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Jasmineeelizabeth
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Vaccines
Jasmineeelizabeth
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I know many of you are questioning vaccines and whether or not the risks outweigh the benefits.
Last night I watched The Vaccine War on netflix and had all of my questioned answered. (https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/vaccines/ )
If you have not seen it I highly, highly recommend it, it gives a lot of really great information so you can make an informed decision.
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Re: Vaccines
Actually the film really made me realize how important they are, especially in terms of herd immunity. Although I will hold off on Hep B after birth and may do a delayed schedule. I am in no way anti vaccine. Have you seen the documentary?
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Source for this info?
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In the words of the Walter from The Finder (dang I miss that show), "I'm gonna risk it."
What are you afraid the effects of mercury from vaccines are?
I work in the medical research industry (non-profit) and see how many hoops must be jumped through just to prove safety before a vaccine, drug, or medical intervention can be used for a large study cohort. Then they have several phases that must prove efficacy before it can be widely distributed. The rules and regulations surrounding what goes into our bodies medically is far more governed than what you eat at McDonald's.
A different form of mercury is used in vaccines. Vaccines do not contain Methylmercury , they contain Ethylmercury which does not build up in the body and cause harm.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concerns/thimerosal/thimerosal_faqs.html
Let's do a quick fact check here - I believe the organomercury compound your referring to is called 'thimerosal.' Also, there are two types of mercury: ethyl and methyl mercury. Only one of those types is the 'bad mercury' that bioaccumulates in your system and makes you sick. Thimerosal is NOT that kind of mercury - you will get more mercury from a can of tuna fish than you will from a vaccine.
Also, this is really a moot point, because thimerosal has been completely removed from vaccines after people started making a fuss about them (there has been absolutely no mercury in routine childhood vaccines since the year 2000).
Vaccines are one of the greatest achievements of the human race, and I think that declining usage is causing some diseases to come back with a vengeance - like pertussis. I urge everyone to vaccinate their children.
I would still recommend you watch the documentary. Your views are shown and the reasons behind them, but it also has footage of these diseases that have come up in the US quite recently, and many world wide studies that I was unaware of. Many of these were on the mercury and it's affects.
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This is incredibly dumb and dangerous to promote. It shows a complete and utter lack of understanding of chemistry, biology, and immunology. The mercury used in some vaccines is less harmful than the mercury a person would consume from a can of tuna. Attitudes like this one are the reason why we are seeing outbreaks of diseases like pertussis. It's dangerous for all of our kids, especially the ones who can't be immunized for valid medical reasons. Herd immunity is important. Anti-vaxxers piss me off because they rely on pseudo-science to encourage people to make decisions which are not medically sound. The whole "It's not for me and my family" is a BS copout.
Fact is that you didn't get sick because we were all vaccinated and herd immunity protected you.
If people stop vaccinating their children, there becomes holes in this herd immunity and scary fatal diseases can (and have) come back. The people most at risk are older people and young babies, and anyone that has a compromised immune system or cannot get the vaccines due to allergies or other conditions. The reason people get upset when others don't vaccinate is because it's not only your family you are affecting.
If you lived on an isolated hippie commune, it'd be a different story. But you said that you went to public school, and I'm assuming your children will do the same. This scares people.
The reason that I recommended that particular documentary was that it had a lot of highly respected scientists, doctors and anti vaccine advocates and data from all over the world. It provided me with peer reviewed information without reading a ton of long boring scientific articles (although I did that too).
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You are entitled to your own opinions, but you are not entitled to your own facts. Facts don't change because you don't like them. You're spouting BS, you are discouraging people from vaccinating and you're contributing to an attitude that is creating a huge public health risk.
Can you show me a peer reviewed scientific article that recommends everyone stop vaccinating their children?
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You show up on this board and post BS, and you're telling someone else to "keep researching"? Seriously? Nothing you've said here has been informed. Your anecdotal evidence of "I haven't been sick" coupled with your misinformation (trust me, I'm being generous, I should say "lies" and not "misinformation") about vaccine preservatives is your basis for not vaccinating. It's idiotic, and you have some serious nerve to tell someone else that they should do more research, implying that they'll reach the same idiotic conclusion you did. Anyone who spends any amount of time reviewing the volumes of peer-reviewed scientific research on vaccination will understand how important it is. It is the reason we have more or less eradicated polio in this country. People don't die from the flu by the millions like they used to. Not a single thing that you are promoting would be supported by any amount of research, it's all utter BS.
I have yet to encounter one of you anti-vaxxers who is knowledgable, informed, and understands science. We had a bunch of babies die from a pertussis outbreak in CA a couple of years ago, and other states are now experiencing the same thing. You should be ashamed for promoting your anti-science views.
Sorry, did a ghost hijack your account and post this doozy?
You're not very smart, and you're trying to persuade people that if they do enough research about vaccines, they'll come to the same conclusion you did. You're wrong. Intelligent, well-researched people do not reach that conclusion.
Dumbest post ever. "You should research, not rely on actual research and form your own unfounded opinions not based on fact!" Well OK then. You go ahead and argue your OPINION (emphasis, bold, underline, italics) that vaccines are bad, based on FACTS (that you seem to know none of), and we'll just nod our heads and smile. Meanwhile, hopefully enough people know how dumb your decision is and get themselves and their children vaccinated, so the vulnerable in our society don't end up sick or dead.
Ditto. I know she's "done" with the thread, but I'd love to see this inconsistency explained.
She had to be the dumbest person ever to post in a vaccine thread. And there have been some stupid anti-vaxxers on here.
I loved the argument that we all need to stop following actual proven, peer reviewed scientific studies and DO SOME REAL research!! I also love that she had no clue that there are different types of mercury. Not a clue!
Dccornel: I think what people are asking is. What sources or research did you use to form your opinions? You say you are "well researched" and "well informed" but we have yet to see evidence of any research that you've done. Does that make sense?
We can't believe you actually researched anything if you don't share with the class the obviously persuasive information that had you come to such a mind boggling decision to not vaccinate your children. I would really like to see the information posted.
How is someone supposed to "do their research" if both sides are not adequately represented in this debate? You brought your opinion to the table, but nothing to back it up. That makes me question how you came to this opinion. Does that make sense?
If your one assertion with any substance (the mercury one) is all you have then that's been debunked right here in this thread. So what "doesn't work" for your family? I'd really like to know.
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Oh, but she knew the difference! LOL. I think that is why she avoided my question twice. I can only respect someone's opinion if they tell me why they have it and she clearly missed the boat on that one.
Last case of polio in the U.S. was 1979 just saying.
The last case of polio in the U.S. may have been awhile back but polio is still around in other countries. Foreigners visit the U.S. by the thousands each day so who's to say that you won't come into contact with somebody from Pakistan or Nigeria who has the virus?
I am doing a delayed vaccination schedule but i do not consider myself to me anti vaccinations at all.
I will explain exactly why I am choosing to do it and it has nothing to do with autism.
Every time a child, adult, or animal gets a vaccination it compromises the immune system. It does so, in order for the person to gain immunity to whatever illness/disease you are trying to prevent. I do not personally want my child's immune system to be compromised with more then one vaccination at a time. I also do not one my 24 hour old infants immune system compromised.
I think living in the US we have the right to make these decisions for ourselves and for our families. Remember no matter how much you want every child that comes in contact with your child to be vaccinated it will never happen. Its the same reason we have rights to, freedom of speech, to own guns and to pray.
Agreed! Most of the schools have rules that children can't even start unless they up to date on essential vaccines! That is for a reason, I wouldn't want my child to be unprotected against a preventable disease and put other peoples children at risk also! I feel like its your choice as a parent but it's also my choice as a parent not to expose my children to unnecessary risks, and I certainly those of you who chose to not vaccinate home school your children!
A delayed vaccination schedule is not neccessary for The majority of children. My first was put on a delayed schedule by her Dr. after having very negative side effects ( high uncontrollable fevers and screaming fits for hours) for her 2 month and 4 month vaccines. And by delayed I mean she would get 1 shot every two weeks until she was caught up for that age. What happend to her is extremely rare.
Thankfully dd2 never had the same reactions and follows a regular schedule. And I'm sure this one will follow a regular schedule as well.
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Patiently waiting for little brother!
Thank you!
Reseach does not equal watching an effing documentary! Nor is reading a few blogs. Nor is it reading an ingredient list!
My pedi has researched. I'm sticking with him. And whatever kick-ss bumpie is destroying this thread with her actual knowledge on the subject (I mean in the good way).
Just wanna say I have a science crush on you!
Actually the film really made me realize how important they are, especially in terms of herd immunity. Although I will hold off on Hep B after birth and may do a delayed schedule. I am in no way anti vaccine. Have you seen the documentary?
Thanks for posting this! I've been leaning towards exactly what you've mentioned (declining Hep B at birth, and possibly a delayed schedule for the rest) for a variety of reasons, so I'm interested to see what the experts have to say.
I've already been spreading the word to the family that if anyone plans to spend extended time with our LO next fall/winter they need to have an up to date pertussis vaccine. (My mom's a public health nurse, dad's a paramedic, and my DH's parents travel all over the world so thankfully the grandparents have all had the vaccine recently.) Thanks!
Yes, and the reason for this is because of everyone vaccinating and herd immunity. If lots of people decide to no longer vaccinate, herd immunity disappears and the disease makes a resurgance.