Ugh - I'm slightly annoyed. We've been at the same daycare/preschool since DD was a baby. I always knew the infant and toddler teachers didn't have degrees and was fine with it. I understood that starting in the 3s and beyond the teachers would have 4 year degrees. This was not totally accurate and its very likely I misunderstood. When DD got to the 3s class, of the 3 3s teachers, one has a BS in a science, the other has a AA degree in something and I don't what the other teacher has, but she's been teaching 3s for 15 years. When we started, there were 2 4s teachers and each happened to have a BA (or BS?) in Early Childhood Education - but those teachers have both left. The current 4s teachers do not have 4 year degrees and I don't even think they have AA degrees.
I'm generally happy w/ the curriculum at the school, but I'm bothered by their lack of education. When we started, I was excited about the teachers have ECE degrees, but when we got to 3s and no one had it, I was Ok w/ them not having it b/c the 4s teachers would. But, now it appears the 4s teachers they have lined up for next year, don't have degrees either.
Re: Would this bother you - preschool teachers w/o a degree?
Personally, I don't expect my preschool teachers to be members of the academy.
How specific is the curriculum? Is it play-based? I think I would want more rigorous education/training for my preschool teacher if it followed a specific philosophy (especially if it were something like Montessori that would include kindergarten as Early Childhood).
My daycare had a number of education undergrads as staff members (it was near a university), so they didn't have degrees. The director did, however.
But it doesn't matter what I think about it--it matters what YOU think about it, and what you think your child needs from a preschool.
Our PS is private (not a center) and all the teachers have degrees (at least an associates) and NAEYC certifications.
It's one of the reasons I chose that school but if we were at a center and liked everything else about it and the teachers had experience and seem competent, I wouldn't pull them out.
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If I already liked the center, it would not bother me one bit. I can think of a lot of college educated people that I would never leave my child with.
Also, you've shown that retention is hard with teacher that have 4-year degrees. I think retention of teachers is very important, and it may be easier to do that with teachers that lack the piece of paper.
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Hmm...I think as long as they have a programming person to help with curriculum and execution it's not a big deal...unless they're a school and not a daycare. Either way, I don't know if you think your 3 year old should be doing algebra or anything...or if you think someone with a high school diploma can teach coloring, counting to 20, tying shoelaces, and the basics of phonics. Especially if they have a lot of experience in this area, and your child is learning something, and not just playing and eating snack, I would think it's okay.
At my son's school it's my assumption all of the lead teachers have a minimum of a bachelor's degree and that at least one of the teachers in each room has Montessori accrediation. They have their crdentials and bio outside their classrooms, and it seems everyone has a 4 year degree at least of what I've seen.
Maybe your director can give you some insight. Maybe the person hired has enough experience that the education part doesn't hinder her abilities, maybe she has a lot of extra education that doesn't amount to a degree but more field appropriate classes or workshops.
With daycare teachers, I would not expect them to have a BA. I do expect them to have a state license and first aid and cpr certified. I am sure they have a AA in Child Development or something similar.
With DS's preschool, I have high expectations because DS is a special needs child and I need the teacher to be specialized in special ed with a teacher's license. Their therapists for speech and occupational therapies require a certification, The speech therapist may have more schooling than OT but that is okay.
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No degree because they are 20 and work at a preschool because squeee they love baybeees? Problem.
No degree but have been teaching for 15 years and you are otherwise happy with their curriculum and teaching style? I would not have a problem with.
I don't mean to offend any teachers, but on some level, especially for very young kids, I think you either just "get it" or you don't. A degree won't make someone a great teacher, nor will lack of a degree mean they can't be a great one. It would depend on their experience, curriculum, personality, etc.
I'm kind of astounded by the responses in this post. Research continually proves the quality of care provided is directly related to teacher training and education. Yes, it's pitiful that in this country you can't make a living wage as a child care provider, meaning that there is very little incentive for a teacher to work toward a degree, but that doesn't make it unimportant.
To be a good early childhood teacher you do need an education. High-quality annual training can be a good starting point, but, again, research shows that the highest quality of care and education is provided by teachers with formal degrees.
Sorry to get on my soap box, but this is what I do for a living (training child care providers) and I get frustrated a lot of the time because people - parents - don't value the education that I spend all my time encouraging providers to get.
And a degree for an infant-toddler teacher is just as important as one for a preschool teacher. Or a kindergarten teacher, for that matter.
To answer the OP: it would bother me if the center is advertising degreed/credentialed teachers and then not hiring them. However, I know how hard it can be to find quality care, so it wouldn't necessarily be a 100% deal breaker for me. I'd talk to the director to get more information about their policies before I made any decisions.
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This! I've taught elementary for 8 years and everything that I learned I learned "in the field." I've also known a ton of excellent and dedicated teachers that never had a credential (because they've been teaching that long where it wasn't required decades ago) and watched as No Child Left Behind took away their jobs because they weren't credentialed. I also know teachers who are credential and full of crap.
Let me also add that although I think teachers should also continue to educate themselves and teachers without degrees should be encouraged to continue their education, your situation wouldn't be a dealbreaker for me.
I have never heard of a caycare where the actual workers/teachers had university degrees. The daycares usually have ECE workers which is a college course. (2 year diploma) They are called teachers but aren't actually teachers in the sense that they haven't been to university for a post-grad degree in teaching.
IT wouldn't bug me at all because a diploma in ECE would be enough and even someone with experience without their ECE diploma can do an amazing job caring for children.
If their teacher in school did not have a degree I would be concened.
EDIT I would like to say the daycare directors I have known have usually gone to university for their BA.
Some of the best child care workers I have known do not have a degree or diploma at all while some of the worst have plenty of education.
Daycare no (but we don't use daycare; my MIL, who is retired, watches LO until she starts pre K).
Pre-K, absolutely. At the schools we are looking at for LO, all of the Pre-K teachers have a BA at minimum.
First, teaching small children is a profession, and a teacher should have professional training in early childhood development. Second, it isn't just about the professional training, it is also about my child spending all day with other educated people. It's about manners, expectations, priorities, worldview, etc, that come from being a college educated person, whether that degree is in education or not.
I have my BS in Eary Childhood Education and have worked at a daycare since I graduated. Teaching jobs are nearly impossible to come by, so there are quite a few of us with 4-year degrees working there. Personally, I would want my child's preschool teacher to have at least a 2-year degree in education.
And yes, we get paid terribly.
I would never expect a daycare to have teachers with degrees. They simply don't pay enough to make it worthwhile for someone who went to college for four years. I have a BS in elementary education and early education. There is no way I could live on a daycare salary, even a nice place. However, I probably wouldn't send my four year old to a program where the teachers did not have a degree. I would look for a new place for the four year old program if I were you. In our state, we are lucky because PreK is a state-wide program available to every student through the public school system. It's pretty much widely accepted that all children will attend, although not mandatory. So, it's a sure thing that my child will be in a school with state certified teachers. I would switch if I were you when she enters the four year old program. It wouldn't concern me at age 3 though.
I'm curious- what degree would an infant-toddler teacher need? I have an early childhood education degree---but I'm an elementary teacher. What degree would cater to infant-toddler?
I'm curious- what degree would an infant-toddler teacher need? I have an early childhood education degree---but I'm an elementary teacher. What degree would cater to infant-toddler?
Yes, I'm curious as well. What degrees do infant/toddler teachers need? I'm just not buying it.
this. as long as they can teach the curriculum, i'm more concerned about their attitude/disposition and how they interact with the children at this stage.
This exactly. They do not make much money to my knowledge.
I haven't reviewed all the replies but here is my take. Ds2 has been at his center since he was an infant. The only "teachers" with a degree is the 4yr old teacher. she is certified. I do believe my ds has some learning disablities that were not picked up on in the 3 yr old room. His 4yr old teacher worked with his problems and found a way to teach him. His 3's teacher was very nice and experienced. I believe though that his 4 yr old teacher's education gave her the basis of how to teach him.
That being said I don't believe a degree makes you a good teacher. My dd is at the same daycare because they are loving caretakers. But we will likely move her when she is 3.
I have to chime in here also...I think that this pp was not saying that all teachers must have a degree or something but that she was surprised at how everyone in the thread was discounting education as being important or relevant. It is a bit shocking to me as well, since as pp mentioned, I believe there are quite a number of studies out there about effectiveness, etc of more highly trained teachers. That doesn't mean a degree= better teacher, it means that a degree is a tool that can (and in many cases does) help someone to be a more effective teacher. And I also don't think she was saying that a degree in chemistry = good teacher. In the infant toddler room for example, the degree doesnt have to be in early childhood education, it could be in human development, a general health studies related field, family studies, etc etc etc etc. There are so many things to to study that are relevant to kids & families.
Also, to those who don't think their degree taught them 'anything' and they learned it all on the job- I would be very surprised if that is true. What a degree (in anything) often teaches you is critical thinking, provides experiences in the classroom & in practicum areas where you get to practice in a safe environment, you learn about policies, guidelines, recommendations & how they are developed & applied to children & education, about a wide variety of approaches & theories & how/when they work or don't work and with whom, communication skills & approaches, conflict resolution, understanding some management skills or concepts, a little bit about budgets or program planning, the list goes on & on--- even if you don't USE all these things every day necessarily, you still have thinking & assessing & planning skills that you have gained from those educational experiences.
A pp mentioned that she felt some things may have been missed in her child- I think this is also very important to keep in mind- formal training about developmental milestones to look out for, some of the major delays or disorders, and other similar concerns or issues is very important in the infant/toddler room IMO. Can you learn that on the job, of course. But would it be EVEN BETTER for someone to walk in the door with some of that basic knowledge? How can you argue that?
I work in nursing and it has been proven in a number of studies that a Bachelor's degree improves patient safety & other outcomes and therefore there is a strong movement toward AA/AS degree nurses completing their BSN. Does this mean they were not a good nurse beforehand or that a new BSN nurse is 'better' than a 20 yr experienced AA/AS degree nurse? Of course not, but it is well regarded to enhance the skills & thinking of the nurse. I don't see much of a difference in education, personally.
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. It is not a dealbreaker for me, but I admit at our first DC I was very happy to find that every room had a teacher with a BS/BA in it.
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The original poster started by saying that originally the three teachers had a BS In a science, an associates degree with an unknown major and a teacher with many years experience and no degree. She was happy with this scenario but the three left and were replaced by teachers with no post high school education. So it seemed as if she was happy for them just to have A college degree of any kind. So yes my answer remains the same, not just any college degree with prepare you to teach children. If it did then then I would expect school districts to just require a bachelors degree to become a teacher. Like any other job it requires skills and like isaid I don't think my chemistry degree gave me those skills unless the kids want to learn about the periodic table. It wouldn't/doesn't bother me, I am more concerned with how effective the individual teacher is than their education.