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August 2012 Moms
mindymaske
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Follow up to sand hook post
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So I read the post about the Sandy Hook conspiracy but I don't think ppl understand what exactly the rumor is. I watched the video and It is claiming that it was all made up that there wasn't any shooting/deaths. It offers "evidence" that some of the parents are actually actors. One part of the video shows one of the supposedly deceased children being caught on tape 2 weeks after the shooting. Also shows that a FB page set up for donations, for one of the deceased children was created within a few minutes of the shooting, while the school was on lockdown. Anyway, I'm not sure I believe any of it but I just wanted to clarify that the video/allegations are not that the ppl were murdered for a political agenda, it's claiming it never happened.
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Re: Follow up to sand hook post
i'm sure stuff like this just irks the families in situations like this. i understand where the conspiricy comes from, but Obama said he was going to do gun legislation his seccond term long before Colorado and Sandy Hook ever happned.
its just sad, one way or the other. people have tried to capitalize on the deaths and its just wrong.
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I would just like to piggy-back and say that although I don't think it was a conspiracy, there are some interesting things in the video. IE: The medical examiner not making ANY kind of sense and seeming like the whole thing was a big joke. Also the father of one of the victims laughing and smiling the night his daughter was shot and killed until he realized he was on camera, and then put on a sad face. I'm not trying to take away from anyone's grief but I can't fathom acting the way the guy was acting if my child had just passed away.
Just saying it might be worth watching the video rather than discounting it, because it also brings up the fact that fundraising pages for victims were created prior to the shooting even happening.
FFS, are y'all for real right now?
Like I said, I don't think it's a conpsiracy. It's kind of hard to fake 26 people being dead. What I said was there are interesting things in the video. And someone making a couple a$$bag out of themselves is interesting. Someone smiling and laughing after his kid dies until he realizes the camera is rolling is interesting.
Interesting doesn't mean I think the whole thing was a hoax.
Edited for bad spelling.
Yes, to say the whole thing was made up is crazy. What I'm saying is that there were some weird things in that video. I can understand hating the video for what it's trying to come across as.
But the medical examiner and the dad thing, especially, made no sense to me.
Also, thanks for cutting off the rest of what I wrote to try to make it look like I was offering the video as solid proof. I love people trying to twist what I say even when I preface with "I don't think it was a conspiracy".
FFS.
How on earth do you keep a secret like that?
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Oh, I understand what the "conspiracy" is claiming to have happened perfectly well. The "theorist" and creator of the video is claiming the government staged the whole thing and used professional actors for the medical examiner and parents, etc. And the creator of that video is trying to also suggest that it was all done by the executive branch in support of making harsher gun laws. So it actually is claiming that murders (whether pretend or real) happened as the result of a planned and staged event supported by our government.
I still stand by my comments on the OP though. Interesting/Odd/Weird =/= Fake or a Hoax. What that guy is claiming disgusts me. It is disrespectful to the families that lost their children and loved ones. Period.
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Not saying it's a hoax but it's really odd indeed.
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Also, were there really pages created beforehand? I'd be interested in a link to that!
"C_mo is really a dude" made me snort laughing. I don't know why I found it so funny, but I did.
actually, it is not. Snopes explains it the dates hat google uses are often imprecise/wrong...
https://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp#actors
seriously. Snopes knows all. The best thing is snopes probably has a page showing that snopes knows all is a myth...
Ditto
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Editing to add.
If I remember correctly, there was no audio when they showed the dad being happy. How do we know what was going on then?
Also, a medical examiner that deals with dead people all day, is not someone I'd expect to be great at talking to people. A lot of times there's a reason they work with the deceased, not the living.
All I know is, you can dig, and come up with proof to anything if you look hard enough. It all depends on your POV.
I have no idea what snopes is, haha.
A parent, just finding out their child is dead, does not in all cases express grief immediately. The more extreme cases, it seems to me at least, they have a latent response. The shock factor in grieving is a coping mechanism, bc for some, they cannot deal with the magnitude of how horrific the death is.
Do not, do not, do not judge the way those poor parents reacted in those early hours of that terrible day.
Nope, I dont care to watch the video either.
I am a complete lurker coming out because this is driving me crazy!!
You aren't trying to take away from anyone's grief? Well you are by even thinking there is a possibility that this little kid's father is an actor. Have you had a child die in a school shooting (and also have several other classmates of your child in your community killed) and then approached by a billion news people asking questions? No? Okay, then you have no right to say how you would act after something like that. You have no idea what conversation he was having and based on my own experiences with grief, it is normal to feel more than one emotion after loss (especially within the first 24 hours). Smiling does not mean that he is completely lying. Who are you to make judgments about his actions?
Along with that.... the medical examiner story. Are you kidding me? I would anticipate that a lot of medical examiners out there are slightly awkward. Look at what they do for a living. He is obviously uncomfortable in the interview and it seems like he is a little awkward in general. And do you know why it was probably hard for people to explain things easily? Because this was an awful tragedy that no matter how many drills you do or classes you take as a professional you can never really be prepared for. The stories got jumbled a lot mostly because the media jumps on any bit of info they get before it has been proven to be true or false.
The webpages/facebook crap is just that...crap. It is easy to change things after the fact and make it look one way. People are obviously trying to create drama and the fact that people are clueless enough to blindly follow things they see in a youtube video is a good reason for them to do so. I am not a computer magi by any means but come on. I can name at least 10 computer geeks I know that could go make that happen without a problem.
In the video they also talk about multiple shooters... Ummm, hi...do a basic google search and read this:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/18/connecticut-school-shooting-survivor/1778431/
The staff member explains that they apprehended a janitor and a person outside because they weren't sure who was responsible for what once they arrived. News stations aren't airing that 'revealing' footage anymore because it is completely irrelevant, not because of some stupid conspiracy.
Two other completely ridiculous claims floating out there... The family posted a picture of Emilie with the president and that one of the parents is the same actor the govt hired to play the attorney for the guy in the Colorado shooting. Yeah, I'm sure the government is really stupid enough that they hired the same actor for two tragedies off of the same 'crisis actors' website.
I am all about questioning things but do your frackin research...and use some common sense.
Well anyway, how about that for a lurkers first time post?
I want to chest-bump you, drop the mic, and peace out of this effing nonsense. There is nothing "interesting" presented in these videos, it's all made up or misconstrued noise from idiots.
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So I'll address things in numbers to make it easier for your reading comprehension, since you seem to lack a bit. YWIA.
1. The father who spoke was getting ready for an interview. If you are one of the few people to watch the video (since no one here seems to have) you'll see that he was joking with others before he realized the camera was rolling. Then his demeanor changed. No one held a gun to the guy's head and said, "you have to give us this interview!!!!!" If he didn't want to give the interview, he didn't have to. To the people who say, "I don't know how I would act on camera..." The guy wasn't acting. He didn't think he was being filmed. I've been in a lot of traumatic events which include pulling people out of the water after they jumped off a bridge and giving their lifeless body CPR for several minutes. And I'll tell you this much, I didn't laugh that day, or the next, or the day after that. And I didn't even know the person! So if that guy's kid died, can you justify or even FATHOM what would make him happy enough to be smiling, or why his demeanor would change on camera? If you can, so be it, but I find it interesting. Also, please point out where I say he was lying?
2. The medical examiner, besides "chuckling", says a lot of conflicting things regarding what proximity the kids were shot and which guns were used. That has nothing to do with his awkwardness. What would the media's jumbled story have to do with his education and years of work? If he didn't know something, he could have simply stated so. Instead he gives a lot of conflicting data.
3. I will admint I'm wrong if the memorial pages weren't created prior to the shooting. There was a lot of pictures that were snipped and created the day of the shooting asking how the said websites were created prior to the shooting. If those are not real, I will accept that I'm wrong.
Those are thing I said were interesting about the video. As for the rest of the stuff you posted, I'm not even going to comment on because I don't believe the video or that the whole thing was a conspiracy. I just find it funny that people can have such strong opinions over something they never even watched.
Oh bless your heart...
I still stand by the fact that you have no right to judge how he was acting. How you deal with grief doesn't mean that anyone else should deal with it the same way. So what is the point that you are trying to make if it isn't that he is acting/lying? That he is a horrible person for smiling and laughing the day that a loved one was killed?
What the medical examiner also implied in his interview was that he has gotten into trouble in the past for talking about things that he shouldn't have in regards to crime scenes. Years of experience in my field aside, I also don't judge a guy for maybe getting a few things mixed up since I cannot imagine he has talked to several national news organizations on such an awful tragedy in his career.
I watched the video. What annoys me is that people who 'find a few things interesting' post and re-post this crap everywhere and it doesn't deserve the kind of attention it is getting. Also, not all of my post was directed at you...I am annoyed at the crazies blowing up my facebook wall with this crap and calling it gospel.
After this I'm not going to comment anymore because it seems like some of you ladies have nothing better to do than take portions of sentences and misrepresent a persons posting in its entirety in order to try to make yourself look cool on the Internet. I've beat this dead horse enough.
I know you said you were done, however I'd like to give just a little insight on some emotions of a parent that just lost their child.
First is **THIS IS SPAM** disbelieve. There is no way that its happening to you. It happens to other people not to you.
Second is that you think it's all made up. Someone is going to jump out and yell "you've just been punked" and your life will go one as you know it.
Then there is, what I call the kick your own ass, stag. Where over and over and over you try to think about what you, as the parent, should have done differently. Why did you let your baby die. Your job is to protect them with every thing. You sit and wish that you were dead, instead of your baby. You try to make a deal with what ever t is you believe in, that if they give you back your baby you will ......... (Insert everything that you think will make the deal work)
There is also the part where you think if I talk about the good times, and laugh and act like this isn't real then I'll wake up from this nightmare. You know, if I act like nothing's wrong, nothing will be wrong!
They aren't always in that order but they all show up. So maybe before you judge the way a grieving parent is acting you think about all that they are having to process. Maybe he was sharing "happy times" about his child with someone. And the emotions are a rollercoaster. One minute you're smiling, talking about that time she head butted your husband while is was in the womb and the next second you are so hysterical they have to sedate you for your own safety! ( and yeah, that last part happened to me, so I've been there)
edit: where it says THIS IS SPAM was like the tits of a cow.... So we will pretend it says complete
I seem to only want to join in when I find myself banging my head on the computer over something someone has posted (I almost posted when the girl admitted she hasn't taken her baby to the doctor the other day...yikes) but definitely love the board. Thanks for the welcome and maybe I will do an intro sometime and stop being such a creeper.
CaliVal... I'm sorry you feel like your words are being misconstrued.. I get what you are saying and where you are coming from but I still don't agree with you. I think your comment about people trying to be cool on the internet was really ridiculous but I still don't mind you because I think you are the one that called a lady out in Target at one point and that story made me laugh.
LoveofMikesLife... Once again, I'm a creeper but I have followed your comments and stories from the beginning on this board and no picture makes me happier on this board than seeing you and your little dude in your siggy. I wish everyone making assumptions about how a person should feel after losing a child would read your comments.
Katiejo please do an intro post, and join us more often.
LOML, your comment made me quite emotional. I really don't think anyone should know how that pain feels.
I didn't mean to make anyone emotional, sorry! I just thought the tiniest bit of insight to some thing like this would help.
But I really do appreciate all the support from you ladies. And I love creepy stalkers!
I feel like sometimes I kill the post but I'm hoping its just because it gives the people complaining something to think about.