F/U regarding the Pit post

Hopeforthebest · May 2013

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/10/jogger-death-pit-bulls_n_3249309.html

The article points out 5 incidents in just California all of death from Pit Bull attacks.

Not trying to get in a debate about responsible ownership and training vs. breed. Just pointing out the capability of this breed in particular.

Littlejen22 · May 2013

Hopeforthebest:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/10/joggerdeathpitbulls_n_3249309.htmlnbsp;The article points out 5 incidents in just California all of death from Pit Bull attacks.Not trying to get in a debate about responsible ownership and training vs. breed. Just pointing out the capability of this breed in particular.

Totally agree with you. The fact that these dogs were bred for bull baiting and fighting and their strong jaws means they pose a threat even if the particular dog is sweet. Let me tell you I grew up with a vicious little Shitz Tzu Lhaso Apso mix and he did bite probably 3 times even breaking the skin but none of those bites were anything more than just breaking the skin and never threatened the life of anyone. All it takes is a pitbull to feel threatened and they can kill.

Ginlyn0 · May 2013

I must have missed the first post.

We had the sweetest pit bull growing up. She never hurt a fly before she passed away. That said I was also attacked by a pit bull when I was 12 and at my girl scout troop leader's house. They had a two story old farm house and the stairs were on the outside leading to the second story. My parents came to pick me up and I walked down the stairs and then hopped off the bottom stair. The dog was around the corner and I didn't know it and it immediatly attacked my leg. Luckily, I wasn't seriously injured but do have a good size scar on my calf.

+just+j+ · May 2013

The first post was mine from yesterday about the daycare drama.

The lady that XH wanted to sit DD has a pit. I don't have issues with pits, but I do have issues with her behavior. She is a very negatively aggressive person. Not my ideal person around my daughter, especially with a pit.

The pit comment I made has led to this debate.

MarSamWhitney · May 2013

A pack of German Shepherds, a pack of Border Collies, a pack of Beagles could probably maul someone if they had the intent to. Still, very sad what happened to this woman, no doubt.

Its a shame that these dogs were given such a cruel hand in life.

and just j- I think its fair to say if this woman is not a good person, then she most likely hasn't trained her dog properly. Regardless of the type of breed of dog, I wouldn't leave my child with her either.

Littlejen22 · May 2013

MarSamWhitney:
A pack of German Shepherds, a pack of Border Collies, a pack of Beagles could probably maul someone if they had the intent to. Still, very sad what happened to this woman,nbsp;no doubt. nbsp;Its a shame that these dogs were given such a cruel hand in life. and just j I think its fair to say if this woman is not a good person, then she most likely hasn't trained her dog properly.nbsp; Regardless of the type of breed of dog, I wouldn't leave my child with her either. nbsp;nbsp;

We we are comparing a pack of breed though to an individual dog. I do agree that it is sad this is their hand at life though.

Phantomgirl · May 2013

I researched this and there is no evidence that they are more dangerous or aggressive than other dogs.

Also it is definitely on the owner of any dog to train and socialise them properly.

But they are fast and they are very strong! Also Pits and Staffies pump adrenaline so they will literally fight to the death.

I have a Staffordshire Bull Terrier, same blood lines as the Pits. I also have a German Shepherd and a Boxer. I would not like to be bitten by any of them.

I was playing with them over the weekend and they could pull me across the garden if i held on to a rope toy they play with. As a pack they would be lethal.

My mother won't get out of her car until all my dogs are secured.

I love each of my dogs. BUT we have a child safety gate so we can block them off if kids come to visit. We also have an out door pen if SS is playing football as my GSD will take the ball off him. He can jump over SS and SS is tall.

Pits or any other dogs in the wrong hands are like guns in the wrong hands. Dangerous!

Just J you are 100 right to be afraid of your DD around that dog. I would think you were a fool to let your DD stay with me without questioning my dogs safety.

You just never know! So always play safe where kids are concerned.

Littlejen22 · May 2013

Phantomgirl:
I researched this and there is no evidence that they are more dangerous or aggressive than other dogs.

Also it is definitely on the owner of any dog to train and socialise them properly.

But they are fast and they are very strong! Also Pits and Staffies pump adrenaline so they will literally fight to the death.

I have a Staffordshire Bull Terrier, same blood lines as the Pits. I also have a German Shepherd and a Boxer. I would not like to be bitten by any of them.

I was playing with them over the weekend and they could pull me across the garden if i held on to a rope toy they play with. As a pack they would be lethal.

My mother won't get out of her car until all my dogs are secured.

I love each of my dogs. BUT we have a child safety gate so we can block them off if kids come to visit. We also have an out door pen if SS is playing football as my GSD will take the ball off him. He can jump over SS and SS is tall.

Pits or any other dogs in the wrong hands are like guns in the wrong hands. Dangerous!

Just J you are 100 right to be afraid of your DD around that dog. I would think you were a fool to let your DD stay with me without questioning my dogs safety.

You just never know! So always play safe where kids are concerned.

Phantom this makes me like you even more! It is nice to see someone with those types of dogs acknowledge their potential instead of just sayin how sweet and cuddly they are and freak that people are not comfortable.

CurlyQ284 · May 2013

My BFF has a pit mix. I'm her godmother if something happens to my friend and her DH then I get Luna, she is such a love.

DHs half sister is a psycho. Her pits ate my SILs Lhasa puppy. Like literally ate him. I totally think its on the owner but I do have to agree that they have the capability to do more damage than some other breeds.

Phantomgirl · May 2013

piffle42:
I was going to post about this but I've been really busy. This happened about 45 minutes from where I live.

Phantom, I've read that they are more aggressive than other breeds. Some breeds of dogs are just generally more aggressive. Obviously you can train them starting as a puppy if you get them early, but they were originally breed to be strong and to have certain capabilities. I don't think that is necessarily exclusive to pit bulls but they have gotten a lot of attention in recent years.

Piffle I disagree. By nature they are beautiful dogs. But boy are they strong. Our Staffie is 11 years old and DH has her since she was a pup.

We had a weird/frightening experience last year. DH and I were walking the three dogs by a lake. This foreign guy approached us with a GSD mix off leash. His dog was really aggressive and growling at my GSD who was barking back trying to protect me. The guy asked DH and I to let our GSD teach his dog a lesson. I was freaking out and wanted him to get his dog and leave. All focus was on the two GSDs. Out of no where my staffie jumped and caught his dog my the throat. Mid air she flipped him onto his back and had him on the ground by the troath. She was on a leash and I caught her and pulled her off. Honestly she was reacting to the situation and protecting us and our GSD but it I think if she was off leash she would have killed that big dog in minutes.

The guy picked up his dog and left and DH and I were in shock.

I have NEVER let her off leash since, especially if I have one of the other dogs with me. Like I say, as a pack they could kill in seconds and they are very protective off each other.

Ilumine · May 2013

I have met Phantom's pit and was perfectly ok with her around Monkey...the way I am fine with any dog (my own dogs included).

Any dog can bite at any time.

The difference between pits and chihuahuas is their jaws. And as such, a nip by a punt-kick dog is not as bad as a warning nip from a GSD or Rottie.

With that being said, when I worked at the Animal Hospital, we kept a record of our dogs who bite and guess which breeds bit more? Dalmations and Poodles.

xmaryrickx · May 2013

Its ridiculous to say that pits are more dangerous than any other large, strong breed. Were they bred for bull baiting at one time? Yes. But they were also bred to be nursery nanny dogs.

There are plenty of breeds that were bred for their strength, endurance. And speed. Rhodesian ridgebacks bred to be lion hunters. Rottweilers. St. Bernards. Dobermans. GSD. Cane Corso. Mastiffs. I could go on, but any of these dogs could kill you just as easily as a pit.

I get that if you have a negative experience with a breed it can create ill feelings towards that breed, but it is also important to realize that any dog is capable of inflicting serious harm and death.

Phantomgirl · May 2013

Mary and illumine thank you! That's what I'm trying up say. My dogs are all my babies and have never shown aggression BUT all dogs are capable of inflicting injury AND the bigger stronger ones leave bigger injuries.

I love my dogs but I'm under no illusion to their capabilities so I take precautions to minimise the chances of it happening.

Much more condensed!

MarSamWhitney · May 2013

xmaryrickx:
Its ridiculous to say that pits are more dangerous than any other large, strong breed. Were they bred for bull baiting at one time? Yes. But they were also bred to be nursery nanny dogs. There are plenty of breeds that were bred for their strength, endurance. And speed. Rhodesian ridgebacks bred to be lion hunters. Rottweilers. St. Bernards. Dobermans. GSD. Cane Corso. Mastiffs. I could go on, but any of these dogs could kill you just as easily as a pit. I get that if you have a negative experience with a breed it can create ill feelings towards that breed, but it is also important to realize that any dog is capable of inflicting serious harm and death.

You said exactly what I was trying to say, but more eloquently. lol, thank you!

My border collie mutt was abused pretty badly when I got him years ago. It took tons of behaviour training and years and years of work to get this dog to be more normal and not want to attack everyone outside the family.

My GSD and PB mutts, wouldn't hurt a fly. Literally. A fly could land on their nose.

Sterotypes are not always right. If you abuse a dog, don't train him..etc..bad things happen. I'm pretty shocked with all of the information out there that people still think they have this locking jaw and are bred to kill.

fellesferie · May 2013

I love my GSD. She can be a sweet dog, but I'd not ever call her harmless. She's not aggressive; she is defensive. I'm honestly not sure what she would do if she thought someone was hurting one of the kids.

So we take precautions. We have taken her to obedience/protection training. We don't let her chase balls at the park when kids are in her path. We don't let her off leash around other kids (she wouldn't bite, but she's 70 lbs and has a head like a battering ram).

Annplus1 · May 2013

Pits are strong, smart and are constant pleasers. They will also constantly challenge their place in the "pack". If they are not owned and trained by someone who is aware of these issues, you will have a dog that is in charge, and any dog in charge is dangerous.

Pits can be the sweetest, most gentle dogs. I have owned two, and have fostered many. But will only foster puppies as the older dogs have usually been mistreated and thus are aggressive. Responsible dog ownership starts with training your dog to be safe around people.

In J's case, I wouldn't have allowed my DD at that person's house, even if her dog was a poodle. Any poorly trained dog is a threat.

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