Eye ointment/hep B

Muffin379 · June 2013

Any thinking about opting out of the eye ointment and or hep b shot at birth? I've read an heard mixed opinions.

missmay55 · June 2013

I opted out of the hep b for my son and did it a few months later and I will be doing the same thing this time around. I find it unnecessary at birth.

coraggiosa · June 2013

I plan on having Hep B administered at a later time, and I am also opting out of the eye ointment. Considering I do not have any infections that would warrant the use of antibiotics on my newborn's eyes, I do not plan on having them administered as it would be unnecessary medication.

maginell · June 2013

Will likely opt out of both, but def the Hep B is a no go. It wears off by age 8 and the odds of a child acquiring Hep B are astronomical! Why would I expose my child to that?

I will likely pass on most of the vaccines they try to force on you. I've been doing lots of research and most seem to be without merit. Chicken Pox, for instance, is a right of passage, and a vaccine that doesn't prevent something is an extra waste of money in my opinion.

ack2002 · June 2013

maginell:
Will likely opt out of both, but def the Hep B is a no go. It wears off by age 8 and the odds of a child acquiring Hep B are astronomical! Why would I expose my child to that?

I will likely pass on most of the vaccines they try to force on you. I've been doing lots of research and most seem to be without merit. Chicken Pox, for instance, is a right of passage, and a vaccine that doesn't prevent something is an extra waste of money in my opinion.

Are the sites you are finding this info on, actual peerreviewed scientific studies? Or random websites? You can find almost anything on the Internet to support your beliefs. I'm glad you know more than doctors and the CDC.

katiedid0907 · June 2013

ack2002:
maginell:
Will likely opt out of both, but def the Hep B is a no go. It wears off by age 8 and the odds of a child acquiring Hep B are astronomical! Why would I expose my child to that? I will likely pass on most of the vaccines they try to force on you. I've been doing lots of research and most seem to be without merit. Chicken Pox, for instance, is a right of passage, and a vaccine that doesn't prevent something is an extra waste of money in my opinion.
Are the sites you are finding this info on, actual peerreviewed scientific studies? Or random websites? You can find almost anything on the Internet to support your beliefs. I'm glad you know more than doctors and the CDC.

This. Please check your sources. Our son will be getting both.

BlueJewelM · June 2013

We will be doing both.

We also follow our pediatricians schedule for all other vaccines. Personally I do not believe medical professionals who make these suggestions are out to harm children.

amarissa85 · June 2013

I am not opting out if either.

MrsNyberg09 · June 2013

I do it just so it's done and over with

ELauren88 · June 2013

I wasn't sure what we were going to do for a long time, did a bunch of research and talked to my doctor. After all of that, I've decided we will be going a head with all of the above, and we will stick with our FP's normal schedule for vacs.

Talk your concerns over with your doctor (your future pedi), and see what you two can come up with together to fit your comfort level.

carlieanddanwedding · June 2013

maginell:
Will likely opt out of both, but def the Hep B is a no go. It wears off by age 8 and the odds of a child acquiring Hep B are astronomical! Why would I expose my child to that? I will likely pass on most of the vaccines they try to force on you. I've been doing lots of research and most seem to be without merit. Chicken Pox, for instance, is a right of passage, and a vaccine that doesn't prevent something is an extra waste of money in my opinion.

Why would you allow your child to become sick with something miserable that requires missing multiple days of school when it could easily be prevented by a vaccine? Not to mention, it's not like chicken pox is zero risk, what if your child is one of the handful who has complications? What if your child contracts chicken pox and then passes it on to someone with a compromised immune system who doesn't have the option to get vaccinated?

I'm sorry, but that's a really stupid reason not to get a vaccine. I'm all about doing your research and really understanding vaccinations before choosing to have them done for your child but this kind of thinking is downright dangerous.

maginell · June 2013

For the record,I never stated that I was antivaccine, that I know more than medical professionals, or that I exclusively research online. Way to make a mountain out of a molehill just to get your Saturday morning jollies!

Everyone is entitled to a unique opinion. I come from a family of medical professionals, and have discussed my concerns with them, as well as my care providers. I will soon discuss the same with LO's doctor. I make educated decisions instead of following blindly because a government agency says it should be so. Or, based on a trend of recommendations that tend to be revoked later once a strand of disease has mutated.

I would NEVER do anything to harm my child, nor any other child. I've been around here long enough to know that it's not popular to go against the grain, but I'm not looking at gaining popularity, nor do I care if you ladies agree or disagree. I'm not telling you what you should or shouldn't do with your child. I shared the opinion of our family on 3 different vaccines and treatments. Simple as that.

Also, one should note that the Varicella vaccine does not prevent Shingles either, but if you're concerned, there is a separate vaccine for that as well...

maginell · June 2013

carlieanddanwedding:
Why would you allow your child to become sick with something miserable that requires missing multiple days of school when it could easily be prevented by a vaccine? Not to mention, it's not like chicken pox is zero risk, what if your child is one of the handful who has complications? What if your child contracts chicken pox and then passes it on to someone with a compromised immune system who doesn't have the option to get vaccinated?I'm sorry, but that's a really stupid reason not to get a vaccine. I'm all about doing your research and really understanding vaccinations before choosing to have them done for your child but this kind of thinking is downright dangerous.

I have my reasons. They have been discussed with medical professionals. I don't need to discuss or defend this with you. To address your personal attack, I am a teacher and I will be homeschooling, so absence is not an issue to the same degree.

Perhaps you don't realize that we are not all genetically equal and the same. Family medical history plays a huge role in our decisions. Again, not something I'm going to get into on here. Dangers come in many forms. People, in general, should not be so naive. You don't have to agree. I'm not looking for approval or blessings from any of you.

lisamoe · June 2013

missmay55:
I opted out of the hep b for my son and did it a few months later and I will be doing the same thing this time around. I find it unnecessary at birth.

I completely agree. So does my pedi, actually. We did the first vax of hep b at 2 months old. I wouldn't skip the ilotycin (eye drops). Not worth it.

carlieanddanwedding · June 2013

maginell:
carlieanddanwedding:
Why would you allow your child to become sick with something miserable that requires missing multiple days of school when it could easily be prevented by a vaccine? Not to mention, it's not like chicken pox is zero risk, what if your child is one of the handful who has complications? What if your child contracts chicken pox and then passes it on to someone with a compromised immune system who doesn't have the option to get vaccinated?I'm sorry, but that's a really stupid reason not to get a vaccine. I'm all about doing your research and really understanding vaccinations before choosing to have them done for your child but this kind of thinking is downright dangerous.
I have my reasons. They have been discussed with medical professionals. I don't need to discuss or defend this with you. To address your personal attack, I am a teacher and I will be homeschooling, so absence is not an issue to the same degree. Perhaps you don't realize that we are not all genetically equal and the same. Family medical history plays a huge role in our decisions. Again, not something I'm going to get into on here. Dangers come in many forms. People, in general, should not be so naive. You don't have to agree. I'm not looking for approval or blessings from any of you.

The reason that you gave is that "it's a right of passage," and I maintain that that's a stupid reason not to get a vaccine. If you've discussed your choices with medical professionals and they're on board, then good on you, but plenty of people don't bother consulting with a doctor before making these decisions for all kinds of stupid reasons.

CaliforniaDream87 · June 2013

I'm not opting out of either.

This whole "I'm going to vaccinate my kid vs. I'm not going to vaccinate my kid" debate is getting old.

maginell · June 2013

carlieanddanwedding:
The reason that you gave is that "it's a right of passage," and I maintain that that's a stupid reason not to get a vaccine. If you've discussed your choices with medical professionals and they're on board, then good on you, but plenty of people don't bother consulting with a doctor before making these decisions for all kinds of stupid reasons.

Yes, "good on me" for not following blindly and actually caring enough about my family to do my homework, and not just listen to bunch of strangers on the internet.

The "right of passage" comment was not my reason, only a statement, and a flybynight one at that. Varicella vaccine, in my experience, does not prevent Chicken Pox, or shingles. It may lessen the blow, but that's it.

This thread was not about that, so I shouldn't have even brought it up.

Anyhow, thanks for caring enough about my baby to pick an argument even though you didn't have all the details... I do appreciate the concern!

ktbear9512 · June 2013

You should also check your local laws. In NY state, you cannot forgo the eye ointment, but you do have the option to delay it for one hour. For Hep, you can delay it but if your kid goes to public school, they have to have it by a certain point.

Muffin379 · June 2013

Thanks for the info. I also have been doing research and will be talking to my pediatrician about both. Just wondering what parents were deciding on since I've talked to some people and they said they met with a great deal of resistance from the hospital when choosing to opt out of one or the other.

ELauren88 · June 2013

maginell:
carlieanddanwedding:
The reason that you gave is that "it's a right of passage," and I maintain that that's a stupid reason not to get a vaccine. If you've discussed your choices with medical professionals and they're on board, then good on you, but plenty of people don't bother consulting with a doctor before making these decisions for all kinds of stupid reasons.
Yes, "good on me" for not following blindly and actually caring enough about my family to do my homework, and not just listen to bunch of strangers on the internet. The "right of passage" comment was not my reason, only a statement, and a flybynight one at that. Varicella vaccine, in my experience, does not prevent Chicken Pox, or shingles. It may lessen the blow, but that's it. This thread was not about that, so I shouldn't have even brought it up. Anyhow, thanks for caring enough about my baby to pick an argument even though you didn't have all the details... I do appreciate the concern!

You are so defensive and cranky. People asked further questions because you didn't explain anything, so DUH we knew nothing about the details. If you didn't want a backlash you wouldn't have said anything or you would have shared all the info to begin with. You need to calm your tits. You're too high strung for a Saturday afternoon.

TurtleMomma · June 2013

I will be doing the eye ointment, but delayed by an hour so that I can breast feed first.

The Hep B, I need to talk to my doc and LO's pedi about that because I'm getting my Hep B series currently [for school/work] and I'm curious as to if those antibodies pass through the placenta and give [limited] immunity in a fashion similar to that of the TDAP vaccine you can get during pregnancy. If the immunity will be there at birth, I don't see the necessity of getting another for the baby. If not, I see no problem with it.

HERD IMMUNITY, PEOPLE!

BelhurstBride · June 2013

We delayed the ointment to later in the evening and the hep B I *think* until 2, maybe 4 months.

We also didn't complete the rotavirus vax and :gasp: will be fully skipping it this time.

maginell · June 2013

Negative on all counts! I was just giving an honest response. Didn't share all details because it isn't anyone else's business, truly. I'm at peace with all of this and find it rather immature of you to pick fights and tell me to calm down when I am extremely calm and have been all day.

FWIW, my thanks and appreciation to the poster I was responding to were, and continue to be, entirely genuine. She doesn't seem to be you...so why do you care so much, anyway?

Typically, I can respect the August snarkiness, but I don 't know why you insist on fueling a fire that was smoldering out, and started in misunderstanding? Worry about your own kid and "tits"... Sheesh!

MagPie 1986 · June 2013

maginell:
carlieanddanwedding:
The reason that you gave is that "it's a right of passage," and I maintain that that's a stupid reason not to get a vaccine. If you've discussed your choices with medical professionals and they're on board, then good on you, but plenty of people don't bother consulting with a doctor before making these decisions for all kinds of stupid reasons.
Yes, "good on me" for not following blindly and actually caring enough about my family to do my homework, and not just listen to bunch of strangers on the internet. The "right of passage" comment was not my reason, only a statement, and a flybynight one at that. Varicella vaccine, in my experience, does not prevent Chicken Pox, or shingles. It may lessen the blow, but that's it. This thread was not about that, so I shouldn't have even brought it up. Anyhow, thanks for caring enough about my baby to pick an argument even though you didn't have all the details... I do appreciate the concern!

Bahahah I have never seen such a dumb statement in my entire life. What do you mean "in your experience?" You're a teacher...right? Well, I'm a healthcare provider and I have only "maybe" seen Varicella once in a child that was under the age of 12 mos (which is when they receive the vaccine). I have NEVER seen Varicella in a varicella-vaccinated child. In fact, I have NEVER seen Varicella in ANY child. Do you want to know why? Because of vaccines....idiot.

missmay55 · June 2013

lisamoe:
missmay55:
I opted out of the hep b for my son and did it a few months later and I will be doing the same thing this time around. I find it unnecessary at birth.
I completely agree. So does my pedi, actually. We did the first vax of hep b at 2 months old.

I wouldn't skip the ilotycin (eye drops). Not worth it.

Yeah my pediatrician has been super cool about delaying a few things and we did hep b around 2 months too.

rooftop · June 2013

opting out of hep b but doing the ointment. Ointment does'nt really have any bad possible side effects from what I've read but hep b vac carries more risk than my baby has of contracting hep b IMO so really its just weighing the pros v cons of each to decide what is best for you and yours

Gobs · June 2013

somebodysmama21:
maginell:
Will likely opt out of both, but def the Hep B is a no go. It wears off by age 8 and the odds of a child acquiring Hep B are astronomical! Why would I expose my child to that?

I will likely pass on most of the vaccines they try to force on you. I've been doing lots of research and most seem to be without merit. Chicken Pox, for instance, is a right of passage, and a vaccine that doesn't prevent something is an extra waste of money in my opinion.
First of all being anti vaccine on TB will get you eaten alive. Second of all I hope you continue researching. We originally declined all vaccines however after HOURS and HOURS of research we opted for most vaccines, skipping a few. We started DD later than normal and only do one at a time still because we feel we are more able to monitor what is happening with each shot and the peds are great with that. While I agree with your view on chicken pox the vaccine also helps prevent shingles which is a really awful disease and often doesn't ever go away once you get it. And it is very common.

. This is what we are doing. I don't want to pump my little baby's body full of chemicals all at once and we are doing a lot of research into each vaccine. So far we have decided not to do the eye ointment since I don't have infections and we are delaying hep b if we decide to go for it. We also are not doing the vitamin k shot, instead midwife is having me take alfalfa suppliments to naturally build up the vitamin k in my system and the baby's. Everything else we will be researching and doing one at a time to make sure she doesn't have any bad reactions.

BellaOso · June 2013

I am doing both. I have done the research, gotten opinions from those who I respect, etc.

I do think it is funny when people claim to be comfortable with their decisions and not want to continue discussions with others on the lowly bump forums, but then they keep checkin' in and adding fuel to the fire and responding. Ummm... just walk away?

You don't lose to the interwebs if you just never open that thread again.

Ktbug613 · June 2013

normally Im all over anyone saying no to vaccinations. But I have to admit I am surprised at how much flack PP is getting over the chicken pox vaccine. she is right it doesn't always prevent chicken pox. My husband and his siblings all had the vaccine and 2 out of the 3 of them still got it, only they got it when they were older and its much more serious to contract as an adult. My husband ended up in the hospital with an uncontrollable fever. Its generally not a huge deal when you get it as a young kid. Me, all my siblings, and most of the kids we went to school with all got it throughout elementary school. I am fairly certain the vaccine existed when I was a kid, but I guess where we lived it just wasn't common yet to get it. This is one of the few vaccines I would even consider passing up. Just because its so much more dangerous if it doesn't work and you end up with it when your older

MagPie 1986 · June 2013

I really don't understand the "don't want my baby to be injected/exposed to preservatives" argument. I would much rather them be exposed to preservatives than risk contracting Hep B or going blind from untreated infection. I'm ok with delaying vaccines until after birth but, to me, the cost-benefit analysis for getting them is a no-brainer.

And most hospitals now use erythromycin ointment and not the older drops that do cause chemical irritation. The erythromycin is safe and non-irritating.

MamaPhm · June 2013

maginell:

Also, one should note that the Varicella vaccine does not prevent Shingles either, but if you're concerned, there is a separate vaccine for that as well...

Umm, actually it does prevent shingles. Shingles is a reactivation of the chicken pox virus. After you get chicken pox the virus lives dormant in your nerves. If you get immunosuppressed at some point later in life the virus reactivates and travels down the nerves causing inflammation and extreme pain. Even with treatment The pain can often persist even after the infection clears, and it's a very difficult type of pain to effectively treat.

Also, besides causing debilitating pain, shingles can also cause even worse effects such as blindness if it affects the optic nerve, and encephalitis brain inflammation. I've personally seen cases of both I'm a clinical pharmacist in a teaching hospital

There is a shingles vaccine but it is for people over 50 who have never had the chicken pox vaccine. It helps prevent the reactivation of the virus, but for those who've had the chicken pox vaccine in childhood they would not have gotten the virus in the first place therefore would not need the shingles vaccine.

MammaBear81 · June 2013

BlueJewelM:
We will be doing both. We also follow our pediatricians schedule for all other vaccines. Personally I do not believe medical professionals who make these suggestions are out to harm children.

all of this- they did both while I was delivering my placenta, I didn't miss baby for a second. By the time I was done baby was back in my arms so I could nurse.

Rachey1082 · June 2013

lisamoe:
missmay55:
I opted out of the hep b for my son and did it a few months later and I will be doing the same thing this time around. I find it unnecessary at birth.
I completely agree. So does my pedi, actually. We did the first vax of hep b at 2 months old.

I wouldn't skip the ilotycin (eye drops). Not worth it.

This is what we do and I'm very happy with my decision.

lexismom1008 · June 2013

We will do all of them hep b, vit k, ilotycin after the first feeding.

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