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Natural Birth - Provider Question (long)

Quick intro - I'm almost 31 weeks, we are 6 weeks into the Bradley Method Classes.  My current provider is a large OB practice with 7 docs, any one of which could deliver my baby, it all depends upon who is the on-call doc of the day.  My DH is very supportive of Natural Birth, but is insistent upon delivering in a hospital because he believes that it is "safer" than a birthing center or home birth.

Situation - I'm feeling less than confident in my provider due to several questions I asked about birth choices and overall level of communication (no IV, no drugs, c/s rates).  

I just learned about a CNM (certified nurse midwife) practice that delivers at a different hospital (not rated as highly as the one I'm supposed to deliver at with the OB practice) and they are very pro natural birth.  The downside is they can't see me until the week of Thanksgiving due to us being out of town next week.  

The hospital the CNMs deliver at do not have water/tub facilities and laboring in a tub is something that I'm very keen on experiencing.  Additionally, if I had complications with the CNM practice I would have the hospital's on-call OB deliver the baby, and this would not be a person I've ever met (I will meet 6 of the 7 OBs in the large practice before I deliver) 

Is it worth exploring other options this late in the game?  I would have no idea if the CNM are a good fit until I'm 33 weeks.

How well are birth plans followed by OBs in a hospital setting?  Or do they just do their thing anyway?

If you are still reading at this point, you deserve a cookie! 

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Re: Natural Birth - Provider Question (long)

  • I don't think it's useful to try to generalize about how well OBs follow birth plans in a hospital setting...doctors vary so much individual to individual. A much better indicator to me is your quality of communication with the OBs you have met. Given what you have said, I would follow through with meeting the CNM practice and then go with your gut. It's not too late to change providers, and exploring your options seems harmless to me. Communication and comfort with your provider can influence you birth outcome directly, i.e. if you are uncomfortable with your birth team, you may not progress easily/naturally. In my experience CNMs can still be very medically-inclined, even if they are pro-natural birth. In other words I see them basically following the same protocols as OBs around inducing after a set time, etc. The most important thing to me seems to be your level of comfort with the people you elect to support you.
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  • In my opinion alot of how they follow a birth plan has to so with you. Also I know the provider is impotant but the nurses are just as important and run ost of the show, alot of times you'll see your provider a couple times then they show up tp catch the baby. STick up for yourself and what you want.

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  • Is it worth exploring other options at this point?  Absolutely.  If you're not comfortable with your provider I would find a provider that you are comfortable with.  There's still time.  I can't stress enough how important it is to have a supportive provider.  If your conversations with your OB at this point are leaving you feeling less than comfortable look into your other options! 

    I would at least meet with the CNM practice you're interested in and see what you want to do at that point.  As far as the on-call OB delivering me if there were complications I wouldn't have a problem with that if the provider I trusted (the CNM) was the one working with me throughout labor and I could trust her opinion that I needed to move to the on-call OB.  I'd prefer that situation over sticking with a practice I didn't feel comfortable with.  

    Also, I understand your worry about missing out on having a birthing tub available (I wouldn't be happy about that either), but at the same time, you don't really know how things are going to go, if you'll prefer the water, etc.  I know planning to labor or deliver in water is a big thing and there are benefits to that, but I don't know that I would stick with a provider I wasn't comfortable with just to have access to it.  Also, maybe see if there are other options for providers that deliver at the hospital you're currently planning on.  Maybe you'll find someone better and not have to switch hospitals!

    As far as an OB respecting your birth plans this will vary depending on the individual OB.  I think if you ask the right questions you have a good chance of feeling your OB out on how much they're willing to support/work WITH you.

    I can tell you, just from my personal experience, that I was with a very large practice last time (8 OBs, 6 "medwives") and went into it with the mindset that MY knowledge was what was important (meaning I would know enough to question unnecessary things).  What I didn't count on was just how vulnerable you are while in labor.  I ended up with the usual domino effect of interventions culminating in a C/S I probably wouldn't have had if I was with a different provider.  Obviously this isn't everyone's experience, but because of my experience I just really, truly believe that the most important thing you can do is find a supportive provider that you completely trust and whose views align with your own.

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  • It's never too late. I switched to midwives at 37 weeks pregnant with my third baby. My OB was trying to push induction and then cesarean for *no medical reason*. I went on to have a natural birth in a hospital. My husband was the same way. I had given birth to our first two in a hospital (had the epidural and the whole bit). After I gave birth to our third baby without an epidural he was in such awe and has become a huge supporter of natural childbirth and even birthing outside hospitals.

    Your husband's concern is actually quite sweet! He's just worried about his wife and his baby. But I would have him meet the midwife and see the other hospital, watch The Business of Being Born together (it's on Netflix or find it at your local library). My husband saw TBoBB after we had our first natural birth and he wishes we would have seen it years ago when having our first or even second.

    We had #4 at a freestanding birth center. This little one (#5) will also be born at the birth center. We're not opposed to home birth either but we love our birth center.
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  • Thanks everyone for the responses. I'm going to call the CNM practice in the morning and get an interview meeting set up. I will kick myself if I don't do anything to investigate other options and my birth experience ends up being a poor one with the large OB practice. 
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    Me-36, Unexplained Infertility, DH-35, all clear
    Clomid 50mg 12/2011 = BFN
    Clomid 100mg 1/2012 = BFN, with Cyst
    IVF #1 Lupron/Menopur/Gonal-f/HCG Trigger
    ER 4/19/12 = 11 retrieved, 6 fertilized,
    ET 4/22/12 = 2 transfered (day 3), remaining 3 weren't good enough to freeze
    Beta 5/3 = BFP, 87 Beta #2 5/7 560.9 Beta #3 5/9 1376.5 First u/s One Baby, 125bpm!
    Second u/s, 176bmp! Kicked over to the OB by the RE at 8w. Team Green!! 
    Baby girl J arrived two weeks early! Born into water, med-free. Hooray for Team Pink!

    TTC #2 - back to the RE, treatment started 12/2014. 

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  • imageMrs.AmyDylan:
    Thanks everyone for the responses. I'm going to call the CNM practice in the morning and get an interview meeting set up. I will kick myself if I don't do anything to investigate other options and my birth experience ends up being a poor one with the large OB practice. 

    Yay :-)
    I'm of the opinion that it doesn't hurt to have a meeting and see how you feel about it.

    Personally, I can't imagine how I'd feel at this point if I wasn't confident that our practice and our birth preferences are on the same page. I think, for us, this is the most important part. I know that should something that isn't in our Plan A be recommended, that it's because it is the very best course of action. Does that make sense?

    It's taken a lot of research and discussion on our part to get to that point of confidence with our providers, but it's invaluable to me.

    I hope you can find the same.
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  • The only thing I have to add is that I had never met the OB who delivered my daughter and it really didn't matter.  He showed up to catch and that was about it.  The nurse and hospital policy were the two biggest factors in my birth experience.
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  • You and I are in the exact same situation! I am 30 weeks and I'm changing from my OB to a CNM practice for the same reasons you stated. I feel SO much better knowing that I'm not going to have to fight to have the birth experience I want. Go for it girl!
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  • I had DS at a hospital with a midwife (switched from OB practice at 32 wks).  I really liked the jacuzzi tub at the hospital but having the midwife ended up being so important since I had a long labor and am fairly certain my former OB would have been pushing interventions to get things going faster.

    One question to ask your OB - do they allow people in the tubs?  How many of their patients use the tubs?  Pointing that out because I found that my OB practice had never seen a patient use the tub even though they were available and they seemed anti-tub (one told me I would be begging for an epidural at 38 wks, which doesn't even make any sense) as a result of not being familiar with what it's role could be in labor.  So the tub issue may be a wash if you may not get to use it anyway.

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