We have SS13 and SD11 full time. The eldest SS is 18 and after a string of poor choices [dropping out of school, living off of friends, staying unemployed while spending gf money, and basically writing off dh side of the family because of everyone refusing to enable his behavior or give him money ] he currently lives across town. We told ss and sd that even though ss18 refuses to talk with dh doesn't mean he cant have a relationship with their brother under some supervision. We had been letting SS13 spend time with his brother occasionally. However, we must drop off and pick up due to SS18 driving his car without insurance and unpaid tickets. Well yesterday SS13, wanted to go fshing with SS18. We dropped him off. When dh went to pick up, SS18 copped a major tude and started to get into it with dh. Dh didn't engage and just picked up SS13 and left. On the way home, SS13 announced that his brother kept his pole because it was his...which it wasn't and he has probably pawned it by now. At any rate, my question is this, SS18 is very angry, hostile, not in a good place...how to we explain to SS13 that we need to suspend the hanging out or maybe move it to our house only when we are home? Although I'm afraid our house might not be a good idea either. I really feel like his relationship with his brother is confusing the h out of him, due to brother bad mouthing dh or trying to convince him to leave home like he did, etc... he would still see brother ocassionally at bm. Like once every 8 weeks but generally that's it. We have counseling next week and I plan on getting advice from the counselor but wwyd? I understand its hard enough to keep kids away from parents making bad choices, but what about adult siblings? How would you handle this?

Re: What would you do?
That's pretty much what dh and I decided on after much discussion. We are going to tell him this with the counselor's help. Dh will then call SS18 and let him know our decision. Thanks for your input. My heart breaks for all involved for different reasons. I hope time will heal this mess. Thanks again.
The bottom line is that you need to make the choices that are in the best interest of the children. When the kids are older they can make their own choices. I think it's messed up to keep exposing children to toxic people (whether it is a sibling, a grandparent, whatever) simply because they are "family."
You are doing the right thing by keeping SS apart from his brother at this time.