clomid 150 mg 3rd round...quetions?!

jennaw1802 · December 2012

Hi everyone! I'm new to the board but thought I should post to vent and get some feedback! We have been TTC for months now and I am now on my 3rd round of clomid at 150mg. My first two months were on 100mg and my OBGYN said I "barely ovulated". This month on CD19 I got my first positive OPK!! I was thrilled. My husband and I took advantage of the situation and the next day I took another OPK and it was negative, so I am thinking I ovulated!! Well, I went to the doctor and got my blood taken on CD21. Te nurse was excited for me and thought I did ovulate based on the positive OPK. However the next day I got a call from my OBGYN and she was discouraged about my progesterone levels which was at 6.5. She was very rude and negative about it!! What happened?? She said the clomid is making a "fake" positive on the OPK. What the heck?? She also is convinced I am definitely not pregnant this month. I am so discouraged and frustrated! Does anyone think that maby since I got tested only 2 days after my supposed ovulation that my levels are still low?? ANY help would be greatly appreciated!!!

jennaw1802 · December 2012

Can you just leave me alone? Thanks.

JustWonderin805 · December 2012

jennaw1802:
Can you just leave me alone? Thanks.

Oh, snap. Confused

smscartozzi · December 2012

My advise is that you should be seeing an RE if you want to take fertility drugs. That way you are properly monitored and know what is "really" going on....not just the limited information that can be provided to you by your OB. Did you have a transvaginal u/s to see how large your follicles were after your cycles of clomid? Did you have a b/w done before starting clomid? Like PPs said...there is much more to it than popping a pill and POOF you ovulate....it needs to be monitored.

LnR70707 · December 2012

your doctor is an idiot and so are you if you've only been trying "months". Go see an RE after it has been a year.

MrsM507 · December 2012

L&R70707:
your doctor is an idiot and so are you if you've only been trying "months". Go see an RE after it has been a year.

This. Or continue on your path and risk filling up with cysts and having a lining so thin nothing could ever implant. Your call.

ChicagoWeded2007 · December 2012

Hi,
They do the CD 21 test on CD 21 because they assume all women ovulate on CD 14, which is wrong. Especially for you, since you think you o'd on CD 19. The test must be taken on 7 dpo to be accurate.

Also you are on a very high dose of a very dangerous drug. It causes ovarian cancer. You can only take it for six cycles in your life. Therefore you've got to make sure that your husband's sperm is good and that your tubes are clear. If not you are wasting your six lifetime cycles. Also, you need to have vaginal ultrasounds at the beginning and middle of your cycles for two reasons. 1. it can cause cysts and if you keep taking it the cysts can get dangerously large and rupture and destroy your ovary. 2. you could get 8 follicles and end up with octuplets.

In summary, your doctor is a moron and you need to find a reproductive endicrinologist, read a book called taking charge of your fertility, and go to a website called fertility friend.

lucy11111 · December 2012

katyj25:
Way to DD on 3T, then try to vent here. I stand by my original advice, read newbie links.

You are a bully

LnR70707 · December 2012

lucy11111:
katyj25:
Way to DD on 3T, then try to vent here. I stand by my original advice, read newbie links.
You are a bully

That is not bullying in any way.

spacepotatoes · December 2012

ChicagoWeded2007:
Hi, They do the CD 21 test on CD 21 because they assume all women ovulate on CD 14, which is wrong. Especially for you, since you think you o'd on CD 19. The test must be taken on 7 dpo to be accurate. Also you are on a very high dose of a very dangerous drug. It causes ovarian cancer. You can only take it for six cycles in your life. Therefore you've got to make sure that your husband's sperm is good and that your tubes are clear. If not you are wasting your six lifetime cycles. Also, you need to have vaginal ultrasounds at the beginning and middle of your cycles for two reasons. 1. it can cause cysts and if you keep taking it the cysts can get dangerously large and rupture and destroy your ovary. 2. you could get 8 follicles and end up with octuplets. In summary, your doctor is a moron and you need to find a reproductive endicrinologist, read a book called taking charge of your fertility, and go to a website called fertility friend.

All of this.

OP, there is so much wrong with what you wrote and you seem to have no idea. Please open your eyes and listen to what these ladies are trying to tell you. They are not being mean, they are stating facts. You need to hear them.

lucy11111 · December 2012

L&R70707:
lucy11111:
katyj25:
Way to DD on 3T, then try to vent here. I stand by my original advice, read newbie links.
You are a bully
That is not bullying in any way.

I've noticed her for a while now. She seems to enjoy belittling people and mocking them, even if it means following them to other boards to do it. She is very harsh and sarcastic.

spacepotatoes · December 2012

lucy11111:
L&R70707:
lucy11111:
katyj25:
Way to DD on 3T, then try to vent here. I stand by my original advice, read newbie links.
You are a bully
That is not bullying in any way.
I've noticed her for a while now. She seems to enjoy belittling people and mocking them, even if it means following them to other boards to do it. She is very harsh and sarcastic.

Are you even paying any attention to what the OPs situation is? No one is bullying her. Being truthful with someone and stating facts is not rude or bullying, it is being honest. This OP obviously needs someone to be honest with her because her doctor sure isn't.

MrsM507 · December 2012

lucy11111:
L&R70707:
lucy11111:
katyj25:
Way to DD on 3T, then try to vent here. I stand by my original advice, read newbie links.
You are a bully
That is not bullying in any way.
I've noticed her for a while now. She seems to enjoy belittling people and mocking them, even if it means following them to other boards to do it. She is very harsh and sarcastic.

It's called honesty... and she actually gives good advice along with it. Would you rather people feed into your every "symptom" or tell you to continue being uneducated about your body and the things you are putting into it?

jennaw1802 · December 2012

Every story is different and I thought this would be a "supportive place". First of all, we have been trying over a year and hoping that clomid would help me to ovulate which I was not on my own. I am not sure it is. Our next step is to see an RE if I can find one in my area in which my insurance covers. My OB has left me discouraged. I KNOW clomid is not a miracle drug and I'm sure it can be dangerous...as with ANYTHING. Clearly I won't be coming back here for advice.

LnR70707 · December 2012

jennaw1802:
Every story is different and I thought this would be a "supportive place". First of all, we have been trying over a year and hoping that clomid would help me to ovulate which I was not on my own. I am not sure it is. Our next step is to see an RE if I can find one in my area in which my insurance covers. My OB has left me discouraged. I KNOW clomid is not a miracle drug and I'm sure it can be dangerous...as with ANYTHING. Clearly I won't be coming back here for advice.

Then why did you use "months" to describe your situation. Your fault, not ours. And once again, support does not equal condoning bad decisions. You got support, support to stop taking clomid unmonitored and educate yourself with the information here.

notkateanymore · December 2012

lucy11111:
katyj25:
Way to DD on 3T, then try to vent here. I stand by my original advice, read newbie links.

You are a bully

You're an idiot.

notkateanymore · December 2012

jennaw1802:
Every story is different and I thought this would be a "supportive place". First of all, we have been trying over a year and hoping that clomid would help me to ovulate which I was not on my own. I am not sure it is. Our next step is to see an RE if I can find one in my area in which my insurance covers. My OB has left me discouraged. I KNOW clomid is not a miracle drug and I'm sure it can be dangerous...as with ANYTHING. Clearly I won't be coming back here for advice.

Buh bye.

Luckbeababy · December 2012

L&R70707:
your doctor is an idiot and so are you if you've only been trying "months". Go see an RE after it has been a year.

Why do you feel the need to call OP an idiot? If you know so much, why not share your advice? You don't think it is the least bit rude to say what you did? Not everyone is as educated on fertility treatments and everyone says how helpful and knowledgeable the ladies of this board are so why not share that knowledge with her? She was asking for advice.

katekat8721 · December 2012

Luckbeababy:
L&R70707:
your doctor is an idiot and so are you if you've only been trying "months". Go see an RE after it has been a year.
Why do you feel the need to call OP an idiot? If you know so much, why not share your advice? You don't think it is the least bit rude to say what you did? Not everyone is as educated on fertility treatments and everyone says how helpful and knowledgeable the ladies of this board are so why not share that knowledge with her? She was asking for advice.

She came on 3T and was given advice. Great advice. The women there wasted their time sharing their knowledge with her. Then DD'd because she didn't like what she heard.

Luckbeababy · December 2012

katekat8721:
Luckbeababy:
L&R70707:
your doctor is an idiot and so are you if you've only been trying "months". Go see an RE after it has been a year.
Why do you feel the need to call OP an idiot? If you know so much, why not share your advice? You don't think it is the least bit rude to say what you did? Not everyone is as educated on fertility treatments and everyone says how helpful and knowledgeable the ladies of this board are so why not share that knowledge with her? She was asking for advice.
She came on 3T and was given advice. Great advice. The women there wasted their time sharing their knowledge with her. Then DD'd because she didn't like what she heard.

I did not know that and I am sure the majority over here did not either. Still don't think calling her an idiot is warranted though. But whatever.

MrsM507 · December 2012

Luckbeababy:
katekat8721:
Luckbeababy:
L&R70707:
your doctor is an idiot and so are you if you've only been trying "months". Go see an RE after it has been a year.
Why do you feel the need to call OP an idiot? If you know so much, why not share your advice? You don't think it is the least bit rude to say what you did? Not everyone is as educated on fertility treatments and everyone says how helpful and knowledgeable the ladies of this board are so why not share that knowledge with her? She was asking for advice.
She came on 3T and was given advice. Great advice. The women there wasted their time sharing their knowledge with her. Then DD'd because she didn't like what she heard.
I did not know that and I am sure the majority over here did not either. Still don't think calling her an idiot is warranted though. But whatever.

Actually, L&R didn't exactly call her an idiot. She said she was IF she had only been trying for "months". (Because fertility issues don't need to be explored until 1 year if there aren't any pre-existing conditions).... which OP later stated that they had been trying for over a year. She needs to stop the clomid and find an RE.

ETA... but if the shoe fits?

DebateThis · December 2012

Luckbeababy:
katekat8721:
Luckbeababy:
L&R70707:
your doctor is an idiot and so are you if you've only been trying "months". Go see an RE after it has been a year.
Why do you feel the need to call OP an idiot? If you know so much, why not share your advice? You don't think it is the least bit rude to say what you did? Not everyone is as educated on fertility treatments and everyone says how helpful and knowledgeable the ladies of this board are so why not share that knowledge with her? She was asking for advice.
She came on 3T and was given advice. Great advice. The women there wasted their time sharing their knowledge with her. Then DD'd because she didn't like what she heard.
I did not know that and I am sure the majority over here did not either. Still don't think calling her an idiot is warranted though. But whatever.

Can you not read basic English? "Your doctor is an idiot" is not the same as "you are an idiot". Although in this case I think it's both.

And I'm just going to C&P this for the OP because it's relevant, yet again.

OMG. No more clomid until you have a full infertility workup.

Here are two posts of why:

https://community.thenest.com/cs/ks/forums/37115533/ShowThread.aspx?MsdVisit=1

https://community.thebump.com/cs/ks/forums/thread/64391126.aspx

And

This is from INCIID (International Council on Infertility Information Dissemination), and the ASRM and SART recommendations are nearly identical:

If you are not seeing an RE and your OB/GYN does not have the facilities to conduct these routine tests, you should seriously consider switching to a doctor who does. Minimally, a doctor treating fertility patients should have the following:

Availability of staff and technicians seven days per week. If your doctor or clinic does not offer weekend and holiday hours, you are clearly not in the hands of someone whose priority is helping you get pregnant. Transvaginal ultrasound equipment. You should not undergo treatment with Clomid or injectable fertility medications unless this equipment is available for routine monitoring. Though many OBs prescribe Clomid without doing this monitoring, it is in your best interest to have periodic ultrasounds to ensure that the Clomid is indeed stimulating ovulation and that the follicles are releasing the eggs. Under no circumstances should a patient undergo treatment with injectable medications, such as Humegon, Repronex or Follistim, without ultrasound monitoring. If you are using intra-uterine insemination (IUIs), ultrasounds are required for accurately timing insemination with ovulation. An on-site, certified lab to do semen testing and prep for IUIs and post coital tests, as well as facilities to do E-2, blood HCG beta and progesterone tests.
See also: How to Chose a Clinic

https://www.inciid.org/printpage.php?cat=infertility101&id=262

And all this, of course, is AFTER OP/DH have been tested.

sueann911 · December 2012

Luckbeababy:
katekat8721:
Luckbeababy:
L&R70707:
your doctor is an idiot and so are you if you've only been trying "months". Go see an RE after it has been a year.
Why do you feel the need to call OP an idiot? If you know so much, why not share your advice? You don't think it is the least bit rude to say what you did? Not everyone is as educated on fertility treatments and everyone says how helpful and knowledgeable the ladies of this board are so why not share that knowledge with her? She was asking for advice.
She came on 3T and was given advice. Great advice. The women there wasted their time sharing their knowledge with her. Then DD'd because she didn't like what she heard.
I did not know that and I am sure the majority over here did not either. Still don't think calling her an idiot is warranted though. But whatever.

::whispers to luckbeababy:: Look at the first comment in this thread.

Luckbeababy · December 2012

DebateThis:
Luckbeababy:
katekat8721:
Luckbeababy:
L&R70707:
your doctor is an idiot and so are you if you've only been trying "months". Go see an RE after it has been a year.
Why do you feel the need to call OP an idiot? If you know so much, why not share your advice? You don't think it is the least bit rude to say what you did? Not everyone is as educated on fertility treatments and everyone says how helpful and knowledgeable the ladies of this board are so why not share that knowledge with her? She was asking for advice.
She came on 3T and was given advice. Great advice. The women there wasted their time sharing their knowledge with her. Then DD'd because she didn't like what she heard.
I did not know that and I am sure the majority over here did not either. Still don't think calling her an idiot is warranted though. But whatever.
Can you not read basic English? "Your doctor is an idiot" is not the same as "you are an idiot". Although in this case I think it's both.
And I'm just going to C&P this for the OP because it's relevant, yet again.
OMG. No more clomid until you have a full infertility workup.
Here are two posts of why:
https://community.thenest.com/cs/ks/forums/37115533/ShowThread.aspx?MsdVisit=1
https://community.thebump.com/cs/ks/forums/thread/64391126.aspx
And
This is from INCIID (International Council on Infertility Information Dissemination), and the ASRM and SART recommendations are nearly identical:
If you are not seeing an RE and your OB/GYN does not have the facilities to conduct these routine tests, you should seriously consider switching to a doctor who does. Minimally, a doctor treating fertility patients should have the following:
Availability of staff and technicians seven days per week. If your doctor or clinic does not offer weekend and holiday hours, you are clearly not in the hands of someone whose priority is helping you get pregnant. Transvaginal ultrasound equipment. You should not undergo treatment with Clomid or injectable fertility medications unless this equipment is available for routine monitoring. Though many OBs prescribe Clomid without doing this monitoring, it is in your best interest to have periodic ultrasounds to ensure that the Clomid is indeed stimulating ovulation and that the follicles are releasing the eggs. Under no circumstances should a patient undergo treatment with injectable medications, such as Humegon, Repronex or Follistim, without ultrasound monitoring. If you are using intra-uterine insemination (IUIs), ultrasounds are required for accurately timing insemination with ovulation. An on-site, certified lab to do semen testing and prep for IUIs and post coital tests, as well as facilities to do E-2, blood HCG beta and progesterone tests.
See also: How to Chose a Clinic

https://www.inciid.org/printpage.php?cat=infertility101&id=262
And all this, of course, is AFTER OP/DH have been tested.

I should ask you the same question. Can you read basic English? This is exactly what the poster said, 7 comments in before the OP clarified anything: your doctor is an idiot and so are you if you've only been trying "months".? Go see an RE after it has been a year. Where in that statement did the poster call only the OB an idiot? Should I call you an idiot for reading comprehension fail? Are all women idiots if they do any type of testing before the year mark?

Luckbeababy · December 2012

GhostMonkey:
Luckbeababy:
I should ask you the same question. Can you read basic English? This is exactly what the poster said, 7 comments in before the OP clarified anything: your doctor is an idiot and so are you if you've only been trying "months". Go see an RE after it has been a year. Where in that statement did the poster call only the OB an idiot? Should I call you an idiot for reading comprehension fail? Are all women idiots if they do any type of testing before the year mark?
If they have no indicators of problems and are under 35, they are selfish dipshits if they go before a year.

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this matter. I don't see it that way and would never think of my friends, or anyone for that matter as selfish dipshits or the doctors that treat them as selfish dipshits, but you do. Guess it is a good thing that we are not friends

Serious question, you really do know so much about health insurance, infertility and trying to conceive. Where did you learn it all? I am always impressed with how much you know, even if I usually disagree with the delivery of it.

DebateThis · December 2012

Luckbeababy:
GhostMonkey:
Luckbeababy:
I should ask you the same question. Can you read basic English? This is exactly what the poster said, 7 comments in before the OP clarified anything: your doctor is an idiot and so are you if you've only been trying "months". Go see an RE after it has been a year. Where in that statement did the poster call only the OB an idiot? Should I call you an idiot for reading comprehension fail? Are all women idiots if they do any type of testing before the year mark?
If they have no indicators of problems and are under 35, they are selfish dipshits if they go before a year.

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this matter. I don't see it that way and would never think of my friends, or anyone for that matter as selfish dipshits or the doctors that treat them as selfish dipshits, but you do. Guess it is a good thing that we are not friends Serious question, you really do know so much about health insurance, infertility and trying to conceive. Where did you learn it all? I am always impressed with how much you know, even if I usually disagree with the delivery of it.

Yes, they're selfish or ignorant or both. Do you know how many times people post on these boards that OMG I THINK I HAVE A FERTILITY PROBLEM!!!! after they've been TTC for like three months? It's pretty much hourly. People are completely ignorant about fertility and also impatient to conceive, which sends them running to fertility specialists far sooner than they actually need to. You know why that's a problem? Because then people like me/kdodge/anyone else with ACTUAL IF has a ridiculously long wait to get into a specialist. For the same reason that you don't go to a gastroenterologist for every little tummy ache or you don't get xrays every time you bang your hand on a counter, you shouldn't go traipsing off to an RE just because you're impatient.

And I am speaking for kdodge here, but she's learned so much out of shear necessity as have multitudes of other infertiles. OBs are typically dunderheads when it comes to IF-related issues so learning anything and everything you can is sometimes the only way you're going to be safeguarding yourself and able to be proactive.

Luckbeababy · December 2012

DebateThis:
Luckbeababy:
GhostMonkey:
Luckbeababy:
I should ask you the same question. Can you read basic English? This is exactly what the poster said, 7 comments in before the OP clarified anything: your doctor is an idiot and so are you if you've only been trying "months". Go see an RE after it has been a year. Where in that statement did the poster call only the OB an idiot? Should I call you an idiot for reading comprehension fail? Are all women idiots if they do any type of testing before the year mark?
If they have no indicators of problems and are under 35, they are selfish dipshits if they go before a year.

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this matter. I don't see it that way and would never think of my friends, or anyone for that matter as selfish dipshits or the doctors that treat them as selfish dipshits, but you do. Guess it is a good thing that we are not friends Serious question, you really do know so much about health insurance, infertility and trying to conceive. Where did you learn it all? I am always impressed with how much you know, even if I usually disagree with the delivery of it.
Yes, they're selfish or ignorant or both. Do you know how many times people post on these boards that OMG I THINK I HAVE A FERTILITY PROBLEM!!!! after they've been TTC for like three months? It's pretty much hourly. People are completely ignorant about fertility and also impatient to conceive, which sends them running to fertility specialists far sooner than they actually need to. You know why that's a problem? Because then people like me/kdodge/anyone else with ACTUAL IF has a ridiculously long wait to get into a specialist. For the same reason that you don't go to a gastroenterologist for every little tummy ache or you don't get xrays every time you bang your hand on a counter, you shouldn't go traipsing off to an RE just because you're impatient.
And I am speaking for kdodge here, but she's learned so much out of shear necessity as have multitudes of other infertiles. OBs are typically dunderheads when it comes to IF-related issues so learning anything and everything you can is sometimes the only way you're going to be safeguarding yourself and able to be proactive.

I am truly sorry you or anyone has to suffer from IF. When you put it into that perspective from someone who is dealing with IF I do see where it can bother, annoy, upset you. I guess my point is that for those that do have IF and have advice from their own personal experience then why not share it with those that do not know as much but leave the insults out of it? It does not accomplish anything and the person who is coming to ask the question might actually stick around and learn something and see that their impatience truly does affect those whomactually suffer from IF. It seems counter-productive to complain about those type of people for not knowing more or for being impatient and then when there is a chance to educate them they are called idiots or worse. I understand the OP deleted her original post from 3T and that probably did not help the situation in regards to the responses, but there are plenty of other posts where advice could be given and instead it is insults mixed in with a few helpful responses. But thanks for the info and explaining it further, I do see where you are coming from and again I am sorry you have to deal with any of it. I am sure no one wants to be an expert on IF and I wish you lots of luck in the future!

LnR70707 · December 2012

Luckbeababy:

I am truly sorry you or anyone has to suffer from IF. When you put it into that perspective from someone who is dealing with IF I do see where it can bother, annoy, upset you. I guess my point is that for those that do have IF and have advice from their own personal experience then why not share it with those that do not know as much but leave the insults out of it? It does not accomplish anything and the person who is coming to ask the question might actually stick around and learn something and see that their impatience truly does affect those whomactually suffer from IF. It seems counter-productive to complain about those type of people for not knowing more or for being impatient and then when there is a chance to educate them they are called idiots or worse. I understand the OP deleted her original post from 3T and that probably did not help the situation in regards to the responses, but there are plenty of other posts where advice could be given and instead it is insults mixed in with a few helpful responses. But thanks for the info and explaining it further, I do see where you are coming from and again I am sorry you have to deal with any of it. I am sure no one wants to be an expert on IF and I wish you lots of luck in the future!

The OP told her first helpful responder to go away and didn't take the advice. I give tons of good advice on here, but I'm not going to waste my time explaining things in detail to someone who won't make the effort to help educate themselves. Had the OP worded things better and been open to responses, she wouldn't have received the harsh comments.

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