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vaccine links - help me decide!
Does anyone have any good links to research done in favor OR against vaccinations?? I need more info before I let the doc pump my kid full of mercury!! Thanks!!
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Re: vaccine links - help me decide!
As far as I know mercury has been removed from most vaccines...
As for education, the CDC website and Dr. Sears The Vaccine Book are good starts. I think its important to educate and then make your decision. No one can decide for you.
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Thanks for the reply! I didn't know about the Dr. Sears vaccine book!
From what I've researched so far, they only call them "mercury free" because they have LESS mercury than previous vaccines. They still contain mercury along with other things that have not been fully researched for their long term effects. EEK!
Um, you realize that if you eat fish or live in an area that has even a little air pollution, you and your kids are exposed to mercury, right? More than is in a vaccine. Mercury is not some big boogie monster.
I don't think there's any legitimate research against vaccines. Maybe some suggesting spacing them out or delaying specific ones until babies are a little older, but not against doing it.
DS, May 2011
naturalnews.com is a great research for me. They have tons of articles about vaccines. There are also some documentaries that my naturopath doctor suggested but we already made our decision so I didn't bother.
In terms of stuff for vaccines, er, just got to any .gov website. lol.
There is no real research that will recommend against vaccines. I would recommend looking into what the diseases that vaccines prevent will do to your child if contracted. A few photos of how terrible tetanus is are pretty convincing, as are the articles about babies that die every year of whooping cough.
These things are serious. Not getting vaccines is reckless.
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This book. He talks about all the ingredients on vaccines and the concerns about those ingredients. He also gives a delayed schedule for vaccination.
ETA: He recommends vaccinations as there is no valid anti- vaccine data out there!
This. I read everything with a "skeptic eye." I would never call the CDC unbiased but I also realize any anti-vaccine arguments are entirely anecdotal and not based on research. We follow a delayed schedule because I don't believe anyone, especially a small child needs several shots all at once. Some also don't make sense given a child's age (ie, we skipped hep b at birth but he will get it eventually).
I agree with all of this. I do not see the point of a delayed schedule, there is no research to back it up and so I will not do that. I stick to what's recommended.
EDIT I want to change there is no research to back it up to I haven't seen any research that proves a delayed schedule is better.
natural news isn't real research!
DS2 - Oct 2010 (my VBAC baby!)
Anytime I see a reference to Dr. Sears book (which discussed the delayed schedule) I put this response from Dr. Paul Offit up. This was published in the journal of pediatrics and provides an alternative perspective to the plan Dr. Sears lays out. I think it's an important counter-opinion to be considered with all your other research.
https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/123/1/e164.full
I agree. Natural news isn't real research, just like watching CNN for politics isn't really understanding the issues. It's each person's responsibility to look further into the studies that are citied within the articles. I find it to be a good starting point; however, because they mention things that are taboo on other websites.... such tampering with evidence to make vaccines pass standards.... or the fact that they are patented so often that it's hard to get good, precise studies on certain ones before a "new vax" hits the market.
I don't know how to make PDFs work on thebump. But you can find a study done by the UK via this mothering.com thread. It shows how JCVI purposely altered research to meet their own agenda. I would say that this evidence showing that these types of organizations are unethical say more about the vaccine argument than anything specifically "anti-vax" can.
https://www.mothering.com/community/t/1371834/secret-government-documents-reveal-vaccines-to-be-a-total-hoax#post_17224489
Thank you for sharing that link!
Awesome. I'll check that out!
DS #1 born 05/25/2012
BFP#2: 06/12/2013 ---- loss
DS #2 born 4/08/2014
BPF#4: 2/1/2016 --- 2/23/2016 suspected molar pregnancy--- 3/15/2016 D&E - diagnosis MM
BFP#5 - 9/22/2016
* formally bornmommy
You can ask for single dose, unpreserved version of vaccines, and even the multi-dose ones are going to have less mercury than you'd consume in a can of tuna. Any link between vaccination and/or mercury and autism has been thoroughly debunked. There shouldn't be any reason to "EEK!" about vaccines.
There is not a single scientifically sound, peer-reviewed piece of research which supports not vaccinating, delaying vaccination, or vaccinating on an alternative schedule.
We will vaccinate, and do so per the recommended CDC/AAP schedule, as we did with our son (who anecdotally is bright, gorgeous, and very healthy).
The woman who did that study is just another anti-vaxxer https://radiofreethinker.com/2011/05/20/declare-your-agenda/
"Of course, the crazy didn?t end there. At one point Tomljenovic cited a paper by Andrew Wakefield. Yes, the guy who?s being charged with negligence and is being stripped of all his medical credentials for being a public health menace."
DS2 - Oct 2010 (my VBAC baby!)
this! I would even go further and say there is no scientific evidence that points to spacing vaccinations out being beneficial in any way. It just means your kids takes more time to acquire immunity and gets poked more times.
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I don't see why it's surprising that the people who publish findings that are not in favor of vaccinating are "anti-vaxxers." That's like saying that the articles FOR vaccines are skewed because I'm sure all those people vaccinate. I don't see sound logic, no offense.
As far as your thing about Andrew Wakefield is concerned: I'm not too well versed on him so I have little opinion. My main testimonial on anti-vax is the autism rates in the US & Canada vs Asian countries that have a "delayed" vax schedule. That's not 100% saying that vaccinations are the cause. It might (probably) is also in our delicious GMO food, fluoridated water, vaccines, and probably other reasons too.
Perhaps it's Genetic, yet I doubt.... at least not enough to explain why it's on the rise so much.
Listen Jenny, did you ever stop to think that maybe the US diagnoses autism more than other nations because we have more attentive doctors?
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This, as well as, autism being frequently misdiagnosed.
There was an actual study that found problems with vaccines! I'd give you the link but it turned out that the doctor was a fraud and his study an elaborate hoax...
As for research in favor of vaccines, just read up on the devastation caused by these illnesses. In areas where many parents aren't vaccinating, these diseases are making a comeback. For example, look up the 2008 measles outbreak in San Diego.
Even if there are legitimate risks to vaccines they are outweighed by the very serious risks posed by the illnesses they protect against. We are lucky that we don't know what it's like to live in a country that has controlled so many infectious diseases. Unfortunately, not having memories of outbreaks with widespread and catastrophic consequences is leading many parents to put their children at risk by not vaccinating.
The problem with people who publish anti-vax claims is that they are making that crap up. Like someone else said previously, no sound study has shown a link between vaccinations and any of the horrible side effects they claim.
You come on here and recommend Natural News for "vaccine information", yet you don't know who Andrew Wakefield is? Color me shocked!
"In January 2011, an editorial accompanying an article by Brian Deer in BMJ identified Wakefield's work as an "elaborate fraud".[1][16][17] In a follow-up article,[18] Deer said that Wakefield had planned to launch a venture on the back of an MMR vaccination scare that would profit from new medical tests and "litigation driven testing".[19] In November 2011, yet another report in BMJ[20] revealed original raw data indicating that, contrary to Wakefield's claims in the Lancet, children in his research did not have inflammatory bowel disease.[21][22]
Wakefield's study and public recommendations against the use of the combined MMR vaccine were linked to a steep decline in vaccination rates in the United Kingdom and a corresponding rise in measles cases, resulting in serious illness and fatalities.[23][24][25] Wakefield has continued to defend his research and conclusions, saying there was no fraud, hoax or profit motive.[26][27]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield
Oh, andplusalso, autism is not caused by vaccines. If you're not going to vaccinate, you need to find a better reason. There are a million possibilities as to why the US has higher rates of autism, but GMOs, *fluoridated water* and vaccines are most likely, without a doubt, not the causes.
DS2 - Oct 2010 (my VBAC baby!)
All this!!
https://jezebel.com/5976746/vaccine-schedule-for-babies-is-totally-safe-no-evidence-its-linked-to-any-developmental-disorders
(Click links within article for primary sources)
I probably shouldn't jump in on this, but I've met Andrew Wakefield, and watched his presentation on the MMR vax linked to gut disease and autism. (The images will make you cry). I also read Brian Deer's website dedicated to defaming both Wakefield and his studies.
At the end of the day, Wakefield is a really nice, genuine, sincere guy, IMO. I truly believe he cares for the kids he encountered who had problems from the MMR vax.
There's a lot of fishy stuff surrounding Brian Deer and his place in the actual court case against Wakefield. One thing I found fishy is that his financial support/income during the hundreds of hours he spent at the courthouse to work against Wakefield is elusive, at best. As with any scandal... follow the money. *wink*
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He falsified data and doctored a study. Nothing "nice" about that. The only money to follow is straight into Wakefiled's pocket; he was found to have profited from his own fraud, and it was revealed that he was making money performing unnecessary tests on children with autism, after diagnosing them with ailments which they did not have. Because of his study, there was a huge decline in people getting their children immunized for MMR, and that resulted in illness and death. He has blood on his hands. He's truly a menace to society because he posed a huge public health risk to potentially millions of kids, and disrupted the herd immunity for everyone else.
Who died?
Children that didn't get vaccinated, and people that contracted diseases like measles from them.
I'll let him go halfsies with McCarthy: https://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/Anti-Vaccine_Body_Count/Home.html
I'll blame him for 500 deaths. In the USA, more elsewhere I'm sure.
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Hundreds of people died, many of them infants and children.
In the UK, after he published his study, that very first year they had their first death from measles in 6 years. By the following year not only were they dealing with measles outbreaks, they had a massive mumps outbreak. Diseases that because of herd immunity were damn near eradicated were now reaching epidemic levels. A child who was not immunized traveled with his family to Europe and brought back measles, and that resulted in an outbreak in San Diego that ultimately exposed hundreds of people an infected a dozen more.