CIO in the morning?

brandyleighxx · May 2013

Here's my problem: DS wakes up around 4am almost every morning. Some mornings, it's 3:45 even, others he makes it until DH's alarm goes off at 4:45 (but this is rare). He is still sleepy when he wakes up. He likes his diaper to be changed and hang out for a minute, but he can barely keep his eyes open 30 minutes after getting up at this time. If it's my day off, we go back to bed. He sleeps for exactly an hour, has a bottle, then ready for another nap only an hour later so back to bed we go. If it's a work day, he doesn't get a nap until 8-something at daycare (and this makes him hard to deal with by about 6am when I'm getting ready for work). He doesn't eat overnight and hasn't since he was 8 weeks old. He goes to sleep on his own in his crib and sleeps through until 4am. He naps 2-3 times a day, the last one is usually around 2pm (he dropped his late afternoon nap more than a month ago - refuses it). I've tried keeping him up later at night and that makes it worse. For the past week, I've been making him stay in his crib until at least 5 am (so he babbles for about a half hour then cries for another half hour). Should I let him CIO until he falls asleep? He still sleeps in our room and it's not an option to move him into his own room yet.

brandyleighxx · May 2013

Linzlu214:
My baby does the same thing. I read on Troublesometots.com that cio won't work in the morning because the baby is too well rested at that point to cry till he falls asleep. My baby wakes up at 4, eats, then goes back to sleep in his crib for another couple of hours or so. But when he won't do that, I either try to get him to sleep in my bed or I just have to get up.

I am ok with getting up with him if he's truly ready to be awake but the fact that he's still so sleepy but not ready for a bottle for another 2 hours baffles me.

ccam · May 2013

Is it an every day thing or do you think it's just a phase? DS was doing the same thing for a while, but went back to waking up around 6.

rp-chicago-mom · May 2013

I refuse to get Howell before 6:30. I might let him be in bed with me but he is not allowed out of bed. He was getting up at 5:00. Now he gets up at 7:00. Also, is bedtime too early?

brandyleighxx · May 2013

It's definitely not a phase, this has been his wake up time for a long time.

Maizey06 · May 2013

Is it crying or just fussing? If it is just fussing, I would leave him in the crib. DD does this and will eventually fall back asleep.

brandyleighxx · May 2013

Baker_Bride:
I refuse to get Howell before 6:30. I might let him be in bed with me but he is not allowed out of bed. He was getting up at 5:00. Now he gets up at 7:00. Also, is bedtime too early?

We would like for him to go to bed later but he started refusing his afternoon nap over a month ago, now his last nap has him waking up around 2, 3 if we're lucky so it's hard yo keep him up past 6:30 some nights. Yesterday, I MADE him nap at 4 and it took a solid hour to get him to fall asleep but he did so he went to bed at nearly 8pm and woke up at 3:50. I was bringing him to bed at 4 for the longest time then I wondered if by doing so he was being taught to wake up early by habit.

brandyleighxx · May 2013

Maizey06:
Is it crying or just fussing? If it is just fussing, I would leave him in the crib. DD does this and will eventually fall back asleep.nbsp;

It starts as babbling, fussing, then turns to a cry. Partly I think because he knows we're in the room but I can't move him out until he sleeps later otherwise he will wake up the stepkids at 4am. But as I said he isn't hungry until 6 and will ho back to sleep after I change him and let him hang out for a few. Within 30 mins, he cant keep his eyes open.

AmySmolos · May 2013

How long have you been leaving him to cry? As in how many weeks has this been happening? If he wants his diaper changed I would so that then put him back down to sleep. The one book I have that I can't think of the name Healthy Sleep Healthy Kids??? Anyways it says to not go to your baby until 6 if there is an early wake time and eventually they will learn and adjust their day time sleep to that schedule. I don't do sleep training but I don't get ds until 6 if he wakes up early. Most days he wakes around 6:30.
Sorry for the ramble...

brandyleighxx · May 2013

AmySmolos:
How long have you been leaving him to cry? As in how many weeks has this been happening? If he wants his diaper changed I would so that then put him back down to sleep. The one book I have that I can't think of the name Healthy Sleep Healthy Kids??? Anyways it says to not go to your baby until 6 if there is an early wake time and eventually they will learn and adjust their day time sleep to that schedule. I don't do sleep training but I don't get ds until 6 if he wakes up early. Most days he wakes around 6:30. Sorry for the ramble...

Just this past week. As I mentioned above, he is in our room and I don't want to move him out until he sleeps later because he would be in the room with my stepson on the weekends and I don't want him being woken up at 4am. So, what DH & I have been doing is leaving the room (I'll go to my stepson's bed, he goes to the couch until he needs to get ready for work) and leaving him to cry - but I haven't been very dedicated as after about 30 minutes of crying, I let him get up, do a diaper change, let him hang out with DH for a few before he leaves, then we go back to bed and he sleeps for an hour.

piphigirl · May 2013

We get Charlotte at 7:00. Period. If she wants to talk to herself, play, or fuss, fine. She will typically go back to sleep unless it's like 6:40 when she wakes up.

She is on her own room, though, which helps.

brandyleighxx · May 2013

piphigirl:
We get Charlotte at 7:00. Period. If she wants to talk to herself, play, or fuss, fine. She will typically go back to sleep unless it's like 6:40 when she wakes up.
She is on her own room, though, which helps.

Yeah, I think this is the key here. But it's just not an option.

Thanks for letting me bounce ideas off of you ladies!

jodegaard · May 2013

I don't know if this helps since you said moving him is not an option. But we're in a one bedroom apartment and James's crib is in our room. He clearly sleeps better and longer when he's not in our room. If he can see us, he'll just scream, so I set up the PNP in the living room. When he wakes up around 2 or 3 am and stands up in his bed, I just go put him there and he goes back to sleep.

oprastr · May 2013

We follow "Healthy Sleep Habits Healthy Kids," and anything before 6am is considered a MOTN event and baby should go back to bed. I feel your pain about stepkids. I have two and while nobody has to share rooms at our house we have been trying to keep Audrey as quiet as possible in the MOTN for them. HOWEVER, finally had to sit them down, explain that we may have a couple of rough nights and that we would all be tired, but we needed to let Audrey CIO. If we could get through a couple of tough days it would be better for us all. Are your stepkids old enough to have a conversation like that?

I think your best move would be to get LO out of your room even if it makes it tough on one of the stepkids for a couple of nights.

Good luck, this sleep stuff is hard!

AmySmolos · May 2013

brandyleighxx:
AmySmolos:
How long have you been leaving him to cry? As in how many weeks has this been happening? If he wants his diaper changed I would so that then put him back down to sleep. The one book I have that I can't think of the name Healthy Sleep Healthy Kids??? Anyways it says to not go to your baby until 6 if there is an early wake time and eventually they will learn and adjust their day time sleep to that schedule. I don't do sleep training but I don't get ds until 6 if he wakes up early. Most days he wakes around 6:30.
Sorry for the ramble...
Just this past week. As I mentioned above, he is in our room and I don't want to move him out until he sleeps later because he would be in the room with my stepson on the weekends and I don't want him being woken up at 4am. So, what DH & I have been doing is leaving the room (I'll go to my stepson's bed, he goes to the couch until he needs to get ready for work) and leaving him to cry - but I haven't been very dedicated as after about 30 minutes of crying, I let him get up, do a diaper change, let him hang out with DH for a few before he leaves, then we go back to bed and he sleeps for an hour.

Is there any way you can get up and do the diaper change then put him back down and tell him night night right away? Then if he still fusses at least you know he's ok and he can work it out until at least 6. Just a thought. Good luck!

Chaojinaiba · July 2013

After moving to a new place, my 14 month old started waking tired between 5 and 6am, when he previously woke at 7 or 7:30. After a week of this, I forced myself to not go into his room until at least 6:30am. He cried and fussed about 30 minutes and then fell back to sleep. By day 3 he was sleeping (or at least perfectly quiet) until 7 or 7:30 again. I also cut back on liquids just before bed as I think a wet diaper may have been part of the reason he was waking and crying. Morning CIO seems to work and the crying is a lot less violent than nighttime CIO, but would likely wake the step kids so good idea to move him out and have a talk with the step kids.

jillybean7582 · August 2013

Is your stepson only there weekends or did I misread that?

If he is only there on weekends can you move him on a Sunday night after your stepson is gone then you have 5 nights to work with him before stepson comes back. 5 nights would be enough for most babies to adjust.

piphigirl · August 2013

This might be of help to some people: https://www.babywisemom.com/2013/07/5-6-am-night-wakings.html

latnprincess · August 2013

Anything before 6:30 I let him CIO. Especially 3:45 or 4. Liam was doing that. He would wake to eat and then back down till 7. But I had him CIO like 2 weeks ago. And now he's sleeping from 8pm-7am,no wake ups. It took like 4 days and lots of crying from about 4-7 on and off. But like on night 4, I think it was, he finally STTN. He is also in his own room. I moved him over around 6 months, even though he was still doing 1-2 wake ups a night because I noticed when he was in our room any little movement would wake him. He's a light sleeper. And I also work, and had to do it during the work week, but for him to do 8-7 now is worth a few days of little sleep for me.

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