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WTF Baby Bottles soon to be a black market item?
fancynewbeesly
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So I was looking for interesting articles and I came across this:
Apparently, Venezuela is considering a baby bottle ban to promote breastfeeding. That idea just made me sad and frustrated--not the breastfeeding part, but the whole bottle part. Regrettably, I could never breastfeed because of the epileptic medicine I am on; and wished I could have breastfeed.
What is your take on the article?
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Re: WTF Baby Bottles soon to be a black market item?
I gave birth at a "baby friendly" hospital with Cade. They didn't have binks either. However, they told us that and we made sure to bring one with us. It really is not that huge of a deal. He still used me as a human pacifier with the paci. I loved the other things they implemented there though. Like DH got to sit there holding Cade the whole time during my section. It was so amazing to be able to touch and kiss him while the stitched me up.
This.
This is ridiculous.
Edited: exceptions will be made...reading comp fail... It's still fing stupid though.
I just don't find it a huge deal. If you forgot and needed one they sold them in their baby shop just outside the mother baby ward. Also, paci did not equal boob break for us. It meant screaming. I think more hospitals need to by baby friendly. The rest of the things are wonderful!!
Good point. The ban of bottles is just asinine.
I tried desperately to exclusively BF my son, but I have to supplement with formula. I came to peace with it, but in the beginning, it broke my heart and made me feel like a failure as a mother for not being able to provide for my son. Isn't mom guilt bad enough without bringing the government into it?
According to the link, the idea is to ban both.
Look, I consider myself incredibly proBFing, having done it for 13 months. But at some point, this is a women's issue, not a health issue. Without bottles, it's women who have to do every feeding 24/7, women who won't be able to work, women who will open themselves up to public and government scrutiny on the very personal decision of how to feed their child, and on and on.
I just see it as a tremendous step back, not a step forward. If a government wants to improve childhood health, why not address something concrete like poverty?
I guess we disagree. They have found that doingthese things have increased mothers to BF. It's not just the binkies. It's the fact that every. single. nurse in L&D and mother/baby to be LC's. There is always IBCLC qualified LC on call. That there is no nursery, required rooming in, ect. Sooooo much of a "baby friendly" hospital is centered around whats best of the baby. I loved it. It was so refreshing to have nurses who don't drop off your 6 pack of formula while your trying to get a baby to latch for the first time.
Oh I agree. The hospital I went to all you had to do was ask for formula. "Baby Friendly" doesn't mean no formula. There are no hoops. You just ask and receive. We saw plenty of the moms giving birth there using formula. However, the rest of the policies were so amazing. It was a much more pleasant experience from beginning to end than the more "traditional" hospital I had Rosie at. Being baby friendly isn't a bad thing. I don't see why many people think it's a bad thing?
GET BACK IN LAS COCINAS, LADIES.
I'm not getting you? I'm serous. Nothing in the Baby Friendly movement strikes me as bad. Other than no samples and bringing your own binky I don't see the downside. What are peoples reasons as to not liking it?
I'm not even trying to have an attitude. All I asked was why people think that baby friendly hospitals are bad. Also, that statement about how I believe they aere doing what's best for baby wasn't even exclusvely directed at BFing. It's the other policies they have at baby friendly hospitals that I like, in conjunction with the astounding BFing support they have. Like things that I would have to fight for in a normal L&D ward they already do (like immediate skin to skin, rooming in w/ no nursery, delayed cord clamping (if chosen), and keeping the baby with mom during a section). Those things are what really made me love their policies.
Also, I formula feed. I don;t look down on non BFers. Since, I am one. I still love baby friendly hospitals. I think their great.
Not really, since "baby friendly" is actually a designation with specific parameters.
https://www.unicef.org/programme/breastfeeding/baby.htm
Yes, I understand. I will say the hospital is qualified Baby Friendly and they tell everyone there is no nursery. They still had a converted room that was their "nursery". You still had the option to have the baby go away for a bit if needed. I"m just a hippy with an uncooperative uterus. If I had my way I would of been one of those weirdos giving birth in a blow up pool in my living room. Which is why I liked their policies.
However, they aren't forcing anybody to BF. They still have formula that you can ask for. Many hospitals are getting rid of their nurseries even without being baby friendly. The only thing that being baby friendly is that they don't have those god awful soothies to give to babies.
ETA that wasn't me saying people who use soothies are bad, just that I like the ones that have the nose cut out better.
Eh, I guess I was really unfriendly to my baby.
I can't fathom not having a nursery. It would have really sucked when I was alone at the hospital and hooked up to mag sulfate and unable to get out of the bed. What do they do in situations like that?
Why is it the hospital's job to provide you with babysitting?
Ours had a room they converted into a pseudo nursery. They stored the formula there and if needed the nurses would take the babies there. They just don't have a full on nursery. It was a room converted into one.
I added in that it wasn't a dig to people who do use the soothies, I just don't like them cuz they don't have the nose cut out like the Gumball ones.
They aren't forcing BFing cuz I've stated multiple times that you ask for the formula and they give it to you.
It's a room, like a tiny azz room. It's not technically a nursery and nobody tells you about it. We only found out about it cuz they did his second hearing test in there while we walked some paperwork to the clerk.
That's not an answer.
It's one thing if you are physically incapable of caring for your baby. That's providing healthcare for your infant. My baby-friendly (actual meaning, not "in general" meaning) hospital had a nursery for that. But to prefer to not room-in, no, I don't see why a hospital is obligated to provide for that.
But choosing not to BF means it's medically necessary.
Also, if you read the booklet when they test they state:
When a mother has chosen not to breastfeed, when supplementation of
breastfeeding is medically indicated, and when supplementation is chosen by the breastfeeding mother (after appropriate counseling and education), it is crucial that safe and appropriate methods of formula mixing, handling, storage, and feeding is taught to the parents.
This is from the actual baby friendly testing guidelines. They still provide formula. They just throw a few more BFing pamphlets at you. Which you already get a bajillion of while pregnant.
With Rosie she was in the nursery for 12 hours after my section. Then they would come buy every few hours and ask if she needed to be taken back. I was never separated from my son (except for that 5 minute walk to the clerk to sign some papers)ever, unless necessary.
I would think because the baby is considered a patient, separate from the mom. So technically the hospital is ultimately responsible for the care of the infant.
You don't have to argue that straw man over there. You can actually argue with my point.
Actually, you know what? Don't bother.
I gave the baby to DH when I needed a shower, to go potty, a break, ect.
I didn't have an issues switching after 3 weeks. My Pedi just handed me formula. I don't think it's shaming at all. I think it's just the medical community trying to make for 50 years of pushing formula.
Huh, I had 2 sections and nobody had to be with me when I showered. I dunno. I made DH stay and sleep on the pull out couch.
True, but my XSIL FF at my hospital and all she had to do was ask and keep a feeding log.
I think it's bigger than just the shower issue. I could have had DD in the room and showered while she slept. NBD. But if a mother is not able to care for the baby after delivery and has no one there, then the hospital is required to care for the baby, as the baby is also their patient. It just seems like that would get very stressful for the nurses/staff when there is no nursery.
Being baby friendly doesn't stop that. They told us when we toured that if there was a medical need the babies would got to their special care nursery attached to their NICU. It's not on the same level as the mother-baby unit.
I was by myself in the room most of the time during my stay. H was at home taking care of DD and our dogs. The nurses offered to take my baby to the nursery whenever I wanted or whenever they could so I could sleep or shower. I didn't always send him there. He slept most of the time in the room with me. The nurses were amazing.
Now, I will qualify this with the fact that I did not read this article. However, I do remember reading a while back that mothers in third world countries who were given formula to feed their newborns while in the hospital lost their ability to breastfeed and then were unable to continue buying formula so the babies starved. So please keep the location in the article in mind when objecting to policies on breastfeeding vs formula feeding. Not everything that applies to us in the US is true in other countries
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