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Meery82 · May 2013

Real nice of you to post that on the SAHM board. It looks like your attempt to stir up trouble didn't work over there, judging from their responses. Isn't causing trouble the opposite of what a moderator should be doing??

stepper1725 · May 2013

stepper1725 · May 2013

Also, if I recall, Elliot STTN at like what, 6 weeks old? I seriously roll my eyes so hard at people who have never experienced prolonged sleep deprivation who judge mothers who choose CIO.

stepper1725 · May 2013

speer06:
stepper1725:
Also, if I recall, Elliot STTN at like what, 6 weeks old? I seriously roll my eyes so hard at people who have never experienced prolonged sleep deprivation who judge mothers who choose CIO.
My eyes have rolled out of my head today.

LOL, also 'twattytroll' is my new favorite word

kpearse99 · May 2013

Love you ladies!

alizabethanne · May 2013

stepper1725:
speer06:
stepper1725:
Also, if I recall, Elliot STTN at like what, 6 weeks old? I seriously roll my eyes so hard at people who have never experienced prolonged sleep deprivation who judge mothers who choose CIO.
My eyes have rolled out of my head today.
LOL, also 'twattytroll' is my new favorite word

Its a great word! I burst out laughing.

giggles0918 · May 2013

Meery82:
Real nice of you to post that on the SAHM board. It looks like your attempt to stir up trouble didn't work over there, judging from their responses. Isn't causing trouble the opposite of what a moderator should be doing??

Couldn't agree more! Just because she's a mother doesn't make her an expert on everyone else's kid.

Sigir · May 2013

shmeell25:
Meery82:
Real nice of you to post that on the SAHM board. It looks like your attempt to stir up trouble didn't work over there, judging from their responses. Isn't causing trouble the opposite of what a moderator should be doing??
 
Guess you decided not to check back in when it didn't go how you thought it would, huh?  

IMO she checked back in as her AE, nina. Seems pretty obvious to me.. I am a hater though. Alicia, thx for always reminding us what a great mod we have!

joleine · May 2013

I'm so glad I'm not the only one to see Alicia for what an idiot she is.

alizabethanne · May 2013

Sigir:

IMO she checked back in as her AE, nina. Seems pretty obvious to me.. I am a hater though. Alicia, thx for always reminding us what a great mod we have!

Agreed!

allisonmarie22v4 · May 2013

Wow. Indifferent

You guys are seriously STILL ragging on Alicia? Get over it already. You're the biggest bunch of immature 6 grade wannabees I've ever seen.

allisonmarie22v4 · May 2013

joleine:
I'm so glad I'm not the only one to see Alicia for what an idiot she is.

She's a lot of things, but at least she wasn't stupid enough to post a comment on a blog pretending to be someone else who lives all the way across the country. I guess you just don't have a firm grasp on how these tricky interwebz work, huh? Bless. Your. Pretty. Little. Heart.

She's also a little thing called loyal. Not something I expect any of you to understand. Oh well...your loss, my gain. Things all worked out just as they should have. It's just sad to me that, for her sake, you guys can't just let it go already. Ugh.

Meery82 · May 2013

allisonmarie22v4:
Wow.
You guys are seriously STILL ragging on Alicia? Get over it already. You're the biggest bunch of immature 6 grade wannabees I've ever seen.

I don't know much about the previous incident involving Alicia, but this an unrelated problem she caused. Maybe you didn't see the CIO post...

allisonmarie22v4 · May 2013

Meery82:
allisonmarie22v4:
Wow.
You guys are seriously STILL ragging on Alicia? Get over it already. You're the biggest bunch of immature 6 grade wannabees I've ever seen.
I don't know much about the previous incident involving Alicia, but this an unrelated problem she caused. Maybe you didn't see the CIO post...

I saw the original post, the one she made on SAHM board, and we also had a separate conversation. Sorry , but CIO is lazy, selfish parenting. Especially considering all the research indicating that it is harmful to our children's brains and their caretaker bonds, there is no excuse whatsoever for doing it. People should be outraged when a child is left to CIO.

kpearse99 · May 2013

allisonmarie22v4:
Meery82:
allisonmarie22v4:
Wow.
You guys are seriously STILL ragging on Alicia? Get over it already. You're the biggest bunch of immature 6 grade wannabees I've ever seen.
I don't know much about the previous incident involving Alicia, but this an unrelated problem she caused. Maybe you didn't see the CIO post...
I saw the original post, the one she made on SAHM board, and we also had a separate conversation. Sorry , but CIO is lazy, selfish parenting. Especially considering all the research indicating that it is harmful to our children's brains and their caretaker bonds, there is no excuse whatsoever for doing it. People should be outraged when a child is left to CIO.

seriously? Go to hell!! You know NOTHING about me, or my parenting. I am many things to my son, and many things in life and lazy is most certainly not one of them. You are not god so how dare you critique someone else's parenting when you know nothing about them. We all dropped this topic and were done with it and moved on. It was YOUR troll-self that started the sh*t back up. You cannot call someone lazy for trying EVERYTHING ShE has ever read about before breaking down. How is THAT lazy? You're a b!tch.

kpearse99 · May 2013

And I'll apologize to everyone else reading my last post, I don't normally curse, but I can't stand by and be bashed anymore. It's redic. And childish In itself. So I'm sorry for my language, I'm just so outraged.

alizabethanne · May 2013

klasala318:
And I'll apologize to everyone else reading my last post, I don't normally curse, but I can't stand by and be bashed anymore. It's redic. And childish In itself. So I'm sorry for my language, I'm just so outraged.

Do not apologize! She is digging up trouble. Thats what those 2 do. Every couple months they bring out their brand of crazy again. She is calling people immature, but all they do is cause trouble and then push and push and push to keep it going. Tell it like it is klasala!

kpearse99 · May 2013

speer06:
alizabethanne:
klasala318:
And I'll apologize to everyone else reading my last post, I don't normally curse, but I can't stand by and be bashed anymore. It's redic. And childish In itself. So I'm sorry for my language, I'm just so outraged.
Do not apologize! She is digging up trouble. Thats what those 2 do. Every couple months they bring out their brand of crazy again. She is calling people immature, but all they do is cause trouble and then push and push and push to keep it going. Tell it like it is klasala!
It's kind of their MO. Alisha does something ***, thinking she's cute and funny for 'not mommy coddling' then when the backlash comes, she sends the crazy in to white knight for her.  

At least stand up for your own battles, mistakes, actions...whatever! Geeez, talk about being a 6 year old....my gosh!

jess9802 · May 2013

JFC.

If your research on CIO consists of reading Dr. Sears and Dr. Google, you really don't know what you're talking about. Take a gander at the AAP's recently study on the long-term effects of various sleep-training methods. The conclusion is that parents can confidently use these methods (like the one the OP employed) to deal with problematic sleep in older infants without negatively affecting the child.

Let's save the outrage for the real ways in which children are mistreated and harmed - physical and sexual abuse, neglect, exploitation.

allisonmarie22v4 · May 2013

jess9802:
JFC.
If your research on CIO consists of reading Dr. Sears and Dr. Google, you really don't know what you're talking about. Take a gander at the AAP's recently study on the long-term effects of various sleep-training methods. The conclusion is that parents can confidently use these methods (like the one the OP employed) to deal with problematic sleep in older infants without negatively affecting the child.
Let's save the outrage for the real ways in which children are mistreated and harmed - physical and sexual abuse, neglect, exploitation.

If you do a little more research you'll find that the AAP stands behind several practices that are questionable, CIO is one of those practices (routine infant circumcision is another). Sorry, but they're not high on my list of "go-to" resources when I want information on my child's psychological well being and brain development. I prefer to look to those with knowledge in the fields of Cognitive Science, Clinical Psychology, Child Psychology, Developmental Psychology, etc. That's just me, though...

Also, not that it matters, but Alicia didn't ask me to come here and fight her battles. She is a big girl and can fight her own battles. I came on my own to toss my shiny little two cents into the mix (I'm still here practically every day, btw).

Oh, and nice jab about child abuse, neglect and exploitation. You're so clever.

Meery82 · May 2013

allisonmarie22v4:
jess9802:
JFC.
If your research on CIO consists of reading Dr. Sears and Dr. Google, you really don't know what you're talking about. Take a gander at the AAP's recently study on the long-term effects of various sleep-training methods. The conclusion is that parents can confidently use these methods (like the one the OP employed) to deal with problematic sleep in older infants without negatively affecting the child.
Let's save the outrage for the real ways in which children are mistreated and harmed - physical and sexual abuse, neglect, exploitation.
If you do a little more research you'll find that the AAP stands behind several practices that are questionable, CIO is one of those practices (routine infant circumcision is another). Sorry, but they're not high on my list of "go-to" resources when I want information on my child's psychological well being and brain development. I prefer to look to those with knowledge in the fields of Cognitive Science, Clinical Psychology, Child Psychology, Developmental Psychology, etc. That's just me, though...
Also, not that it matters, but Alicia didn't ask me to come here and fight her battles. She is a big girl and can fight her own battles. I came on my own to toss my shiny little two cents into the mix (I'm still here practically every day, btw).
Oh, and nice jab about child abuse, neglect and exploitation. You're so clever.

Who are you to tell someone how to raise their child?? Especially someone who you know nothing about?? Jess is right. There are real ways that a child can be truly harmed. I think those are what you should be more worried about. Not a baby who is allowed to cry for a few minutes.

Kim, just remember this when people give you sh!t: People hasten to judge in order not to be judged themselves.

allisonmarie22v4 · May 2013

speer06:
allisonmarie22v4:

Oh, and nice jab about child abuse, neglect and exploitation. You're so clever.
Just remember, you said it, not Jess...sounds like your projecting her words onto your own situation and not the other way around?

No, actually, she said it. She specifically brought it up. Learn to read. Kthx. Smile

allisonmarie22v4 · May 2013

speer06:
allisonmarie22v4:
speer06:
allisonmarie22v4:
   
Oh, and nice jab about child abuse, neglect and exploitation.  You're so clever.  
Just remember, you said it, not Jess...sounds like your projecting her words onto your own situation and not the other way around? 
No, actually, she said it.  She specifically brought it up. Learn to read.  Kthx. 
Obviously you are the one lacking reading comprehension skills. She merely said that outrage would be better saved for the real ways children are abused. You inferred that she implied you were in some way abusing and neglecting your children. 

OK...whatever. I know a snide jab when I see it.

Moving on. CIO is abusive and neglectful, hence my outrage. Durp.

jess9802 · May 2013

I am very clever, Allison, but I'm not a total b!tch. I wasn't referring to your personal story at all, but go ahead and feel insulted.

I worked for the Division of Children and Family Services in college in the Adolescent Unit of Child Welfare Services. I worked directly with children in the foster care system, all of whom had been abused and neglected by their mothers, fathers, grandparents, and other relatives. The abuse they suffered wasn't being left to cry in a crib for five or ten minutes at a time for a few nights. We're talking beatings, rape, exposure to domestic violence and drug abuse, inadequate food, clothing, and shelter, and exposure to truly dangerous situations. THAT is the kind of child abuse and maltreatment that deserves outrage.

But by all means, you and Alicia should wear the Sanctimommy crown and cry at night over the poor helpless suburban 10 month olds subjected to "Ferberizing" so you can feel self-righteous. It still doesn't mean the science is on your side.

Meery82 · May 2013

allisonmarie22v4:
speer06:
allisonmarie22v4:
speer06:
allisonmarie22v4:

Oh, and nice jab about child abuse, neglect and exploitation. You're so clever.
Just remember, you said it, not Jess...sounds like your projecting her words onto your own situation and not the other way around?
No, actually, she said it. She specifically brought it up. Learn to read. Kthx.
Obviously you are the one lacking reading comprehension skills. She merely said that outrage would be better saved for the real ways children are abused. You inferred that she implied you were in some way abusing and neglecting your children.
OK...whatever. I know a snide jab when I see it. Moving on. CIO is abusive and neglectful, hence my outrage. Durp.

Ugh. Go away.

Meery82 · May 2013

jess9802:
I am very clever, Allison, but I'm not a total b!tch. I wasn't referring to your personal story at all, but go ahead and feel insulted.
I worked for the Division of Children and Family Services in college in the Adolescent Unit of Child Welfare Services. I worked directly with children in the foster care system, all of whom had been abused and neglected by their mothers, fathers, grandparents, and other relatives. The abuse they suffered wasn't being left to cry in a crib for five or ten minutes at a time for a few nights. We're talking beatings, rape, exposure to domestic violence and drug abuse, inadequate food, clothing, and shelter, and exposure to truly dangerous situations. THAT is the kind of child abuse and maltreatment that deserves outrage.
But by all means, you and Alicia should wear the Sanctimommy crown and cry at night over the poor helpless suburban 10 month olds subjected to "Ferberizing" so you can feel self-righteous. It still doesn't mean the science is on your side.

I doubt there's any substantial argument you can make after reading this. So again, go away. Don't embarrass yourself further.

kpearse99 · May 2013

Why did all of this have to start again? We all stopped talking about it, and moved on. Why did you have to dig it up again if you wanted us to stop talking about it?
bottom line is that you should just focus in your own parenting skills and LET IT GO!
lesson learned to never post about touchy subjects again, because you'll be labeled as a bad parent no matter what.

allisonmarie22v4 · May 2013

Meery82:
jess9802:
I am very clever, Allison, but I'm not a total b!tch. I wasn't referring to your personal story at all, but go ahead and feel insulted.
I worked for the Division of Children and Family Services in college in the Adolescent Unit of Child Welfare Services. I worked directly with children in the foster care system, all of whom had been abused and neglected by their mothers, fathers, grandparents, and other relatives. The abuse they suffered wasn't being left to cry in a crib for five or ten minutes at a time for a few nights. We're talking beatings, rape, exposure to domestic violence and drug abuse, inadequate food, clothing, and shelter, and exposure to truly dangerous situations. THAT is the kind of child abuse and maltreatment that deserves outrage.
But by all means, you and Alicia should wear the Sanctimommy crown and cry at night over the poor helpless suburban 10 month olds subjected to "Ferberizing" so you can feel self-righteous. It still doesn't mean the science is on your side.
I doubt there's any substantial argument you can make after reading this. So again, go away. Don't embarrass yourself further.

There's no argument here. Abuse is abuse. Neglect is neglect. Sure there are varying degrees. Trust me, I work in a methadone clinic myself, and see damaged, neglected children every day...not to mention the patients I deal with are often a product of said abuse and/or neglect.

The fact is that CIO likely damaging, it betrays the caretaker bond and it puts the helpless child, who can not speak for itself, in a vulnerable position. Why? So mom and dad can get more sleep, or because parents have been duped into thinking that their babies need to be taught how to sleep? Rubbish. The fact is that the CIO parent just got tired of being sleepy, so the choice was made to let the helpless baby scream itself to sleep so they don't have to be bothered by the inconvenience of it anymore. Did the baby *learn* how to sleep? Nope. It just learned there was no point in crying because mommy and daddy weren't coming to save them. If that works for you then fine, but don't console yourself with the argument that "well, there are *more* abused kids out there." Yeah, well that's right up there with the "well _______ happened to me and I turned out just fine," argument. Sleep Just because your child isn't *really* abused or *really* neglected doesn't mean they aren't suffering. I don't need science to back me up. I have a conscience and an instinct when it comes to my children that I choose to listen to.

So yeah...that's my opinion and I'm entitled to it...and I'm FAR from embarrassed by it.

joleine · May 2013

klasala318:
And I'll apologize to everyone else reading my last post, I don't normally curse, but I can't stand by and be bashed anymore. It's redic. And childish In itself. So I'm sorry for my language, I'm just so outraged.

You have nothing to apologize about! All you've done is be a great mother and teach your son how to put himself to sleep, something ALL parents should do. She however lets her children live with a pedophile. Stones and glass houses and all. Keep up the good work, you're a great mom!

kpearse99 · May 2013

allisonmarie22v4:
Meery82:
jess9802:
I am very clever, Allison, but I'm not a total b!tch. I wasn't referring to your personal story at all, but go ahead and feel insulted.
I worked for the Division of Children and Family Services in college in the Adolescent Unit of Child Welfare Services. I worked directly with children in the foster care system, all of whom had been abused and neglected by their mothers, fathers, grandparents, and other relatives. The abuse they suffered wasn't being left to cry in a crib for five or ten minutes at a time for a few nights. We're talking beatings, rape, exposure to domestic violence and drug abuse, inadequate food, clothing, and shelter, and exposure to truly dangerous situations. THAT is the kind of child abuse and maltreatment that deserves outrage.
But by all means, you and Alicia should wear the Sanctimommy crown and cry at night over the poor helpless suburban 10 month olds subjected to "Ferberizing" so you can feel self-righteous. It still doesn't mean the science is on your side.
I doubt there's any substantial argument you can make after reading this. So again, go away. Don't embarrass yourself further.
There's no argument here. Abuse is abuse. Neglect is neglect. Sure there are varying degrees. Trust me, I work in a methadone clinic myself, and see damaged, neglected children every day...not to mention the patients I deal with are often a product of said abuse and/or neglect.
The fact is that CIO likely damaging, it betrays the caretaker bond and it puts the helpless child, who can not speak for itself, in a vulnerable position. Why? So mom and dad can get more sleep, or because parents have been duped into thinking that their babies need to be taught how to sleep? Rubbish. The fact is that the CIO parent just got tired of being sleepy, so the choice was made to let the helpless baby scream itself to sleep so they don't have to be bothered by the inconvenience of it anymore. Did the baby *learn* how to sleep? Nope. It just learned there was no point in crying because mommy and daddy weren't coming to save them. If that works for you then fine, but don't console yourself with the argument that "well, there are *more* abused kids out there." Yeah, well that's right up there with the "well _______ happened to me and I turned out just fine," argument. Just because your child isn't *really* abused or *really* neglected doesn't mean they aren't suffering. I don't need science to back me up. I have a conscience and an instinct when it comes to my children that I choose to listen to.
So yeah...that's my opinion and I'm entitled to it...and I'm FAR from embarrassed by it.

look, my child is not being neglected or abused or forgotten about or damaged by me letting him fuss for a few minutes before going in to comfort him. I'm not letting him cry for hours and hours. And I'm certainly not doing it so I can get more sleep myself. I don't mind the snuggle sessions, it's the fact that my sweet baby, who loves me and knows I'm here for him whenever he needs, was nothing but sleepy and cranky all day every day for the last month because he was barely getting sleep. He wasn't even getting sleep with me or on me.

A smarty pants like yourself should know that a baby cant live off of a few hours a sleep....

And now he is his happy self again because I let him figure things out a few minutes at a time on his own. He knows I'm here, I make sure he knows that, but I also want him to be a strong independent individual and that is exactly what he is. He wakes up smiling now, and happy now, not yawning and screaming.

he is perfect, and healthy and one of the happiest babies I have ever met. END. OF. DISCUSSION.

jess9802 · May 2013

allisonmarie22v4:
There's no argument here. Abuse is abuse. Neglect is neglect. Sure there are varying degrees. Trust me, I work in a methadone clinic myself, and see damaged, neglected children every day...not to mention the patients I deal with are often a product of said abuse and/or neglect.
The fact is that CIO likely damaging, it betrays the caretaker bond and it puts the helpless child, who can not speak for itself, in a vulnerable position. Why? So mom and dad can get more sleep, or because parents have been duped into thinking that their babies need to be taught how to sleep? Rubbish. The fact is that the CIO parent just got tired of being sleepy, so the choice was made to let the helpless baby scream itself to sleep so they don't have to be bothered by the inconvenience of it anymore. Did the baby *learn* how to sleep? Nope. It just learned there was no point in crying because mommy and daddy weren't coming to save them. If that works for you then fine, but don't console yourself with the argument that "well, there are *more* abused kids out there." Yeah, well that's right up there with the "well _______ happened to me and I turned out just fine," argument. Just because your child isn't *really* abused or *really* neglected doesn't mean they aren't suffering. I don't need science to back me up. I have a conscience and an instinct when it comes to my children that I choose to listen to.
So yeah...that's my opinion and I'm entitled to it...and I'm FAR from embarrassed by it.

The key in all this is that it's your opinion. It's not fact, FAR from it. You are certainly free to rely on whatever source, conscience, or instinct you wish in making parenting decisions. But when casting judgment on others for choosing differently, your opinion should carry precious little weight. What should carry more weight is the actual evidence on one side or the other. And while you discard the AAP's advice on this topic because you disagree with their advice on other topics, some of us want to make more informed and well, scientifically sound decisions. And to that end, we look to the experts in the field, not the lay people with mommy instincts.

You minimize the effect of sleep deprivation on new parents, and yet I'm sure it wouldn't take long to find research on how sleep deprivation increases stress and depression, especially among mothers. It's not about selfish parents wanting Baby to fit into their lives. Babies NEED sleep for healthy growth. Moreover, maternal depression, which is correlated with disturbed/inconsistent infant sleep, is serious business and I daresay more harmful to children than a couple of nights of Ferberizing or CIO.

There are a lot of parenting decisions we will make that could be judged by those on high horses, and yet the vast majority of those decisions will not have long-term meaningful differences on how our children turn out. "Experts" who have twisted attachment theory or tried to extrapolate the outcomes of institutionalized children to those of securely attached children living with their parents shouldn't be taken seriously, especially when the research doesn't support their theories.

So, ultimately, do whatever you want, but I'll gently suggest that you not be so quick to pick up stones.

Meery82 · May 2013

klasala318:
allisonmarie22v4:
Meery82:
jess9802:
I am very clever, Allison, but I'm not a total b!tch. I wasn't referring to your personal story at all, but go ahead and feel insulted.
I worked for the Division of Children and Family Services in college in the Adolescent Unit of Child Welfare Services. I worked directly with children in the foster care system, all of whom had been abused and neglected by their mothers, fathers, grandparents, and other relatives. The abuse they suffered wasn't being left to cry in a crib for five or ten minutes at a time for a few nights. We're talking beatings, rape, exposure to domestic violence and drug abuse, inadequate food, clothing, and shelter, and exposure to truly dangerous situations. THAT is the kind of child abuse and maltreatment that deserves outrage.
But by all means, you and Alicia should wear the Sanctimommy crown and cry at night over the poor helpless suburban 10 month olds subjected to "Ferberizing" so you can feel self-righteous. It still doesn't mean the science is on your side.
I doubt there's any substantial argument you can make after reading this. So again, go away. Don't embarrass yourself further.
There's no argument here. Abuse is abuse. Neglect is neglect. Sure there are varying degrees. Trust me, I work in a methadone clinic myself, and see damaged, neglected children every day...not to mention the patients I deal with are often a product of said abuse and/or neglect.
The fact is that CIO likely damaging, it betrays the caretaker bond and it puts the helpless child, who can not speak for itself, in a vulnerable position. Why? So mom and dad can get more sleep, or because parents have been duped into thinking that their babies need to be taught how to sleep? Rubbish. The fact is that the CIO parent just got tired of being sleepy, so the choice was made to let the helpless baby scream itself to sleep so they don't have to be bothered by the inconvenience of it anymore. Did the baby *learn* how to sleep? Nope. It just learned there was no point in crying because mommy and daddy weren't coming to save them. If that works for you then fine, but don't console yourself with the argument that "well, there are *more* abused kids out there." Yeah, well that's right up there with the "well _______ happened to me and I turned out just fine," argument. Just because your child isn't *really* abused or *really* neglected doesn't mean they aren't suffering. I don't need science to back me up. I have a conscience and an instinct when it comes to my children that I choose to listen to.
So yeah...that's my opinion and I'm entitled to it...and I'm FAR from embarrassed by it.
look, my child is not being neglected or abused or forgotten about or damaged by me letting him fuss for a few minutes before going in to comfort him. I'm not letting him cry for hours and hours. And I'm certainly not doing it so I can get more sleep myself. I don't mind the snuggle sessions, it's the fact that my sweet baby, who loves me and knows I'm here for him whenever he needs, was nothing but sleepy and cranky all day every day for the last month because he was barely getting sleep. He wasn't even getting sleep with me or on me.
A smarty pants like yourself should know that a baby cant live off of a few hours a sleep....
And now he is his happy self again because I let him figure things out a few minutes at a time on his own. He knows I'm here, I make sure he knows that, but I also want him to be a strong independent individual and that is exactly what he is. He wakes up smiling now, and happy now, not yawning and screaming.
he is perfect, and healthy and one of the happiest babies I have ever met. END. OF. DISCUSSION.

Kim, you don't need to justify yourself. You are doing what's right for Parker and that's all that matters.

I'm done with this discussion as well. It's pointless.

champ579 · May 2013

Loving reading all this drama, apparently working in a methadone clinic makes you an expert on everything parenting related. You would think being married to a sexual deviant would also make you an expert...alas, not In this case. Get off the cross Mary, we need the wood...

yep, I went there.

abbyhannah8 · May 2013

I seriously can not get over the irony of someone who lives with and had children with a freaking sex offender lecturing another mother about what is harmful and neglectful to kids! You are some kind of crazy lady!!! I would say letting your children live with a sex offender and potentially exposing friends of your kids to that person is pretty neglectful. Thanks for the good laugh!

Asquared · May 2013

I'm nominating you for best reply ever!! Very well put!

jess9802:
I am very clever, Allison, but I'm not a total b!tch. I wasn't referring to your personal story at all, but go ahead and feel insulted.
I worked for the Division of Children and Family Services in college in the Adolescent Unit of Child Welfare Services. I worked directly with children in the foster care system, all of whom had been abused and neglected by their mothers, fathers, grandparents, and other relatives. The abuse they suffered wasn't being left to cry in a crib for five or ten minutes at a time for a few nights. We're talking beatings, rape, exposure to domestic violence and drug abuse, inadequate food, clothing, and shelter, and exposure to truly dangerous situations. THAT is the kind of child abuse and maltreatment that deserves outrage.
But by all means, you and Alicia should wear the Sanctimommy crown and cry at night over the poor helpless suburban 10 month olds subjected to "Ferberizing" so you can feel self-righteous. It still doesn't mean the science is on your side.

AintNobodyGotTime · May 2013

allisonmarie22v4:
speer06:
allisonmarie22v4:
speer06:
allisonmarie22v4:
   
Oh, and nice jab about child abuse, neglect and exploitation.  You're so clever.  
Just remember, you said it, not Jess...sounds like your projecting her words onto your own situation and not the other way around? 
No, actually, she said it.  She specifically brought it up. Learn to read.  Kthx. 
Obviously you are the one lacking reading comprehension skills. She merely said that outrage would be better saved for the real ways children are abused. You inferred that she implied you were in some way abusing and neglecting your children. 

OK...whatever. I know a snide jab when I see it.

Moving on. CIO is abusive and neglectful, hence my outrage. Durp.

LOL...have you forgotten who you're married to?

JessieCupcake · May 2013

abbyhannah8:
I seriously can not get over the irony of someone who lives with and had children with a freaking sex offender lecturing another mother about what is harmful and neglectful to kids! You are some kind of crazy lady!!! I would say letting your children live with a sex offender and potentially exposing friends of your kids to that person is pretty neglectful. Thanks for the good laugh!

*applause*

Gismo123 · May 2013

abbyhannah8:
I seriously can not get over the irony of someone who lives with and had children with a freaking sex offender lecturing another mother about what is harmful and neglectful to kids! You are some kind of crazy lady!!! I would say letting your children live with a sex offender and potentially exposing friends of your kids to that person is pretty neglectful. Thanks for the good laugh!

LoL ya talk about the kettle calling the pot black She is the LAST person to talk about child abuse and for sure wouldn't win parent of the year O.o

Seriously these 2 wack jobs act like they have PHD's on the subject and tons of published articles. Guess what girls....YOU DON'T!

EmmyPumpkin · May 2013

Oh, and raising your children with a pedophile is soooo much better. Get the hell off this board.

"Nice siggy pics". Every time I look at you two I want to throw up.

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