging other women for something you'll never understand unless you've lived through it.
Finally, her remarks about having a liberal lesbian friend are completely ridiculous and gross.
ETA: After re-reading OPs thread again I'm even more disgusted by her assertion that some babies can survive at a little over 20 weeks. I've toured the micro preemie NICU and I'm well versed when it comes to the statistics. A 20 something week baby is not ready to enter the world - walking that path and living through months and months of NICU time and the roller coaster of emotions that comes with it is not a cake walk. It's hell, stop trivializing it.

Yes

jbasore1123 · July 2013

Pink Camino:
Serenla:
snegde:
jbasore1123:
Is it bad that I see both sides of this? I am one with the stance that I don't want to judge others for the decisions they make, especially when it is in situations where there are medical problems involved, My heart absolutely breaks for families, including Pink's, who have had to make the gut wrenching decision to end their much wanted pregnancies (at any stage). Pink (and other ladies on this board), you must be amazingly strong. Because of my genetic issue, I know that I may one day have to make the same decision, and I hope that if that happens that I am just as strong. You make that decision knowing that it is best for you and your baby, not because you don't want them or don't love them.
On the flip side, I do relate a small bit about what KLengefeld said. Right after my first miscarriage I saw a Facebook announcement from a woman I knew in college. She and her (now) DH had aborted three healthy pregnancies because they never wanted children. However, she posted a very happy announcement that they were expecting their first child (her words). This hit me like a ton of bricks and I cried for hours. I didn't understand why I lost my baby but she was being given a 4th chance. I do understand that everyone has a right to make the decision that is best for them, but at the time I was so angry and confused and hurt by the situation. It just didn't seem fair.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion that wasn't the issue, it was her language and that an open forum for women trying to conceive after loss is not the place to share that opinion especially with the language that she used.
Mobile thumbs up. I was under the impression that this topic wasn't really discussed here.
I think the whole reason this post rubbed me the wrong was is because she was totally judging women who have chosen to "abort". This wasn't and OMG I'm so hurt because I saw xyz give me hugs type of posts. She later clarified that this excluded medical terminations but still, I can't help but feel that this was geared at all terminations and that OP was simply covering her A$$.
IMO it was rude, judgmental and totally inappropriate given the audience here.There are too many women here who've had to terminate for medical reasons.
It's one thing to feel hurt when you disagree with someone's opinion or decision. I get that. But, it's something completely different when you come to a loss board and start pompously judging other women for something you'll never understand unless you've lived through it.
Finally, her remarks about having a liberal lesbian friend are completely ridiculous and gross.
ETA: After re-reading OPs thread again I'm even more disgusted by her assertion that some babies can survive at a little over 20 weeks. I've toured the micro preemie NICU and I'm well versed when it comes to the statistics. A 20 something week baby is not ready to enter the world - walking that path and living through months and months of NICU time and the roller coaster of emotions that comes with it is not a cake walk. It's hell, stop trivializing it.

Yes Well said

Mrsbtobe2012 · July 2013

Pink Camino:
I think the whole reason this post rubbed me the wrong was is because she was totally judging women who have chosen to "abort". This wasn't and OMG I'm so hurt because I saw xyz give me hugs type of posts. She later clarified that this excluded medical terminations but still, I can't help but feel that this was geared at all terminations and that OP was simply covering her A$$.
IMO it was rude, judgmental and totally inappropriate given the audience here.There are too many women here who've had to terminate for medical reasons.
It's one thing to feel hurt when you disagree with someone's opinion or decision. I get that. But, it's something completely different when you come to a loss board and start pompously judging other women for something you'll never understand unless you've lived through it.
Finally, her remarks about having a liberal lesbian friend are completely ridiculous and gross.
ETA: After re-reading OPs thread again I'm even more disgusted by her assertion that some babies can survive at a little over 20 weeks. I've toured the micro preemie NICU and I'm well versed when it comes to the statistics. A 20 something week baby is not ready to enter the world - walking that path and living through months and months of NICU time and the roller coaster of emotions that comes with it is not a cake walk. It's hell, stop trivializing it.

Spot on Pink!

Additionally, what if someone hasn't gotten their anatomy scans prior to 20 weeks, most do it at 20-21 weeks. What if you find something terribly wrong then, you just have to carry your child 20 more weeks regardless?

So many wasted tax paying dollars for people to make decisions about other people's medical decisions if you ask me.

jap618 · July 2013

Pink Camino:
Serenla:
snegde:
jbasore1123:
Is it bad that I see both sides of this? I am one with the stance that I don't want to judge others for the decisions they make, especially when it is in situations where there are medical problems involved, My heart absolutely breaks for families, including Pink's, who have had to make the gut wrenching decision to end their much wanted pregnancies (at any stage). Pink (and other ladies on this board), you must be amazingly strong. Because of my genetic issue, I know that I may one day have to make the same decision, and I hope that if that happens that I am just as strong. You make that decision knowing that it is best for you and your baby, not because you don't want them or don't love them.
On the flip side, I do relate a small bit about what KLengefeld said. Right after my first miscarriage I saw a Facebook announcement from a woman I knew in college. She and her (now) DH had aborted three healthy pregnancies because they never wanted children. However, she posted a very happy announcement that they were expecting their first child (her words). This hit me like a ton of bricks and I cried for hours. I didn't understand why I lost my baby but she was being given a 4th chance. I do understand that everyone has a right to make the decision that is best for them, but at the time I was so angry and confused and hurt by the situation. It just didn't seem fair.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion that wasn't the issue, it was her language and that an open forum for women trying to conceive after loss is not the place to share that opinion especially with the language that she used.
Mobile thumbs up. I was under the impression that this topic wasn't really discussed here.
I think the whole reason this post rubbed me the wrong was is because she was totally judging women who have chosen to "abort". This wasn't and OMG I'm so hurt because I saw xyz give me hugs type of posts. She later clarified that this excluded medical terminations but still, I can't help but feel that this was geared at all terminations and that OP was simply covering her A$$.
IMO it was rude, judgmental and totally inappropriate given the audience here.There are too many women here who've had to terminate for medical reasons.
It's one thing to feel hurt when you disagree with someone's opinion or decision. I get that. But, it's something completely different when you come to a loss board and start pompously judging other women for something you'll never understand unless you've lived through it.
Finally, her remarks about having a liberal lesbian friend are completely ridiculous and gross.
ETA: After re-reading OPs thread again I'm even more disgusted by her assertion that some babies can survive at a little over 20 weeks. I've toured the micro preemie NICU and I'm well versed when it comes to the statistics. A 20 something week baby is not ready to enter the world - walking that path and living through months and months of NICU time and the roller coaster of emotions that comes with it is not a cake walk. It's hell, stop trivializing it.

Pink you are awesome!! ((((HUGS)))) Yes

PinkCamino · July 2013

Mrsbtobe2012:
Pink Camino:
I think the whole reason this post rubbed me the wrong was is because she was totally judging women who have chosen to "abort". This wasn't and OMG I'm so hurt because I saw xyz give me hugs type of posts. She later clarified that this excluded medical terminations but still, I can't help but feel that this was geared at all terminations and that OP was simply covering her A$$.
IMO it was rude, judgmental and totally inappropriate given the audience here.There are too many women here who've had to terminate for medical reasons.
It's one thing to feel hurt when you disagree with someone's opinion or decision. I get that. But, it's something completely different when you come to a loss board and start pompously judging other women for something you'll never understand unless you've lived through it.
Finally, her remarks about having a liberal lesbian friend are completely ridiculous and gross.
ETA: After re-reading OPs thread again I'm even more disgusted by her assertion that some babies can survive at a little over 20 weeks. I've toured the micro preemie NICU and I'm well versed when it comes to the statistics. A 20 something week baby is not ready to enter the world - walking that path and living through months and months of NICU time and the roller coaster of emotions that comes with it is not a cake walk. It's hell, stop trivializing it.
Spot on Pink!
Additionally, what if someone hasn't gotten their anatomy scans prior to 20 weeks, most do it at 20-21 weeks. What if you find something terribly wrong then, you just have to carry your child 20 more weeks regardless?

So many wasted tax paying dollars for people to make decisions about other people's medical decisions if you ask me.

Yup. I mentioned that exact point in the OPs original thread but clearly she needed to DD.

MsAmandaPants · July 2013

Veganlady:
Also? She's just wrong. This law would take the number of clinics where a woman could get an abortion at any stage (or a pap smear, breast exam, birth control...etc) from over three dozen to five. It's a TRAP law (Targeted Regulation of Abortion Providers) designed to use regulations not supported by science to circumvent the Supreme Court-affirmed right for a woman to choose to terminate a pregnancy. When this happens, women die from shady, unregulated procedures which they choose from desperation. If you're for this law, sorry, you are not pro-life.
If you're not for abortion, don't have one. Someone else making that choice for reasons that are none of your damn business will not deplete the universe of babies, resulting in you not getting one.
Besides, bringing that $hit here is utterly without tact or class. Know your audience, as$hat.

this! this! this! I so have a crush on you right now, Veganlady.

Mrsbtobe2012 · July 2013

Pink Camino:
Mrsbtobe2012:
Pink Camino:
I think the whole reason this post rubbed me the wrong was is because she was totally judging women who have chosen to "abort". This wasn't and OMG I'm so hurt because I saw xyz give me hugs type of posts. She later clarified that this excluded medical terminations but still, I can't help but feel that this was geared at all terminations and that OP was simply covering her A$$.
IMO it was rude, judgmental and totally inappropriate given the audience here.There are too many women here who've had to terminate for medical reasons.
It's one thing to feel hurt when you disagree with someone's opinion or decision. I get that. But, it's something completely different when you come to a loss board and start pompously judging other women for something you'll never understand unless you've lived through it.
Finally, her remarks about having a liberal lesbian friend are completely ridiculous and gross.
ETA: After re-reading OPs thread again I'm even more disgusted by her assertion that some babies can survive at a little over 20 weeks. I've toured the micro preemie NICU and I'm well versed when it comes to the statistics. A 20 something week baby is not ready to enter the world - walking that path and living through months and months of NICU time and the roller coaster of emotions that comes with it is not a cake walk. It's hell, stop trivializing it.
Spot on Pink!
Additionally, what if someone hasn't gotten their anatomy scans prior to 20 weeks, most do it at 20-21 weeks. What if you find something terribly wrong then, you just have to carry your child 20 more weeks regardless?

So many wasted tax paying dollars for people to make decisions about other people's medical decisions if you ask me.
Yup. I mentioned that exact point in the OPs original thread but clearly she needed to DD.

My new bump crush = Pink Camino

LaRomana09 · July 2013

Veganlady:
Also? She's just wrong. This law would take the number of clinics where a woman could get an abortion at any stage (or a pap smear, breast exam, birth control...etc) from over three dozen to five. It's a TRAP law (Targeted Regulation of Abortion Providers) designed to use regulations not supported by science to circumvent the Supreme Court-affirmed right for a woman to choose to terminate a pregnancy. When this happens, women die from shady, unregulated procedures which they choose from desperation. If you're for this law, sorry, you are not pro-life.
If you're not for abortion, don't have one. Someone else making that choice for reasons that are none of your damn business will not deplete the universe of babies, resulting in you not getting one.
Besides, bringing that $hit here is utterly without tact or class. Know your audience, as$hat.

Very well said.

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