Third-Party Reproduction

Potential Setback :( (long)

So when we had our autopsy for our loss, it was clear the cause of death was an umbilical cord clot, rare and a fluke, it's not likely to happen again and basically is just bad luck.

However - in the midst of that, we also did a karyotype of the baby. He was perfect except there was a small 'find' in terms of a chromosomal deletion on one of his strands of his second chromosome. In other words, one of our donors is essentially a carrier of a small deletion on Chromosome 2. This area impacts kidneys, and causes some pretty gnarly physical and mental conditions that no one would want to sign up for. However, BOTH donors would have to have the EXACT same deletion for any affliction to show up. In the case of our lost baby, he would not have had anything wrong with him - but would have been a carrier of this deletion - which apparently many of us have small deletions like this.

The good news is for both donors to have the exact same deletion is like 1 in a million kind of odds. Lots of people have a small deletion, it's just super rare they happen to mate with someone who has that same deletion.

So last night my RE got around to reading everything now that we finished up my adhesion surgery and I am on track to begin my 'real' FET cycle on the 18th. She called last night and said "Well, I don't think we should call this 'nothing'..." and had a few recommendations for us.

So, first step is testing our egg donor, who happened to be in the clinic for a blood draw for something else earlier this week, and my RE said they took her sample and already sent off a karyotyping request on her (their expense) to see if she is the carrier of this deletion. They also notify CCB so they can reach out and hopefully do the same testing on our sperm donor. Of course we all know sperm donors come and go - so it's not a sure thing they will get that test done/have that result. This is the bummer I guess of using two donors - if it was my egg or known donors, we could just test easily and know.

So - if our egg donor is negative, we basically know that the same thing could happen which we are ok with - our baby could be a carrier of this deletion (25% chance) as the sperm donor would be the one who passed it on. It is also possible that it was just a cosmic thing that happened when that egg met that sperm and would not recur. The bad thing would be if our egg donor is a carrier, then we have the risk that our sperm donor has the same issue - in which case we'd have to look at waiting for his testing to come back, or, PGD our embies which I'm not even sure how to go about since they are already frozen.

The second recommendation was to have my further tested for clotting factors/issues. So I had a blood draw today to get that going. And finally, she said we should talk to their genetic counselor regardless just to understand the whole thing better - esp. if our donor does come back as the carrier.

Oy. Something tells me it will all turn out ok. But it is just stressful to have another potential wrench in our plans, but of course, we don't want to knowingly bring a little life into the world only to suffer. Our MFM didn't seem to think a thing of it; but I suppose our RE thinks differently since they provided the egg donor. They said if our egg donor is the carrier, they won't use her anymore - she's done 5 or 6 cycles and loves doing it, so I hope she's not the problem! She has made many people happy!

Sorry, long ramble for a Friday...

Lil'mamaz was born on Aug 21, 2014! She's PERFECT!

It's been a long road to here...
Me (43) and J (45) - same sex couple. And we don't feel 40+!
June'12 - First RE Visit
Sept. '12 - Tubes removed
Dec. '12 - Donor Egg/Donor Sperm IVF Cycle - 4 good embies!
Dec. '12 - Fresh transfer, BFP! EDD 8/29/13
Mar. '13 - Missed m/c at 16w1d, baby boy stopped growing at 15w4d
Loss due to umbilical cord clot...baby was perfect. :(
Jul '13 - FET#1 - c/p
Sept. '13 - FET#2 - BFN
Dec.' 2, 2013 - FET#3 with our last chance embie - BFP!!!
Dec' 26, 2013 - hb!!
EDD 8/20/14 with a baby girl!
Little S was born on 8/21/14 - 8lb, 14 oz and 20 inches long.
We live in Seattle and used SRM for our donor egg IVF cycle


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Re: Potential Setback :( (long)

  • That's a lot to process. FX she comes back all clear and you two are off and running but I can understand why you're frustrated right now. This whole process takes so long and any set back is devastating! 

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  • Aww man I'm sorry to hear this. FX that you get good results and your able to move forward! Big hugs!

    ME:46 MH:44 DE IVF 2014
    Met with RE 4/11. 2 IUI's BFN. DE best option. Switched clinics to do "shared" program. Had to retake all tests and a mamm that put me behind and then on a DE waiting list for 12 months. Picked a donor!! (10/13/13) Got matched. Estimated transfer in December. After 2.5 years of patiently waiting I will finally cycle....can hardly believe it. DE cycle got cancelled. One of her tests came back positive.  Waiting for another donor. Donor picked!! (1/18/14)

    DE IVF #1 (4/26) BFN  DE FET #1 (6/4) BFP! Beta 1=339 Beta 2=852 Beta 3=9957 EDD 2/22/15!!


     

     

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  • Hope that your testing comes back in the clear for both your clotting factors and to dind out that donor is not a carrier for this chromosomal issue.  Hoping that results come back in a timely manner and you will be able to gear up for your planned FET.  Any setback in the process seems like forever, we are all rooting for you to be able to move forward when all the pieces in the puzzle are complete.  GL!
    TTC since 10/09 Me-43 DH-44 RE and testing 10/10-11/10, Recommending IVF 1/11 New RE AMA and DOR-DH low motility IVF #1.1 cancelled 3/11 due to poor response IVF #1.2 May 2011, one perfect 8-cell embryo, 3dt-BFN, IVF #2.1 Converted to IUI d/t poor response. New RE 9/2011. IVF 2.2 completed using HGH,EPP,DHEA, Q-10 and accupuncture. Transferred one 8-cell, grade one embryo on 10/19. BFP 10/31/11 Chemical pregancy on 11/2/11. Started stims for IVF #3, our final try, on 12-2-11. ET on 12/18. Transferred 3 Grade A embryos-BFFN Planning DE IVF, late March/early April- Donors ER expected to be 4/2-4/4. PAIF/SAIF welcome
  • udc22udc22 member
    Hang in there it will all workout. FX. 
    TTC since 10/2010
    IVF #1 - BFN
    IVF #2 - BFP, MC @ 4 weeks
    IVF #3 - ET ~ 3/18/2013
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  • JM1977JM1977 member
    I'm sorry you are going through this.  It sounds like you are receiving excellent and very thorough care, and I hope it will all come out alright and won't cause a delay.  (((HUGS)))
    TTC with DOR, low morphology, fertilization issues
    IVF#1 Oct 2009 (CCRM) - BFN
    IVF#2 March 2010 - Poor response/cancelled
    DE IVF#1 Aug 2010 - BFN
    DE IVF#2 Dec 2010 - Transferred 1, 2 frozen - BFP!
    TTC#2 FET Jan 2013 - Transferred 1 - BFP!

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  • Lacyj67Lacyj67 member
    Geez what are the chances of that ... Both of them possibly having that deletion. Hopefully just a bout if bad luck and will be fine next time around GL!
    Me 34 and DH 39 married in aug. 2002
    Did 5 round of clomid 2010 =BFN
     High levels of NK CELLS DX sept.2012 DOR:# 0.02 
    IVF #1 May 2012  ER 4, EF 2, ET 2 =BFN
    MINI IVF Oct.2012  Cancelled 10-27-12
    Ivf #3 Antagonist Protocol April 2013
    Shared cycle..Donor cycled in July Got 12 eggs 9 fertilized and 8 frozen!!
    DE FET #1 Sept. 3rd 2013 FIRST BFP EVER 5dp5dt
    miscarried Sept 24th at 5 weeks 5 days
    Etopic  D&C and hysterscopy Nov 5 2013
    dx with pre genetic blood clotting dec 2013
    FET #2 Jan 31st  2014 
    Miscarried for a second time again at 5 weeks 5 days
    Currently fostering to adopt an amazing little 1 year old boy..P.J!
    FET#3  is Oct 29th 2014
    BFN on fet #3
    Last and FINAL FET coming JAN 28th 2015
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  • Hang in there! And sending T&P'S that everything turns out ok for you to move on to your FET. 

    April 2013 DE IVF= BFN

    September 2013 DE IVF (Fingers Crossed) = BFFFN! again...

    October 2013 FET of our last 2 = Beta Hellzz for 6-7 Weeks. M/C

  • FX it was just a fluke! I hope the situation works out quickly and everything is back on track.

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    Stopped BCP 4/2010.
    Multiple clomid rounds from 11/2010 to 6/2011. ~ All BFN
    IUI w/clomid 7/2011. IUI w/clomid & injectables 11/2011 & 1/2012. ~ All BFN

    IVF:EPP 5/2012 ~ (4R, 3M, 2F w/ICSI). Both embryos txfrd. ~ BFN
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    Beta 1: 503(12dp5dt) Beta 2: 1035(14dpt) Beta 3: 3001(16dpt)
    Beta 4: 8503(19dpt)
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  • Hi 2Mamaz! You may remember that my field is science and engineering.  I do not want to be flippant about your problem, worry is always going to happen when it comes to your kids.

    However, I have to say that based on your description, I would not worry for 2 seconds about this. We all have deletions and genetic hiccups, a handful of them at least.  I am frankly surprised they're going to test your donor, let alone exclude her. Odds are ridiculously in your favor.  Let's hope she doesn't, just so you can have that peace of mind and the docs can drop this.  Best wishes!

  • Hi 2Mamaz. 

    Just wanted to let you know that when our Donor went through the genetic testing it came back that she was a carrier of a very rare genetic disorder.  So rare I can't remember the name.  DH was tested and proven not to be a carrier.  We chose to stay with our donor as there was no risk to any of our potential children (except that they might be a carrier).  

    Don't worry too much, I hope everything moves forward in your favour and you can stick to your calendar. 

     

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  • Km672Km672 member

    Hey Lady,

        I am so hoping this does not change your current plan. FX your donor tests neg for being a carrier and you can move forward asap!

    I would be nervous too, but the chances are really slim that their is a problem.

    I agree with everything you have said and would most definitely be diligent with testing, but try to keep in mind the worst case scenario is highly unlikely!!!

    Keep us posted!

    Me (32) DOR, elevated NK Cells/ 2 copies of MTHFR mutation/ MH (35) azoo/high DFI   (TTC#1 since 2009)

    IVFs#1-4: (4/10-2/12) all BFN

    Surprise Bfp (9/11) - c/p

    DS IUI#1-2 (9/12, 10/12) - BFN

    DS IVF: (11/12) - BFN

    DE/DS IVF#1: (10/13) - 2 day 3 embies transferred-BFFN

    FET of 2 day 6 blasts: (12/13) - c/p

    DE/DS IVF #2: (4/14) - 1 day 5 blast transferred...BFFN...again.

    FET 5/14: 1 day 5 hatching blast transferred...another BFFN

    Repeat SHG 6/14-normal / Endometrial Receptivity Array biopsy 7/14-Receptive Uterus

    New RE, additional testing reveals elevated NK Cells

    FET of 1 day 5 blast (RE recommends transferring 1 due to elevated NK cells) with lovenox, steroids & intralipids in October

     

     

     

  • I'm super late to this post....sorry about that. :(

    But I want you to know I'm thinking about you and have my fingers crossed that this turns out to be nothing. As PP have said, odds are majorly on your side. But I totally get the worry. Try to focus on the positive best as you can and keep us posted. I'm so excited for your next transfer.

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    Me: POF/DOR - AMH <0.16, heterozygous c677t MTHFR, insulin resistant and gluten intolerant
    DH: Severe MFI

    12/2/11 - IUI #1- BFN 
    8/1/12 - IVF #1 - Zero response from max stims (600iu intramuscularly)

    My ovaries are just for decoration

    12/6/12 - Adopted five embryos that had been frozen for over ten years!
    2/11/13 - DEmbryo FET #1 Thawed four, sadly two didn't survive. Transferred two beautiful blasts. 
    2/16/13 - First BFP of my life @ 6dp5dt! EDD 10/30/13
    3/27/13 - After beta and u/s hell, no heartbeat ever detected. D&C at 9w1d.

    6/5/13 - Adopted four new embryos that had been frozen for seven years!
     
    9/12/13 - DEmbryo FET #2. Thawed and transferred two beautiful blasts
    9/17/13 - BFP @ 5dp6dt! EDD 05/31/14
    9/29/13 - m/c @ 5w1d. :(

    11/19/13 - DEmbryo FET #3. Thawed and transferred one blast from each batch. Wow!
    11/23/13 - BFP @ 4dp6dt! EDD 8/7/13
    Beta #1 @ 13dp6dt - 522  Beta #2 @ 16dp6dt - 1373 
    6w5d ultrasound showed one perfect baby with a beautiful heartbeat of 134bpm!

    Snowflake baby is a girl! 
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    imageliz4paws:

    I'm super late to this post....sorry about that. :(

    But I want you to know I'm thinking about you and have my fingers crossed that this turns out to be nothing. As PP have said, odds are majorly on your side. But I totally get the worry. Try to focus on the positive best as you can and keep us posted. I'm so excited for your next transfer.

    Ditto all of the above!! If it makes you feel any better, just think that the majority of people that conceive without medical help don't get tested for a fraction of what some of us have been tested for. For example, we elected to have my husband and my egg donor have the Counsyl panel run on them and b/c they check for so many things, there was bound to have something pop up. Sending T&P's your way for getting a quick resolution, so that you can cycle again very soon!!

    Me: AMA, DOR, undetectable AMH, carrier of SMA, MTHFR homozygous C677T, high cytokines, low IGg B cells, Factor XIII V34l mutation, High Anti-Phosphatidylethanolmine, borderline hypothyroid and mildly insulin resistant.

     

    MH: No known issues, aside from MTHFR.

     

    Recommendations from RI: LIT, Humira, IVIG, Lovenox, Baby Aspirin, Folic Acid, Low-dose synthroid and Metformin.

     

    Currently taking:  Pre-Natal vitamins, Foltanx, Low-dose synthroid and Metformin. 

     

    When cycling also taking: Baby Aspirin, Lovenox, Humira and IVIG.

     

    TTC since 7/11/09..with medical intervention starting in 2010, including 4 failed IVF's and 6 failed IUI's...only "success" was a chemical pregnancy in 11/2012 (credited to use of DE).

    FET #1 (11th cycle) on 8/23/13 = BFN.

    FET #2 (12th cycle) Transfer of last two (day 6) donor egg blasts on 1/22/14 = BFP, EDD = 10/10/14 (please stick little BOY!)

     

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