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DS1 kicked out of p-k for at least 2w

For having excessive accidents (3).  We have an appointment with the pedi on Monday to make sure it's not something physiological.  He NEVER tells us he has to go (#2) until after he's started.  He just turned 5, so I feel that this shouldn't be an issue right now.  I really don't know what I'm hoping for, for something to physically be wrong means that it's not his fault, but then we have to figure out the best way to fix it (after a very quick search on google said possibly surgery).  Anyone else deal with this?  He would've been able to go tomorrow, but I have an OB appt tomorrow, I think if I took him to the pedi I'd then have to drag him to the OB, that would be terrible for him, instead he and the twins will go to IL's.

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Re: DS1 kicked out of p-k for at least 2w

  • I guarantee you are not the only parent who is dealing with or has dealt with this in the past.  I think you are doing the right things, ruling in or out a physical problem first.  Here's a link that might help:

    https://en.allexperts.com/q/Pediatrics-1429/potty-training-five-year.htm

    Good luck.

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  • how frequent were the accidents?  Also - can they really kick him out?

     

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  • They can be as frequently as daily (or every time he has to have a BM).  He hasn't had an accident in 2w, but we've been having him go before school so he's rarely had the need during school.  Again, he never tells us ahead of time, normally we just catch him before the accident.

    As far as kicking him out, one of his teachers said there's a new state law.  My MIL doesn't totally buy it, I don't really care to research it because even if there isn't a law and the teacher lied, it could still be their private policy. His other teacher said when he's gone 2w with no accidents we can try again to send him (I'm not sure if he would be out again after 3 more or if it would be after even 1).  She said he can't come back until it's "resolved".  I asked what that meant, and she didn't really have a clear answer, just that when he goes _______ without an accident. 

    I'm really at a loss.  I have no idea what to say to him, how to feel about it.  I'm scared if it something physical, I'm scared if it isn't.  If he was born 6w sooner, he would've been starting K this year (though we probably would've held him back anyway because I don't feel he's mature enough for full day K yet).  We started the whole PT thing when he was 32m (May 2010), so what if this is an ongoing battle that we still have when he's in public/private school?  I really don't think he knows or has any sensation until it's too late, but obviously I can't be sure of what he's feeling so I don't know how to help him.


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  • oh huh - he's having poop accidents? 

    that does seem unusual.  Wetting incidents could just be timing/gets excited, etc. but poop seems more troubling and I could see how the school says its not something they can deal with.

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  • He is not PT if he cannot go on his own and is having that many accidents, I would be shocked if they did not kick him out unless they were a licensed daycare. And 5 is old not to know when he needs to poop. I would see a doctor. Good luck.
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  • I dont have any advice but just wanted to say I'm sorry you're going through this with DS. No doubt that is tough :( 

    But like PP said, you're for sure not the only parent facing this. Hang in there and good luck with the Pedi!!  

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  • I can't believe how anxious I am for Monday now. I really wish I could take him tomorrow, but it would be a miserable day for him. He knows about going to the doctor and he doesn't seem too freaked out (he's very hyper sensitive with things of that nature at times so I was so happy that he was laid back about going).  The nurse I spoke to (nurses answer the phone) said that without knowing anything more than what I was able to tell her over the phone in 2 minutes said that it could be bowel motility, no idea what it is or if that would even be his dx, but it's nice to know that she didn't think I was crazy for having him checked out.  It would be nice to have some sort of dx, and some remedy that doesn't involve anything invasive. 

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  • Sorry you're going through this. I know how frusterating it can be. I'm in the same boat with my daughter and at my wits end. I've touched base with an pediatric occupational therapist, they said it is a common problem and there are strategies to help, perhaps ask your doctor for a referal.

    Good luck! Your not alone.

  • He could be constipated and his bowels are so backed up that he's involuntarily starting to go before he gets to the toilet. Definitely a good idea to have him try to go in the morning before he goes to school so that hopefully he wouldn't need to go until he got home again.

    But, my DS at 4 still sometimes has small accidents in his undies. It's like skid marks, not a full on accident though. He usually realizes he needs to go and gets to the toilet to actually have his bowel movement. We try to have him sit for a few minutes on the toilet about 20 minutes after breakfast and then again shortly after lunch and then again shortly before his bathtime. He usually has a bowel movement at least one of these times. But he knows that's when he is to sit on the potty and try. We let him have books to read so he will sit for a few minutes.

    Good idea to go to the pedi. I've heard that starting to all-day school can cause a constipation issue because they are holding it in at school because they just don't want to go. Then they can get backed up and end up having accidents. Pee accidents because their bowels are full and obviously poop accidents because the bowels can only hold so much!

     Hope this resolves quickly for you!

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  • I don't have any advice here. But DD just started preschool and had to be fully potty trained before starting. They said if a kid has multiple accidents they would be removed from the class. So the school's decision doesn't seem off base to me.
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  • Wow. Seems tough. DS1 just started Montessori and is in a room w 3 to 6 year olds. If a kid has an accident, they just help them clean up and hand them new clothes. Making a huge production of it may be causing your son anxiety, worsening the problem. I would reevaluate the school, it may not be a good fit for him
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