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September 2012 Moms
My very first Flamable Confession.
I have been doing a lot of research and have come to find a lot of evidence that points to vaccinations causing SIDS, among a lot of other disabilities. My DH and I skipped DD first round yesterday until I can be fully educated on pros and cons of vaccinations.
The only reason I shared this is because I was wondering if anyone else was considering not vaccinating their LOs? I certainly don't want to start a fight or debate, but this is something I'm beginning to feel strongly about.
I didn't receive any vaccs after age 6 (even for school/college) and my little sister was stopped between 1-2 due to my fathers new found knowledge and understanding on vaccinations (he's a Chiropractor). Furthermore, neither of us had the TDP (me)/TDap(sister) after my older brother almost died from a reaction to it.
All I can ask if that you not jump me. I'm an educated person, only trying to learn about something that everyone assumes is safe.
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Re: My very first Flamable Confession.
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I lurb Tom Hiddleston.
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Allie always pops in with her gifs.
Totally off topic but Olivia (right?) was so cute in the HDBD pic today!
But to stay on topic....I can't wait to see where this goes! That's all.....
Cooper Edward
9.25.12
I'd love to talk about this tomorrow when I have time. I did a lot of research, I'm heavily science-based, and I don't even do a delayed vacc schedule. I do the standard recs.
ETA: OP said she's waiting to do more research. I think that's less flammable than boldly stating vacs cause autism and increase the risk for SIDS. Hopefully people can help you out. I can tell you that I consider myself intelligent, well-informed, and scientifically literate, and I get ALL VACS.
Like I said, I'm not open to starting a debate.However, I didn't mention Autism once in my OP. Also, I know 4 people who had their children vaccinated and changed them almost over night. I'm not a doctor, but I do see one and even he admitted that no study's have been done to test the effectiveness or safety of modern vaccines.
I'm not trying to be snarky, but are you educated on the vaccines your LO received/will receive?
I will add that no matter how bad anyone tries to make me feel, I am not a bad mother for becoming educated to make an informed choice for my child's wellbeing. Period.
TDP then, TDap now. Difference is that it was a live virus, now it's not. No live viruses until 1 year for children.
I was under the impression the cause is still undetermined. I know there is a correlation between a particular heart defect and SIDS only bc my hospital does an ECG at 1 month to screen for this defect as part of a larger European study.
I'm super paranoid about SIDS bc my sister lost a baby to it and I've never heard of the vax correlation. My daughter is vaxed against everything except MMR and varicella. She will get MMR after she turns 4. We will skip varicella entirely. She will get hpv around 9.
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would you please share your links with me? i would love to read more.
like I said in the OP, I am only researching it further. I didn't state that I would NEVER give my LO's vaccs but I'm going to be informed before I do.
My DH wanted to know all the info/research before agreeing to doing DS's vaccinations. He talked to his brother who is a doctor and his mom who is a nurse about it. Then when we went for the appt, our doctor spent 40 minutes talking to us about the research and the reasons why they recommend it at an early age etc.
Afterwards, Dh decided that he wanted to give DS the vaccinations. I always wanted too. It's definately a personal decision.
To be fair, my child has changed overnight several times. Including this weekend where she was an angel baby. By the time I got done jumping for joy (which was Sunday), she is now a different monster.
I won't flame you for asking, but I think this particular sentence is quacky.
I agree with Steph. While I won't skip vaccinations myself, I don't see anything wrong with someone questioning something they may not entirely agree with. OP, a lot of chiropractors don't believe in vaccinations, btw.
[MC 11.20.11] [DS born 9.24.12] [DD born 10.15.14]
Honestly I was curious. Some people have strong opinions and aren't educated. I am wanting to learn the Pros and Cons, meaning I want to know about the benefits of them.
About SIDS, from what I read, is a catch all for deaths that cannot be determined. I have read... (looking for the site) that most SIDS deaths occur withitn 3-4 days after vaccines. Not saying that it was def. the vax, but it has to make one wonder.
thanks for the scientific research. i'll still be sure to check that one out
I'll second what's said here. But the bolded...never heard of this; why don't they?
Do all medications have risks and side effects? Yes.
But, they are rigorously studied in lab studies, animals, and humans before being approved.
DS: 9/18/12 - 40w5d // DD: 05/17/16 - 40w
While I vaccinate, I don't know I agree with this. We vaccinate for chicken pox and whooping cough, have these diseases decreased?
[MC 11.20.11] [DS born 9.24.12] [DD born 10.15.14]
to answer your question, no i didn't do a lot of research before deciding i would vaccinate on schedule. that said, in the past i have read articles discrediting the supposed links between vaccinations and disorders such as autism and think the benefits far outweigh any known or suspected risks.
my only advice to you is that if you want to educate yourself, please make sure you read actual scholarly research articles rather than random 'articles' on the internet. you can often access articles free via links on google scholar. if you find papers you're interested in but can't access them without paying, pm me and i'll send you the paper as i'll likely get it through my university. this is a highly debated topic and information provided from papers can very easily and very quickly be twisted to support someone's agenda.
I don't know about chicken pox, but whooping cough is on the rise because adults are not getting boosters. The childhood vaccine does not provide lifelong immunity.
DS: 9/18/12 - 40w5d // DD: 05/17/16 - 40w
No idea how it got bolded, OP said her father is a chiropractor and doesn't believe in them. My SIL and brother work for a chiropractor who doesn't believe in them. I'll admit I've never asked why they don't, I just was told they don't. I believe it has something to do with the body healing itself and adjustments to the spine healing sickness/diseases.
[MC 11.20.11] [DS born 9.24.12] [DD born 10.15.14]
I think a lot of adults aren't getting the whopping cough booster b/c they are skeptical of it. They never had it as a child and are questioning if it's needed. I had whooping cough when I was 18, long before there was a vaccine for it.
[MC 11.20.11] [DS born 9.24.12] [DD born 10.15.14]
~The Bumpie formerly known as SpartyMom2B~
I have to jump in on one thing--please do not assume that all chiropractors are quacky because some of them apparently don't believe in vaccination. My dad is a chiro, I received all my vaccines as a child except pertussis, which at the time was an evidence-based choice because it still contained live virus and there were severe reactions reported. There are a lot of other common pediatric medical practices he would argue tooth and nail against (overprescription of antibiotics, for one), but vaccines are not one of them. Please--OP and everyone else--don't lump all individuals of one profession together.
I have no problem with people researching and making informed decisions, but OP--you say you've found research (lots, in fact) linking vaccines to problems, yet you don't post anything here. I have to ask, where is this info coming from? I've never heard of a SIDS/vaccine link.
OP, you asked if anyone else had considered not vaccinating. I consider each vaccine and learn about the potential side effects. I admit--sometimes finding reliable information is hard because this debate has become so heated. I've gotten annoyed with otherwise good medical sources for just saying "incidences of severe reactions are rare." Well--how rare? What are they? Could my child be permanently disabled or die? I should be able to find that info more easily than I can. That said, I haven't decided that the risks outweighed the benefits yet.
Admittedly, this could fall into the "vaccines don't work" camp as a fairly weak sauce argument, since we didn't know that the vaccine didn't deliver lifelong immunity when it was first given.
But even with the "epidemic" going on now, incidence of whooping cough is still lower than it was pre-vaccine according to CDC stats.
I think it's fair to say that any medical advancement isn't going to be perfect, and vaccines fall into that. There are rare cases of severe reactions. Sometimes they don't deliver complete immunity. Does that mean vaccines are bad or they don't work? No.
Ah, gotcha. And I bolded it because I'm typing 1-handed and didn't want to type it all out in my question.
What?!
This statement is completely ridiculous.
Yes. Hundreds of millions of people are given vaccines, but there have been no studies on their safety. Mmmhmm.
Research actually shows that immunizations actually decrease the occurance of SIDS by almost 50%, which is why the AAP includes vaccinating as part of their recommendation for safe sleep.
https://www.parentingscience.com/SIDS-prevention.html
https://news.health.com/2011/10/18/breast-feeding-vaccinations-lower-sids-risk-experts-say/
https://www.healthywomen.org/content/article/breast-feeding-vaccinations-lower-sids-risk-experts-say
"Some people worry that immunizations cause SIDS. But the scientific evidence suggests otherwise. In a recent analysis of published SIDS studies, researchers found that SIDS rates were almost 50% lower among babies who?d been immunized (Vennemann et al 2007).
It makes sense that immunizations could reduce the risk of SIDS. Immunized babies are less likely to contract infections that might trigger a SIDS event. But, because physicians often delay immunizations when babies are ill, it?s also possible that the immunized babies were healthier to begin with. More research is needed to distinguish between these explanations."
I said a lot of chiropractors when in reality I should've said some don't believe in vaccinations. I certainly don't think all chiropractors believe this way of thinking
[MC 11.20.11] [DS born 9.24.12] [DD born 10.15.14]
::high five:: I knew that was out there somewhere.
Writes down name to ensure I never attend a gtg with you.