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October 2011 Moms
UO-Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?
I think fighting our strong willed toddlers has taken the grit out of us..that is why it is nearly 11:00 before UO got posted. Plus we scared off all the wackos, so no drama.
I think having a clean house is overrated...I spend a whole day cleaning, the next day yelling at kids to keep it clean, and by the third day it looks like a sh!thole again.
I don't like Angelina Jolie, even after her mastectomy. I can't explain it.
I can not stand the Simpsons I used to like them when I was younger but not anymore. I also do not like 2and 1/2 men, and Big bang theory. Yawn.
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Re: UO-Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?
I love Angelina. She is number 1 on my sexy women list. I've had some pretty hot dreams about her.
I don't like the fact that people who are forced to work in cubicles are also forced to dress a certain way. No customers see me at my computer all day so why should I be required to wear dress clothes?
See, this is where I am at with it. Maybe I just don't have a good understanding of it though, so please forgive my ignorance. I did hear some where that her chances of breast cancer were like 85% or something close to that.
CORRECT.
She didnt just have an elective mastectomy on the slim chance that she may get breast cancer one day. She was tested for the BRCA1 gene and her doctors estimated her having an 87% chance of getting breast cancer. 87% is incredibly high. She is fortunate enough to be able afford a mastectomy and reconstruction, so she did the logical thing. She now has a 5% chance of breast cancer. Yeah if she did it on a whim I'd side eye her, but she had very good cause.
I watched my mom die of cancer at the age of 45. I was 16 and my brother was only 6. He barely remembers her.You better believe that if I found out I had an overwhelmingly high risk of cancer I would do whatever was in my power to minimize that chance of getting it. I want to see my child(ren) grow up. I'm sure Angelina does too.
Thank you for explaining it, I get it more now.
While I think the Angelina situation has been a bit glamorfied, I do understand the need for the surgery. (Didn't Christina Applegate have the same procedure years ago w/o all the fanfare).
My brother's wife's SIL just had a double mastectomy at age 30 because she was a carrier of the gene. She lost her mother, grandmother and 2 aunts to breast cancer. They want to TTC, but she is terrified of passing on the gene and may opt for adoption. It's a sad situation.
This is what bothers me about it. She said she was being open about it to let women know that they have options. In reality, insurance doesn't cover this elective procedure or the reconstructive surgery. Most women can't pay for them out of pocket. So, thanks for letting extremely wealthy women know about their options, Angelina.
Burned by the Bear
I judge N for hating the broom but insists on using her toy golf club like a broom. You're not helping me any kid. I also will not be joining her and DH on any golfing adventures if that's the avenue she decides to take. Golf is so freaking yawn worthy.
I drive the cart and drink A LOT of beer when I go golfing with dh. Take a wack at a few balls. It's pretty relaxing. Without kids though.
I have been there so many times...When they did not get me a card this Mother's day I felt like I deserved to get none. I am not the picture perfect mom. I have a quick temper, I screech at them, I can be neurotic. BUT I love my kids fiercely, I would die for them. the little things they do make me so dang proud.
I don't know how many times I have broken down though-out the years,. My H and kids have seen me at my worst (wicked tantrums turned into a sobbing mess on the floor). Being honest that it is not all sunshine I think is huge. I think "Trying" is the success, does that make sense.
FWIW- You are awesome. Don't let the voices in your head beat you up.
Yeah this is kind of how I feel about it. It's not realistic for most people so it's not really letting them know their options.
This! She didn't just do it because she wanted to! She has a family history and such a high chance of developing cancer, she did the right thing.
My former boss had the same test done after having a single mastectomy and I evicting cancer. That test said she had over 70 of developing it is the other breast, she had the other removed.
And I bet if anyone tested positive with a high chance for any cancer and your doctor said but we can do X,Y, Z to lower your chances of getting it, most would!
I judge the women who was grocery shopping the other day while her baby was in the car by herself. How hard is t to take your kid out of the car and put them in a cart. And, how do you not freak out the whole time you are shopping that something is going to happen to your baby!!!
I take a wack at balls too, but not with a club. And that's always without kids.
I would have called the police.
Thank you. My eyes were burning with the "people are stupid and cutting sh!t off willy-nilly" argument. I do know someone who had this surgery (she lost her mom young to cancer and did all of the testing) and her insurance covered part of the reconstruction.
OMG I love playing golf! It is definitely better with a bunch of beers!
I hate watching it on TV though.
Meh. I can see both sides of this. You value surprise. Some women value getting what they want. Other's don't want anything. Some think it's weird to pretend your husband did something great for you by going into your joint account and pulling out money you helped to put there for a gift. Did he buy it in that case? Some people would argue that you bought it for yourself. I know a couple who only buy gifts with "extra" money they earn. It helps that they are freelance, and that they can pick up an extra job here and there, but if they want to buy the other person something it can't come out of their household money or savings. It doesn't help that guys are all different. Some of them put zero effort into thinking of gifts and sadly it seems like those are often paired with women who really value gift getting. Then you have guys like my BIL who absolutely has to surprise you. So if my sister gives him a list of things she'd like she's basically guaranteeing that she will not get any of them. Then you have guys who stress out about what to give, go out on a limb and then their wives return it or flat out say that they don't like it. Then you have couple's like my friend Nicole and her husband who have never ever ever bought each other anything. They prefer to do something together instead. It's not easy. For us, I'll tell DH, "I'd like a bracelet" and then let him go from there. I think that as long as it works for the couple whether it's a hint, an email link (I agree that doesn't sound fun, but to each their own) or if she just goes right out and buys it, I approve. Gift giving shouldn't be pleasant.
I agree with everyone that the Angelina Jolie thing is over glamorized too, but i dont think its a bad thing at all to bring attention to the subject. Yes, unfortunately not all insurances cover prophylactic mastectomy, and of course uninsured people would have no options. Contrary to popular opinion though there actually are a decent amount of insurances that do cover prophylactic mastectomy if genetic testing shows a high risk of breast cancer. If the insurance does cover the mastectomy they must, by law, cover a reconstruction as well. Some insurances are willing to cover it because treating breast cancer is much, much more expensive than preventing it.
Obviously this will be out of reach for some, but its certainly not only available to the wealthy either. So maybe the attention that AJ is getting isn't necessarily a bad thing if it encourages some high risk women to look into the testing and what treatment may be available to them. Maybe by bringing all of this into the public eye there will be more of a push to make it mandatory for insurances to provide these services to women. While I'm not a big AJ fan, I dont think her bringing her experience to light is a bad thing at all. But I guess that's my UO.
Yes, there are other situations where this occurs. My mom died of thyroid cancer. They tested her tumor to see what type. If it had been a certain type I would have had my thyroid removed becuase it basically would have been a 100% chance I would have gotten it. Sometimes you do what you got to do to save your life. Like Cmonkey I don't want my kids to grow up w/out a mom.
Anywaymy UO is that I don't like breastfeeding. I couldn't do it with my first so I fought hard to do it this time and it's not as wonderful as everyone told me it was. I hate being a pacifier.
Not very original, but there it is!
i would have to say I agree with this to some extent. Where I don't think the "surprised feeling" is the thing that is ridiculous.....I think it's when the person receiving the gift walks around acting like it was this huge surprise when they not only knew about the gift, but they helped pick it out. It is one thing to say, "I would like a bracelet or earrings" and let the guy go from there, or to plan and do things together like pp mentioned. What I think is extremely ridiculous is when (let's use my friend as an example): you bring up getting engaged and married constantly in your relationship, you sign your boyfriend up for email discounts to the jewelry store, you go and pick out your ring with your mom, then you text a picture of the ring to your boyfriend, you give him the engagement ring from your last fianc? and say he can take the center diamond out.....and then after the engagement you walk around telling everyone you were "SOOOO SURPRISED!" And you had no idea it was coming, and how great it was that he picked out the perfect ring for you. If you are going to go to that extreme for the gift, just say you picked it out....don't try and brag that your spouse is some amazing gift giver and you were surprised when you picked out the gift.
This is my idea of a relaxing and acceptable hobby.
Dh is getting his balls permanently wacked after this baby.
Dh is getting his balls permanently wacked after this baby.
Hawt, drunken sex 4EVA!
OMG you are like Oliver and Audrey. You say bee and they run inside like their pants are on fire. Audrey cried because she saw an ant in the house last week. Yet she will play with worms.
I was floating down the Apple river on a tube when I was a kid and I couldn't stop my tube from slamming into a log with a hive. I must have been stung at least 10 times most likely because I was screaming and flapping.
I have a 20 month old and a 4 month old and the thought of staying at
Home with them makes me want to beat my head up against the wall.
I also hated Breastfeeding.
DH gets mad if I'm not specific with him because he tells me I don't like the things he picks out for me, and he's right. It's all coming from the same bank account anyway.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I think I read that the initial test is 3,000 dollars and not covered by insurance. So, forgetting about the mastectomy and reconstruction, even getting tested could be a stretch for a lot of people.
You're correct that it runs about $3000. Its not true that testing isnt covered by insurance across the board. Some insurances do cover it, some don't. I believe that newer insurance policies (started after Aug '12) are required to cover it under the affordable healthcare act. Of course even those that do cover it you have to meet certain criteria/risk factors to get the testing. I also believe there are assistance programs for people who are uninsured or whose insurance doesn't cover it.
Yes there are going to always be people for whom the testing/treatment is unattainable. I just think its unfair to say these things are only available to people who can afford to pay for them outright. That is not always the case. I would hate for high risk people to avoid looking into the testing due to all of the misinformation out there.
Is it a sign of the times that I thought this was a witty computer reference?