How many DPO does the risk of CP go away?

rkotnik · August 2012

Just wondering if someone new the answer to this question. I know the risk goes down after your missed AF but the problem is this is my first cycle, I had hypothalamic amenorrhea for 8 months after coming off of BC so I don?t know how long my cycles are. I took clomid cd 4-8, I O?d on or around CD 16, I had my first + hpt on cd26, DPO 10. It?s now cd 29, 13 dpo and I had a positive nonsensitive (not a 5 days sooner type test) hpt, which I thought was interesting in a good way maybe. Fertility Friend thinks I will get AF on CD 31 or 15 dpo. Maybe I should just go by that? Any ideas. Thanks have a good weekend.

LnR70707 · August 2012

Risk of any miscarriage doesn't drop until you see a HB. It drops again after you enter 2nd tri. A chemical pregnancy is any miscarriage that doesn't form enough to show up on an u/s. Mine was at almost 6 weeks (wacky cycle, no positive test until well after 14dpo and I had bleeding when AF should have arrived but was still pregnant).

angelsnight · August 2012

I think the term CP gets thrown around incorrectly and many refer to it as to mean an MC that occurs within days of your period being due, thus resulting in a positive test and then a few days later heartbreak when your "period" comes. However the true definition (I believe, somone correct me if I am wrong) of a CP is just a pregnancy that can only (so far) be detected by HCG blood and urine tests, rather than a pregnancy that can be detected by an ultrasound showing a gestational sac. So even for people whose pregnancies do not and will not end, their pregnancy is still known as a CP up until about the 5th week when a sac can be detected.

To answer your question, to mentally feel like you're out of the woods for a CP (as most people mean it, a very early MC that occures around the time of expected period) I would think around CD35 you'd be "safe"...however there is always a risk of MC, it just drops significantly at certain points throughout the pregnancy. I don't know the stats, but once you enter second tri there is a big drop in the chance of having an MC, but again, there is always a chance.

I know it's way easier said than done, but if I were you I would try not to worry too much because worry will not change the outcome either way. At least this is what I hope to be able to do the next time I get pregnant. I've only had one CP, but seeing how common it was I worried every minute of the 4 days I knew I was KU, and it didn't keep me from losing it, nor did it help me prepare for when I did lose it. As of now you are pregnant (congrats!!!!) so enjoy it. Good luck!

LnR70707 · August 2012

angelsnight:

I think the term CP gets thrown around incorrectly and many refer to it as to mean an MC that occurs within days of your period being due, thus resulting in a positive test and then a few days later heartbreak when your "period" comes. However the true definition (I believe, somone correct me if I am wrong) of a CP is just a pregnancy that can only (so far) be detected by HCG blood and urine tests, rather than a pregnancy that can be detected by an ultrasound showing a gestational sac. So even for people whose pregnancies do not and will not end, their pregnancy is still known as a CP up until about the 5th week when a sac can be detected.

To answer your question, to mentally feel like you're out of the woods for a CP (as most people mean it, a very early MC that occures around the time of expected period) I would think around CD35 you'd be "safe"...however there is always a risk of MC, it just drops significantly at certain points throughout the pregnancy. I don't know the stats, but once you enter second tri there is a big drop in the chance of having an MC, but again, there is always a chance.

I know it's way easier said than done, but if I were you I would try not to worry too much because worry will not change the outcome either way. At least this is what I hope to be able to do the next time I get pregnant. I've only had one CP, but seeing how common it was I worried every minute of the 4 days I knew I was KU, and it didn't keep me from losing it, nor did it help me prepare for when I did lose it. As of now you are pregnant (congrats!!!!) so enjoy it. Good luck!

to the first bolded - no...a chemical pregnancy is only diagnosed when there are dropping betas (or if no betas were taken, when nothing shows on the u/s). Any situation where there is a possibility of a chemical pregnancy (spotting) is referred to as a threatened miscarriage...this stands until you are far enough along to be considered pre-term labor.

You aren't safe from a chemical pregnancy until you are beyond 6 weeks, when the heart starts beating, then it just shifts to other types of miscarriage.

angelsnight · August 2012

L&R70707:
angelsnight:

I think the term CP gets thrown around incorrectly and many refer to it as to mean an MC that occurs within days of your period being due, thus resulting in a positive test and then a few days later heartbreak when your "period" comes. However the true definition (I believe, somone correct me if I am wrong) of a CP is just a pregnancy that can only (so far) be detected by HCG blood and urine tests, rather than a pregnancy that can be detected by an ultrasound showing a gestational sac. So even for people whose pregnancies do not and will not end, their pregnancy is still known as a CP up until about the 5th week when a sac can be detected.

To answer your question, to mentally feel like you're out of the woods for a CP (as most people mean it, a very early MC that occures around the time of expected period) I would think around CD35 you'd be "safe"...however there is always a risk of MC, it just drops significantly at certain points throughout the pregnancy. I don't know the stats, but once you enter second tri there is a big drop in the chance of having an MC, but again, there is always a chance.

I know it's way easier said than done, but if I were you I would try not to worry too much because worry will not change the outcome either way. At least this is what I hope to be able to do the next time I get pregnant. I've only had one CP, but seeing how common it was I worried every minute of the 4 days I knew I was KU, and it didn't keep me from losing it, nor did it help me prepare for when I did lose it. As of now you are pregnant (congrats!!!!) so enjoy it. Good luck!

to the first bolded - no...a chemical pregnancy is only diagnosed when there are dropping betas (or if no betas were taken, when nothing shows on the u/s). Any situation where there is a possibility of a chemical pregnancy (spotting) is referred to as a threatened miscarriage...this stands until you are far enough along to be considered pre-term labor.

You aren't safe from a chemical pregnancy until you are beyond 6 weeks, when the heart starts beating, then it just shifts to other types of miscarriage.

I was going by this:

"When the pregnancy develops to the point that ultrasound could confirm the existence of the pregnancy, the term becomes clinical pregnancy".

from https://miscarriage.about.com/od/onetimemiscarriages/p/chemicalpreg.htm but maybe I misunderstood it, and/or it's not a reliable source.

katharine25 · August 2012

GhostMonkey:
A CP is any loss that occurs prior to the detection of a heartbeat. So really any loss before 6 weeks (or about 28 dpo) is considered a CP. You can still have losses after that point. You are never safe from a loss until you deliver. Sorry.

Technically, it's when there's no visible confirmation of a pregnancy on an ultrasound. For instance, a blighted ovum would never have a heartbeat but it;s not considered a "chemical" because you could still see the sack on a u/s. It's thereby a "clinical" pregnancy.

Chemical Pregnancy just refers to a pregnancy that can only be detected via HCG. A Clinical Pregnancy is when there is products of conception visible on an ultrasound.

To the OP, mt 2nd pg I got a + hpt at 12dpo once and then had a CP at 6w0d. And yes, the risk of miscarriage in general drops significantly after a visible heartbeat, but even a heartbeat if not a guarantee that you will bring home a baby. My first pregnancy, the heartbeat stopped at 12w1d. A quick trip to the Loss board will show you that even full term isn't a guarantee. Someone always has to be that 1%.

rkotnik · August 2012

Thanks angelsnight, very helpful insight!

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