Stubborn baby (sex)

cutemary007 · August 2012

Went for my 20wk appointment.....and again they weren't 100% on gender. Basically the Technician said she didn't see a penis....so "she thinks" its a girl.

After seeing the doctor her exact words were, "I wouldn't go home and start repainting rooms. Lets see you back in 4 weeks so we know for sure"

Anyone good at looking at ultrasounds. I'll be happy with whatever baby is....I just dont like the uncertainty. Especially since my friend was told 'girl' and ended up having a boy.

Thoughts anyone????

g8trkim · August 2012

They are the experts, so if they aren't sure I think you're going to have to wait. Our DD didn't cooperate the first u/s but they let me come back 2 days later and so gave them just a couple minutes to get a good look. If they don't see something I would tend to lean toward girl, but it's really hard to say. Sorry. I know it's frustrating.

BLPL101 · August 2012

I'm having a girl and we have that exact same shot, but you can clearly see three little lines.

Kern91 · August 2012

Well it looks like there isn't anything there but it's hard to see the three little lines. When I had my girl it was very clear three lines. I would wait and go in again in 4 weeks and hopefully they can get a better pic of the area.

Raeily · August 2012

I wish I could help but I never know what I'm looking at with these things. ^_^

Better off just waiting four weeks and getting it right. Don't stake too much on what random internet folk will tell you. They will gladly spew false information if they're convinced that they're right (e.g. "gender is the incorrect term"), and conviction doesn't make something a fact.

Good luck!

cbrotz2010 · August 2012

Raeily:
I wish I could help but I never know what I'm looking at with these things. ^_^
Better off just waiting four weeks and getting it right. Don't stake too much on what random internet folk will tell you. They will gladly spew false information if they're convinced that they're right (e.g. "gender is the incorrect term"), and conviction doesn't make something a fact.
Good luck!

While I agree not to stake too much on what people say, especially if doctors are unsure, the term gender is in fact incorrect. Take a sociology course or a psychology course. Sex is biological, gender is a social construct. Does it work out a majority of the time that sex ends up being the same as gender? Probably. Not every single time though.

To the OP -- Not much of a help...it looks the same shot we got, but with our little girl there were three CLEAR white lines that they pointed to. Sorry!

JessaPrimate · August 2012

Even when the tech told us girl with certainty I waited until the next u/s before buying a few pink clothing items.

Raeily · August 2012

cbrotz2010:
Raeily:
I wish I could help but I never know what I'm looking at with these things. ^_^
Better off just waiting four weeks and getting it right. Don't stake too much on what random internet folk will tell you. They will gladly spew false information if they're convinced that they're right (e.g. "gender is the incorrect term"), and conviction doesn't make something a fact.
Good luck!

While I agree not to stake too much on what people say, especially if doctors are unsure, the term gender is in fact incorrect. Take a sociology course or a psychology course. Sex is biological, gender is a social construct. Does it work out a majority of the time that sex ends up being the same as gender? Probably. Not every single time though.
To the OP -- Not much of a help...it looks the same shot we got, but with our little girl there were three CLEAR white lines that they pointed to. Sorry!

You're right, if we're looking at it from a sociological or psychology view, gender IS incorrect. But from an anatomical/medical standpoint it is correct. Different schools of thought use words differently. I don't freak out when someone says they buy Organic Carrots because technically all carrots are organic. That would be ridiculous, I know they're not talking about it from that point of view.

In these posts, using the term gender is appropriate. We're not talking psychology or sociology, we're talking anatomically.

cutemary007 · August 2012

Raeily:
cbrotz2010:
Raeily:

I wish I could help but I never know what I'm looking at with these things. ^_^

Better off just waiting four weeks and getting it right. Don't stake too much on what random internet folk will tell you. They will gladly spew false information if they're convinced that they're right (e.g. "gender is the incorrect term"), and conviction doesn't make something a fact.

Good luck!

While I agree not to stake too much on what people say, especially if doctors are unsure, the term gender is in fact incorrect. Take a sociology course or a psychology course. Sex is biological, gender is a social construct. Does it work out a majority of the time that sex ends up being the same as gender? Probably. Not every single time though.

To the OP -- Not much of a help...it looks the same shot we got, but with our little girl there were three CLEAR white lines that they pointed to. Sorry!

You're right, if we're looking at it from a sociological or psychology view, gender IS incorrect. But from an anatomical/medical standpoint it is correct. Different schools of thought use words differently. I don't freak out when someone says they buy Organic Carrots because technically all carrots are organic. That would be ridiculous, I know they're not talking about it from that point of view.

In these posts, using the term gender is appropriate. We're not talking psychology or sociology, we're talking anatomically.

AGREED!!!

And just FYI...I actually have taken numerous courses in Psychology and Sociology for my degrees. 8 years to be exact.

I didnt want the term 'sex' to cause confusion since socially speaking the common terminology is known as such. I wasn't posting to be politically analyzed...just for fun and venting.

Lighten up.

laheath28 · August 2012

Get over yourselves, so she used gender instead of sex. We all know what she mean't. I swear some people look for these posts just to swoop in and correct people. Enough already.

setower05 · August 2012

gen?der (j

n

d

r)

n.

1. The sex of an individual, male or female, based on reproductive anatomy.

2. Sexual identity, especially in relation to society or culture.

Source: The American Heritage? Medical Dictionary

Either one works, I'd say. Let's not split hairs.

Raeily · August 2012

MandJS:
Raeily:
cbrotz2010:
Raeily:
I wish I could help but I never know what I'm looking at with these things. ^_^
Better off just waiting four weeks and getting it right. Don't stake too much on what random internet folk will tell you. They will gladly spew false information if they're convinced that they're right (e.g. "gender is the incorrect term"), and conviction doesn't make something a fact.
Good luck!

While I agree not to stake too much on what people say, especially if doctors are unsure, the term gender is in fact incorrect. Take a sociology course or a psychology course. Sex is biological, gender is a social construct. Does it work out a majority of the time that sex ends up being the same as gender? Probably. Not every single time though.
To the OP -- Not much of a help...it looks the same shot we got, but with our little girl there were three CLEAR white lines that they pointed to. Sorry!
You're right, if we're looking at it from a sociological or psychology view, gender IS incorrect. But from an anatomical/medical standpoint it is correct. Different schools of thought use words differently. I don't freak out when someone says they buy Organic Carrots because technically all carrots are organic. That would be ridiculous, I know they're not talking about it from that point of view.
In these posts, using the term gender is appropriate. We're not talking psychology or sociology, we're talking anatomically.
Except, most of these posts evolve into "It's a girl, so I can't wait to go buy pink frilly dresses!". That's sociological. People aren't "squeeing" and AWing themselves on these posts because of the genitalia their fetuses have. They are doing it because it determines how they will decorate the nursery. Thus, the correct term is gender.
Plus, if you're getting all "medical" on me... WHO agrees with my use of the terms.
https://www.who.int/gender/whatisgender/en/
What do we mean by "sex" and "gender"?
Sometimes it is hard to understand exactly what is meant by the term "gender", and how it differs from the closely related term "sex".
"Sex" refers to the biological and physiological characteristics that define men and women.
"Gender" refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviours, activities, and attributes that a given society considers appropriate for men and women.
To put it another way:
"Male" and "female" are sex categories, while "masculine" and "feminine" are gender categories.
Aspects of sex will not vary substantially between different human societies, while aspects of gender may vary greatly.
Some examples of sex characteristics :
Women menstruate while men do not
Men have testicles while women do not
Women have developed breasts that are usually capable of lactating, while men have not
Men generally have more massive bones than women
Some examples of gender characteristics :
In the United States (and most other countries), women earn significantly less money than men for similar work
In Viet Nam, many more men than women smoke, as female smoking has not traditionally been considered appropriate
In Saudi Arabia men are allowed to drive cars while women are not
In most of the world, women do more housework than men

Sorry, but to say because some parents are taking the announcement of their child's anatomical GENDER and moving forward with their own sociologically based gender biases to choose how to dress the baby or decorate the nursery that the post is all of sudden from a sociological or psychological viewpoint is ridiculous.

Also, WHO is the World Health Organization and they're working from a health standpoint that includes both physical and mental health, both an anatomical and psychological viewpoint and so they will make that distinction. We're not. We're talking about a PURELY physical distinction and as you yourself have said, a child doesn't develop their sociological/psychological gender until much later so it shouldn't even come into question what we're talking about.

laheath28 · August 2012

MandJS:

laheath28:
Get over yourselves, so she used gender instead of sex. We all know what she mean't. I swear some people look for these posts just to swoop in and correct people. Enough already.

Untrue. Often times, people do NOT realize there is a difference. The meaning of words evolve over time. Just like saying someone was dumb used to mean they lacked the ability to speak, but is now more commonly used to describe someone's intellectual status, gender used to mean essentially the same thing as sex. It doesn't anymore. Just like you're allowed to be annoyed with the correction, I'm allowed to be annoyed by the misinformation. The difference between us is that I simply state the difference in my post, and then go on with my life, whereas you (and others) act all holier than thou and try to bash me for something. Which in turn, leads me to respond, and makes it all a bigger deal than it needs to. I say my peace, and if no one calls me out, I don't continue to harp on the issue.

I highly doubt anyone was confused by her meaning. If you use context clues, you can clearly see what she mean't.

laheath28 · August 2012

MandJS:
laheath28:
MandJS:

laheath28:
Get over yourselves, so she used gender instead of sex. We all know what she mean't. I swear some people look for these posts just to swoop in and correct people. Enough already.

Untrue. Often times, people do NOT realize there is a difference. The meaning of words evolve over time. Just like saying someone was dumb used to mean they lacked the ability to speak, but is now more commonly used to describe someone's intellectual status, gender used to mean essentially the same thing as sex. It doesn't anymore. Just like you're allowed to be annoyed with the correction, I'm allowed to be annoyed by the misinformation. The difference between us is that I simply state the difference in my post, and then go on with my life, whereas you (and others) act all holier than thou and try to bash me for something. Which in turn, leads me to respond, and makes it all a bigger deal than it needs to. I say my peace, and if no one calls me out, I don't continue to harp on the issue.

I highly doubt anyone was confused by her meaning. If you use context clues, you can clearly see what she mean't.

1) I understood her meaning. What I was NOT aware of was whether she knew there was actually a difference in terms and definitions.

2) Meant does not have an apostrophe. You're not helping your argument by putting one in there.

Your job of correcting people all day must get very tiring.

setower05 · August 2012

I think it's asinine that people's posts about the excitement or confusion about the anatomical assignment (how's that?) of their new baby is always muddled with this endless argument.

Raeily · August 2012

MandJS:
setower05:
I think it's asinine that people's posts about the excitement or confusion about the anatomical assignment (how's that?) of their new baby is always muddled with this endless argument.
I agree with you. I posted my opinion (in this case) that the OP should probably just wait, and then said it's sex, not gender. Other people are the ones who turn it into a whole debate. I am simply stating a fact, in addition to responding to the original post.

You think you're correcting people about their mistake regarding gender vs. sex. We're not doing anything different. I don't want you to go around making yourself look "uneducated".

ilenegrace · August 2012

JessaPrimate:
Even when the tech told us girl with certainty I waited until the next u/s before buying a few pink clothing items.

This!

Raeily · August 2012

MandJS:
Raeily:
MandJS:
setower05:
I think it's asinine that people's posts about the excitement or confusion about the anatomical assignment (how's that?) of their new baby is always muddled with this endless argument.
I agree with you. I posted my opinion (in this case) that the OP should probably just wait, and then said it's sex, not gender. Other people are the ones who turn it into a whole debate. I am simply stating a fact, in addition to responding to the original post.
You think you're correcting people about their mistake regarding gender vs. sex. We're not doing anything different. I don't want you to go around making yourself look "uneducated".
I am not. The words did used to be synonymous. I never claimed otherwise. However, the very fact that gender has another meaning is a newer concept. Some people do NOT realize that there can be a different meaning for the word.

Sure, it did develop a relatively new meaning when speaking in terms of psychology or sociology and it IS important to know that, but it has nothing to do with these posts and it doesn't even come into play for a long time. If someone were to use it incorrectly on the parenting board or any of the boards people frequent while raising their children, I could see it being appropriate to correct them, not here.

katielynn01 · August 2012

laheath28:
MandJS:
laheath28:
MandJS:

laheath28:
Get over yourselves, so she used gender instead of sex. We all know what she mean't. I swear some people look for these posts just to swoop in and correct people. Enough already.

Untrue. Often times, people do NOT realize there is a difference. The meaning of words evolve over time. Just like saying someone was dumb used to mean they lacked the ability to speak, but is now more commonly used to describe someone's intellectual status, gender used to mean essentially the same thing as sex. It doesn't anymore. Just like you're allowed to be annoyed with the correction, I'm allowed to be annoyed by the misinformation. The difference between us is that I simply state the difference in my post, and then go on with my life, whereas you (and others) act all holier than thou and try to bash me for something. Which in turn, leads me to respond, and makes it all a bigger deal than it needs to. I say my peace, and if no one calls me out, I don't continue to harp on the issue.

I highly doubt anyone was confused by her meaning. If you use context clues, you can clearly see what she mean't.

1) I understood her meaning. What I was NOT aware of was whether she knew there was actually a difference in terms and definitions.

2) Meant does not have an apostrophe. You're not helping your argument by putting one in there.

Your job of correcting people all day must get very tiring.

Wow you managed to throw mean't in there two times. Both spelled wrong. I really thought that first one was a typo.. I wouldn't be trying to correct anyone if I were you. It's getting embarrassing for your sake.

setower05 · August 2012

MandJS:
setower05:
I think it's asinine that people's posts about the excitement or confusion about the anatomical assignment (how's that?) of their new baby is always muddled with this endless argument.
I agree with you. I posted my opinion (in this case) that the OP should probably just wait, and then said it's sex, not gender. Other people are the ones who turn it into a whole debate. I am simply stating a fact, in addition to responding to the original post.

Perhaps. But with all due respect, it seems like you do this first in everyone's post regarding sex or gender. Then the debate starts. If Pandora's Box wasn't opened to begin with, my inclination is to believe nothing else could fly out. I certainly understand the aggravation of pet-peeves, and the right to post a thought or opinion freely, but one can't self-impose "education" on people.

peytons mommy · August 2012

laheath28:
Get over yourselves, so she used gender instead of sex. We all know what she mean't. I swear some people look for these posts just to swoop in and correct people. Enough already.

This.

Raeily · August 2012

MandJS:
setower05:
MandJS:
setower05:
I think it's asinine that people's posts about the excitement or confusion about the anatomical assignment (how's that?) of their new baby is always muddled with this endless argument.
I agree with you. I posted my opinion (in this case) that the OP should probably just wait, and then said it's sex, not gender. Other people are the ones who turn it into a whole debate. I am simply stating a fact, in addition to responding to the original post.

Perhaps. But with all due respect, it seems like you do this first in everyone's post regarding sex or gender. Then the debate starts. If Pandora's Box wasn't opened to begin with, my inclination is to believe nothing else could fly out. I certainly understand the aggravation of pet-peeves, and the right to post a thought or opinion freely, but one can't self-impose "education" on people.
Perhaps. To be fair, I also respond to the OP in my posts. The people who "call me out" on it, generally make no mention of a congratulations, or I would wait, or try an elective u/s in their posts. They only respond to me. But also, I don't tell people they have to correct their word choice. I just tell them that there is a difference. What they do from there is solely their choice. My choice is to make sure people know there is a difference. Your choice, apparently, is to start fights with me.

I definitely responded to OP...and I actually came into this thread to read what she said, not to correct her as you undoubtedly did. And you didn't tell her there was a difference, you told her she was wrong.

peytons mommy · August 2012

MandJS:
setower05:
MandJS:

setower05:
I think it's asinine that people's posts about the excitement or confusion about the anatomical assignment (how's that?) of their new baby is always muddled with this endless argument.

I agree with you. I posted my opinion (in this case) that the OP should probably just wait, and then said it's sex, not gender. Other people are the ones who turn it into a whole debate. I am simply stating a fact, in addition to responding to the original post.

I could have sworn you posted a couple days ago that you were going to stop this sherade. I'm over and it seems everyone else is too. Enough with the "correcting" and "educating" us. I don't need your education. We get what you mean, however this isnt going to change the way I use the term gender and sex.

Get off your damn pedastal!!!

Perhaps. But with all due respect, it seems like you do this first in everyone's post regarding sex or gender. Then the debate starts. If Pandora's Box wasn't opened to begin with, my inclination is to believe nothing else could fly out. I certainly understand the aggravation of pet-peeves, and the right to post a thought or opinion freely, but one can't self-impose "education" on people.

Perhaps. To be fair, I also respond to the OP in my posts. The people who "call me out" on it, generally make no mention of a congratulations, or I would wait, or try an elective u/s in their posts. They only respond to me. But also, I don't tell people they have to correct their word choice. I just tell them that there is a difference. What they do from there is solely their choice. My choice is to make sure people know there is a difference. Your choice, apparently, is to start fights with me.

setower05 · August 2012

MandJS:
setower05:
MandJS:
setower05:
I think it's asinine that people's posts about the excitement or confusion about the anatomical assignment (how's that?) of their new baby is always muddled with this endless argument.
I agree with you. I posted my opinion (in this case) that the OP should probably just wait, and then said it's sex, not gender. Other people are the ones who turn it into a whole debate. I am simply stating a fact, in addition to responding to the original post.

Perhaps. But with all due respect, it seems like you do this first in everyone's post regarding sex or gender. Then the debate starts. If Pandora's Box wasn't opened to begin with, my inclination is to believe nothing else could fly out. I certainly understand the aggravation of pet-peeves, and the right to post a thought or opinion freely, but one can't self-impose "education" on people.
Perhaps. To be fair, I also respond to the OP in my posts. The people who "call me out" on it, generally make no mention of a congratulations, or I would wait, or try an elective u/s in their posts. They only respond to me. But also, I don't tell people they have to correct their word choice. I just tell them that there is a difference. What they do from there is solely their choice. My choice is to make sure people know there is a difference. Your choice, apparently, is to start fights with me.

It is certainly not my intention to start a "fight." Just to respectfully disagree with your philosophical approach to certain issues. It's not personal. It's part of what the boards are for, to some degree. But it doesn't belong in all threads, and I think it's permeated this one too much as it is, so I will tactfully excuse myself now.

Raeily · August 2012

MandJS:
Raeily:
MandJS:
setower05:
MandJS:
setower05:
I think it's asinine that people's posts about the excitement or confusion about the anatomical assignment (how's that?) of their new baby is always muddled with this endless argument.
I agree with you. I posted my opinion (in this case) that the OP should probably just wait, and then said it's sex, not gender. Other people are the ones who turn it into a whole debate. I am simply stating a fact, in addition to responding to the original post.

Perhaps. But with all due respect, it seems like you do this first in everyone's post regarding sex or gender. Then the debate starts. If Pandora's Box wasn't opened to begin with, my inclination is to believe nothing else could fly out. I certainly understand the aggravation of pet-peeves, and the right to post a thought or opinion freely, but one can't self-impose "education" on people.
Perhaps. To be fair, I also respond to the OP in my posts. The people who "call me out" on it, generally make no mention of a congratulations, or I would wait, or try an elective u/s in their posts. They only respond to me. But also, I don't tell people they have to correct their word choice. I just tell them that there is a difference. What they do from there is solely their choice. My choice is to make sure people know there is a difference. Your choice, apparently, is to start fights with me.

I definitely responded to OP...and I actually came into this thread to read what she said, not to correct her as you undoubtedly did. And you didn't tell her there was a difference, you told her she was wrong.
YOU did. Others didn't. And you're right, I suppose. I just said "it's sex, not gender". If it will make you happy, I will go edit to say that a more accurate term would be sex instead of gender. Which is true. The definition of sex is clear that it's only referring to anatomy. There are two definitions of gender, which makes the intent or meaning more unclear.

Sure, go with that. But no one gets confused because sex can also mean coitus. We all know what we're talking about here and no one is wrong for saying they found out the gender of their baby. Now, if they start saying they found out at the "gender ultrasound", I give permission for a lashing.

peytons mommy · August 2012

Mand J-

I could have sworn you posted a couple days ago that you were going to stop this sherade. I'm over and it seems everyone else is too. Enough with the "correcting" and "educating" us. I don't need your education. We get what you mean, however this isnt going to change the way I use the term gender and sex.

Get off your damn pedastal!!!

peytons mommy · August 2012

MandJS:
peytons mommy:

Mand J-

I could have sworn you posted a couple days ago that you were going to stop this sherade. I'm over and it seems everyone else is too. Enough with the "correcting" and "educating" us. I don't need your education. We get what you mean, however this isnt going to change the way I use the term gender and sex.

Get off your damn pedastal!!!

I don't recall stating that I was going to stop educating people, ever. It's charade, not sherade. And I'm glad you're over it. I'm over people being ignorant, whether it's purposeful or not.

Oh dear lord excuse the slip of my fingers on spelling. I am not ignorant for not using your terminology. Get a fvucking clue that your way of thinking is not the only. And yes, you did make that post on Dec 12. In fact every post you make you sound like an entitles little b*tch. Enough. You must be exhausted having to force feed your train of thought down everyone's throat.

Done.

Raeily · August 2012

Peyton's Mommy:

MandJS may be overbearing sometimes, but name calling isn't necessary. Swear words never help you prove a point.

That being said, I for one can't wait to hear what happens at the OP's next u/s!

EDIT: Sorry, they do help you prove a point in rare cases, such as, "I know more swear words than you".

ally2011 · August 2012

DID ANYONE HAPPEN TO NOTICE THAT SOMEONE POSTED THE DEFINITION FROM A MEDICAL DICTIONARY?

That should have been the last post about this....sheesh.

ally2011 · August 2012

Here it is again.

setower05:
gen?der (jndr)
n.
1. The sex of an individual, male or female, based on reproductive anatomy.
2. Sexual identity, especially in relation to society or culture.

Source: The American Heritage? Medical Dictionary

Either one works, I'd say. Let's not split hairs.

BlameItOnTheRain · August 2012

MandJS:
laheath28:
MandJS:
laheath28:
MandJS:

laheath28:
Get over yourselves, so she used gender instead of sex. We all know what she mean't. I swear some people look for these posts just to swoop in and correct people. Enough already.

Untrue. Often times, people do NOT realize there is a difference. The meaning of words evolve over time. Just like saying someone was dumb used to mean they lacked the ability to speak, but is now more commonly used to describe someone's intellectual status, gender used to mean essentially the same thing as sex. It doesn't anymore. Just like you're allowed to be annoyed with the correction, I'm allowed to be annoyed by the misinformation. The difference between us is that I simply state the difference in my post, and then go on with my life, whereas you (and others) act all holier than thou and try to bash me for something. Which in turn, leads me to respond, and makes it all a bigger deal than it needs to. I say my peace, and if no one calls me out, I don't continue to harp on the issue.

I highly doubt anyone was confused by her meaning. If you use context clues, you can clearly see what she mean't.

1) I understood her meaning. What I was NOT aware of was whether she knew there was actually a difference in terms and definitions.

2) Meant does not have an apostrophe. You're not helping your argument by putting one in there.

Your job of correcting people all day must get very tiring.

I don't correct people all day on everything. I educate people on the difference in term between sex and gender because I believe strongly that people need to know there is a difference.

And while there is no other way to interpret mean't (mean not?), incorrect grammar and spelling can make it difficult for people to ascertain what you are trying to say. And makes you sound like an idiot.

You made the same mistake twice in a row. Once, I assume a typo. Twice, I assume you don't know the difference. You want people to go around thinking you are uneducated, that's on you. Personally, I would prefer someone were to teach and correct me if I were the one making the mistake.

It's like the whole argument of whether or not you should tell someone they have spinach in their teeth or TP on their shoe. I vote that you should. It might be embarrassing for 30 seconds for you, but for the person you are telling, they otherwise don't know and will be even more embarrassed when they discover it later and realize no one told them.

Get off your pedestal. Why don't you stick to your day job, because your message is now lost in a haze of self-righteousness.

And I can't wait for you to flub some basic grammar. This is TB, not a medical dictionary.

cutemary007 · August 2012

Raeily:

Peyton's Mommy:

MandJS may be overbearing sometimes, but name calling isn't necessary. Swear words never help you prove a point.

That being said, I for one can't wait to hear what happens at the OP's next u/s!

EDIT: Sorry, they do help you prove a point in rare cases, such as, "I know more swear words than you".

Thanks!

And MandJS - They are only doing another ultrasound for other medical reasons...not just the gender. I have an ovarian cyst they are watching to see if it grows larger and are waiting 1 month to see what it does. My doctor wrote on my chart to also confirm gender since it hasn't been done in previous ultrasounds. So we'll see.......

Jenmilhorn · August 2012

cutemary007:
Raeily:

Peyton's Mommy:

MandJS may be overbearing sometimes, but name calling isn't necessary. Swear words never help you prove a point.

That being said, I for one can't wait to hear what happens at the OP's next u/s!

EDIT: Sorry, they do help you prove a point in rare cases, such as, "I know more swear words than you".

Thanks!

And MandJS - They are only doing another ultrasound for other medical reasons...not just the gender. I have an ovarian cyst they are watching to see if it grows larger and are waiting 1 month to see what it does. My doctor wrote on my chart to also confirm gender since it hasn't been done in previous ultrasounds. So we'll see.......

Oh dear Lord, please tell me you did that on purpose just to be snarky? When addressing MandJS directly you probably should have used "sex" instead of "gender" because now clearly it shows you didn't get her message and she will not stop "educating" us.

cutemary007 · August 2012

MandJS:
Jenmilhorn:
cutemary007:
Raeily:

Peyton's Mommy:

MandJS may be overbearing sometimes, but name calling isn't necessary. Swear words never help you prove a point.

That being said, I for one can't wait to hear what happens at the OP's next u/s!

EDIT: Sorry, they do help you prove a point in rare cases, such as, "I know more swear words than you".

Thanks!

And MandJS - They are only doing another ultrasound for other medical reasons...not just the gender. I have an ovarian cyst they are watching to see if it grows larger and are waiting 1 month to see what it does. My doctor wrote on my chart to also confirm gender since it hasn't been done in previous ultrasounds. So we'll see.......

Oh dear Lord, please tell me you did that on purpose just to be snarky? When addressing MandJS directly you probably should have used "sex" instead of "gender" because now clearly it shows you didn't get her message and she will not stop "educating" us.

See, and that just proves you haven't been paying attention. CuteMary acknowledged she DOES know the difference. In this very thread. I am not going to correct her, again, and there is nothing to educate her about. She knows the difference and chooses to use the word gender. That's her prerogative, just like it's mine to educate people when I'm not sure if they DO know the difference.

And to CuteMary - good luck with the ovarian cyst issue. Hopefully it's a NON issue and the baby cooperates better. If not, well, you'll find out soon enough, anyway.

It was honestly a mistake. I wasn't trying to be snotty. Goes to show you how easy it is to type gender versus sex. I kept reading the gender/sex discussion and must have typed it without thinking.

No debating from this mom. Ya'll (intended slang) can use whatever term you would like. I was merely thanking you for 'best wishes'

nanabanana06 · August 2012

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thatoneredhead · August 2012

"Sex" refers to the biological and physiological characteristics that define men and women.

"Gender" refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviours, activities, and attributes that a given society considers appropriate for men and women.

To put it another way:

"Male" and "female" are sex categories, while "masculine" and "feminine" are gender categories.

Soo.... my gay cousin dates a very feminine man- so he is dating a female gendered man? NO. He is dating a man, and if you ask him his "gender" he will say male, even with his fabulousness in full force.

Soo... my transgendered uncle looks like any other man, yet feels completely female. So since he is "masculine" his gender is male because he wears a tie? NO. He prefers to remain undefined, as I'd imagine many people who have a difference in their gender and sex would.

If I told you he jokes that he is the most unfortunate lesbian ever, would that offend anyone? Because a lesbian HAS TO BE a woman? While sex and gender are 2 very different things, rigid semantics dont quite fit. I dont care how educated society is, gender/sex will ALWAYS be interchangeable to the masses.

I dont like to say "PEENIISSS" every time I talk about my son's genitalia. That word seems to not fit a tiny baby, therefore I say "pee-pee" or "his little pene." I think some people have a weirdness about talking about their babies having sexes. Gender is a softer word. Stupid? Probably. I need to quit lurking but this was just too much.

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