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Would this bother you - preschool teachers w/o a degree?

Ugh - I'm slightly annoyed.  We've been at the same daycare/preschool since DD was a baby.  I always knew the infant and toddler teachers didn't have degrees and was fine with it.  I understood that starting in the 3s and beyond the teachers would have 4 year degrees.  This was not totally accurate and its very likely I misunderstood.  When DD got to the 3s class, of the 3 3s teachers, one has a BS in a  science, the other has a AA degree in something and I don't what the other teacher has, but she's been teaching 3s for 15 years.  When we started, there were 2 4s teachers and each happened to have a BA (or BS?) in Early Childhood Education - but those teachers have both left.  The current 4s teachers do not have 4 year degrees and I don't even think they have AA degrees. 

I'm generally happy w/ the curriculum at the school, but I'm bothered by their lack of education.  When we started, I was excited about the teachers have ECE degrees, but when we got to 3s and no one had it, I was Ok w/ them not having it b/c the 4s teachers would.  But, now it appears the 4s teachers they have lined up for next year, don't have degrees either.

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  • Honestly, that's not a dealbreaker for me.  I'm surprised, to be honest, that so many 4-year college graduates are willing to work for daycare wages.  As long as the care provider has safety training and is good with the kids, I'm fine.
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  • If I was happy with the curriculum, it wouldn't bother me. I can't imagine someone with a 4 year degree working for a daycare-they don't make very much money.
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  • Personally, I don't expect my preschool teachers to be members of the academy.

    How specific is the curriculum? Is it play-based? I think I would want more rigorous education/training for my preschool teacher if it followed a specific philosophy (especially if it were something like Montessori that would include kindergarten as Early Childhood).

    My daycare had a number of education undergrads as staff members (it was near a university), so they didn't have degrees. The director did, however.

    But it doesn't matter what I think about it--it matters what YOU think about it, and what you think your child needs from a preschool.

  • Our PS is private (not a center) and all the teachers have degrees (at least an associates) and NAEYC certifications. 

    It's one of the reasons I chose that school but if we were at a center and liked everything else about it and the teachers had experience and seem competent, I wouldn't pull them out. 

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  • If I already liked the center, it would not bother me one bit. I can think of a lot of college educated people that I would never leave my child with.

    Also, you've shown that retention is hard with teacher that have 4-year degrees.  I think retention of teachers is very important, and it may be easier to do that with teachers that lack the piece of paper.

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  • I'm not surprised, there is no where in our town to get a 4 year old in pre-school with a teacher with a 4 year degree--UNLESS they are at a private school that goes from pre-k to 12 or something or if you qualify to go to the public school pre-k program.
  • Hmm...I think as long as they have a programming person to help with curriculum and execution it's not a big deal...unless they're a school and not a daycare. Either way, I don't know if you think your 3 year old should be doing algebra or anything...or if you think someone with a high school diploma can teach coloring, counting to 20, tying shoelaces, and the basics of phonics. Especially if they have a lot of experience in this area, and your child is learning something, and not just playing and eating snack, I would think it's okay. 

    At my son's school it's my assumption all of the lead teachers have a minimum of a bachelor's degree and that at least one of the teachers in each room has Montessori accrediation. They have their crdentials and bio outside their classrooms, and it seems everyone has a 4 year degree at least of what I've seen.

    Maybe your director can give you some insight.  Maybe the person hired has enough experience that the education part doesn't hinder her abilities, maybe she has a lot of extra education that doesn't amount to a degree but more field appropriate classes or workshops.

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  • It wouldn't bother me if they follow a set curriculum that I am comfortable with and my child is continually learning and growing.  Where I live pre-k is not mandatory, therefore, there are no true guidelines of how these kids should be taught.  With that said, if what they are teaching is the same as what kids with college educated teachers are being taught I don't see the problem.
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  • With daycare teachers, I would not expect them to have a BA. I do expect them to have a state license and first aid and cpr certified. I am sure they have a AA in Child Development or something similar.

    With DS's preschool, I have high expectations because DS is a special needs child and I need the teacher to be specialized in special ed with a teacher's license. Their therapists for speech and occupational therapies require a certification, The speech therapist may have more schooling than OT but that is okay. 

    My DS attends both.

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  • Having a degree would be a big plus in my book, but not having one isn't a deal breaker, because it's just not the norm in the centers in my area. I'm really happy with an AA in Child Development and experience in the classroom.
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  • You're right that for lower levels, wouldn't care.  3 and up, I'd pay attention to ECE training.  Preference would be for a 4yr degree, AA would be okay, no degree but some training eh and total lack of training eyebrows raised.  Honestly it might not be a deal-killer for me depending on the person and teachings I see going on.


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  • I wouldn't expect more than an AA/AS from a daycare teacher and that's stretching it.  I think there is some sort of certificate requirement here in Virginia that is the minimum.
  • I think it would depend on 1) the cost of the center and 2) the specific teacher.  I can think of one example of a teacher who I know doesn't have a degree and is AMAZING.  I can also think of some with degrees who suck.  So in general, it might bother me but I could be convinced otherwise if the person was really good.
  • No degree because they are 20 and work at a preschool because squeee they love baybeees? Problem.

    No degree but have been teaching for 15 years and you are otherwise happy with their curriculum and teaching style? I would not have a problem with.

    I don't mean to offend any teachers, but on some level, especially for very young kids, I think you either just "get it" or you don't. A degree won't make someone a great teacher, nor will lack of a degree mean they can't be a great one. It would depend on their experience, curriculum, personality, etc.

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  • I'm kind of astounded by the responses in this post.  Research continually proves the quality of care provided is directly related to teacher training and education.  Yes, it's pitiful that in this country you can't make a living wage as a child care provider, meaning that there is very little incentive for a teacher to work toward a degree, but that doesn't make it unimportant.

    To be a good early childhood teacher you do need an education.  High-quality annual training can be a good starting point, but, again, research shows that the highest quality of care and education is provided by teachers with formal degrees.

    Sorry to get on my soap box, but this is what I do for a living (training child care providers) and I get frustrated a lot of the time because people - parents - don't value the education that I spend all my time encouraging providers to get.

    And a degree for an infant-toddler teacher is just as important as one for a preschool teacher.  Or a kindergarten teacher, for that matter.

    To answer the OP: it would bother me if the center is advertising degreed/credentialed teachers and then not hiring them.  However, I know how hard it can be to find quality care, so it wouldn't necessarily be a 100% deal breaker for me.  I'd talk to the director to get more information about their policies before I made any decisions.

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    imagemabenner1:
    If I was happy with the curriculum, it wouldn't bother me. I can't imagine someone with a 4 year degree working for a daycare-they don't make very much money.

    This.

    Absolutely. I was the only teacher at our daycare with a degree and the only reason I was fine making such little money is because I was in grad school at the time.

    Also, my degree didn't do squat to help me be a good teacher. I learned all my skills on the job, not in the classroom.

    This!  I've taught elementary for 8 years and everything that I learned I learned "in the field."  I've also known a ton of excellent and dedicated teachers that never had a credential (because they've been teaching that long where it wasn't required decades ago) and watched as No Child Left Behind took away their jobs because they weren't credentialed.  I also know teachers who are credential and full of crap.

    Let me also add that although I think teachers should also continue to educate themselves and teachers without degrees should be encouraged to continue their education, your situation wouldn't be a dealbreaker for me.  

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  • I have never heard of a caycare where the actual workers/teachers had university degrees. The daycares usually have ECE workers which is a college course. (2 year diploma) They are called teachers but aren't actually teachers in the sense that they haven't been to university for a post-grad degree in teaching.

    IT wouldn't bug me at all because a diploma in ECE would be enough and even someone with experience without their ECE diploma can do an amazing job caring for children.

    If their teacher in school did not have a degree I would be concened.

    EDIT I would like to say the daycare directors I have known have usually gone to university for their BA.

    Some of the best child care workers I have known do not have a degree or diploma at all while some of the worst have plenty of education.

  • Daycare no (but we don't use daycare; my MIL, who is retired, watches LO until she starts pre K).

    Pre-K, absolutely.  At the schools we are looking at for LO, all of the Pre-K teachers have a BA at minimum.

    First, teaching small children is a profession, and a teacher should have professional training in early childhood development.  Second, it isn't just about the professional training, it is also about my child spending all day with other educated people.  It's about manners, expectations, priorities, worldview, etc, that come from being a college educated person, whether that degree is in education or not.

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    imagemabenner1:
    If I was happy with the curriculum, it wouldn't bother me. I can't imagine someone with a 4 year degree working for a daycare-they don't make very much money.

    This.

    I have my BS in Eary Childhood Education and have worked at a daycare since I graduated. Teaching jobs are nearly impossible to come by, so there are quite a few of us with 4-year degrees working there. Personally, I would want my child's preschool teacher to have at least a 2-year degree in education.

    And yes, we get paid terribly. 

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  • I would never expect a daycare to have teachers with degrees.   They simply don't pay enough to make it worthwhile for someone who went to college for four years.  I have a BS in elementary education and early education.  There is no way I could live on a daycare salary, even a nice place.  However, I probably wouldn't send my four year old to a program where the teachers did not have a degree.  I would look for a new place for the four year old program if I were you.  In our state, we are lucky because PreK is a state-wide program available to every student through the public school system.  It's pretty much widely accepted that all children will attend, although not mandatory.  So, it's a sure thing that my child will be in a school with state certified teachers.  I would switch if I were you when she enters the four year old program.  It wouldn't concern me at age 3 though.

     

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    I'm kind of astounded by the responses in this post.  Research continually proves the quality of care provided is directly related to teacher training and education.  Yes, it's pitiful that in this country you can't make a living wage as a child care provider, meaning that there is very little incentive for a teacher to work toward a degree, but that doesn't make it unimportant.

    To be a good early childhood teacher you do need an education.  High-quality annual training can be a good starting point, but, again, research shows that the highest quality of care and education is provided by teachers with formal degrees.

    Sorry to get on my soap box, but this is what I do for a living (training child care providers) and I get frustrated a lot of the time because people - parents - don't value the education that I spend all my time encouraging providers to get.

    And a degree for an infant-toddler teacher is just as important as one for a preschool teacher.  Or a kindergarten teacher, for that matter.

    To answer the OP: it would bother me if the center is advertising degreed/credentialed teachers and then not hiring them.  However, I know how hard it can be to find quality care, so it wouldn't necessarily be a 100% deal breaker for me.  I'd talk to the director to get more information about their policies before I made any decisions.

    I'm curious- what degree would an infant-toddler teacher need? I have an early childhood education degree---but I'm an elementary teacher. What degree would cater to infant-toddler? 

  • imagesuperned:

    I'm kind of astounded by the responses in this post.  Research continually proves the quality of care provided is directly related to teacher training and education.  Yes, it's pitiful that in this country you can't make a living wage as a child care provider, meaning that there is very little incentive for a teacher to work toward a degree, but that doesn't make it unimportant.

    To be a good early childhood teacher you do need an education.  High-quality annual training can be a good starting point, but, again, research shows that the highest quality of care and education is provided by teachers with formal degrees.

    Sorry to get on my soap box, but this is what I do for a living (training child care providers) and I get frustrated a lot of the time because people - parents - don't value the education that I spend all my time encouraging providers to get.

    And a degree for an infant-toddler teacher is just as important as one for a preschool teacher.  Or a kindergarten teacher, for that matter.

    To answer the OP: it would bother me if the center is advertising degreed/credentialed teachers and then not hiring them.  However, I know how hard it can be to find quality care, so it wouldn't necessarily be a 100% deal breaker for me.  I'd talk to the director to get more information about their policies before I made any decisions.

    I'm curious- what degree would an infant-toddler teacher need? I have an early childhood education degree---but I'm an elementary teacher. What degree would cater to infant-toddler? 

  • In your situation, you already seem pretty happy with the school and curriculum, so the degree situation alone wouldn't be a deal breaker for me.  However, I do think it's important for preschool teachers to have degrees, and DH and I did select a preschool for DD where all the teachers have BAs.  I'm an elementary teacher, and while I agree a lot of what I know is learned in the classroom, as opposed to my degree classes, I also think an education background and continued education is important regardless of the age being taught.    
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    imagesuperned:

    I'm kind of astounded by the responses in this post.  Research continually proves the quality of care provided is directly related to teacher training and education.  Yes, it's pitiful that in this country you can't make a living wage as a child care provider, meaning that there is very little incentive for a teacher to work toward a degree, but that doesn't make it unimportant.

    To be a good early childhood teacher you do need an education.  High-quality annual training can be a good starting point, but, again, research shows that the highest quality of care and education is provided by teachers with formal degrees.

    Sorry to get on my soap box, but this is what I do for a living (training child care providers) and I get frustrated a lot of the time because people - parents - don't value the education that I spend all my time encouraging providers to get.

    And a degree for an infant-toddler teacher is just as important as one for a preschool teacher.  Or a kindergarten teacher, for that matter.

    To answer the OP: it would bother me if the center is advertising degreed/credentialed teachers and then not hiring them.  However, I know how hard it can be to find quality care, so it wouldn't necessarily be a 100% deal breaker for me.  I'd talk to the director to get more information about their policies before I made any decisions.

    I'm curious- what degree would an infant-toddler teacher need? I have an early childhood education degree---but I'm an elementary teacher. What degree would cater to infant-toddler? 

    Yes, I'm curious as well.  What degrees do infant/toddler teachers need?  I'm just not buying it. 

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  • My center's teachers primarily don't have BA's but they are awesome. My kids are thriving, there is little staff turnover, and the teachers are patient and kind. The curriculum is still great. They coordinate very closely with local schools and staff from the local elementary school told us that they are impressed by the kids who come to them from the center. My oldest daughter entered kindergarten well prepared and excelled. She was reading to her class mid-way through the year.  Who knows. Maybe she would have been doing that any way and it's one of the areas that comes naturally to her but her non-BA'd teachers certainly didn't hold her back!  Ultimately, I think there are other factors to consider as well.
  • imageRoxyLynn:
    Honestly, that's not a dealbreaker for me.  I'm surprised, to be honest, that so many 4-year college graduates are willing to work for daycare wages.  As long as the care provider has safety training and is good with the kids, I'm fine.

    this. as long as they can teach the curriculum, i'm more concerned about their attitude/disposition and how they interact with the children at this stage.

  • imagemabenner1:
    If I was happy with the curriculum, it wouldn't bother me. I can't imagine someone with a 4 year degree working for a daycare-they don't make very much money.

    This exactly. They do not make much money to my knowledge.

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  • I like the lead teacher to at least have an early childhood education.  I switched DD from her montessori school to the school district PS last year b/c it was becoming apparent that, while the montessori teachers were trained in montessori, they were not early childhood educated.  There was a bit of a gap there in how they guided kids with socialization and DD really needed that help.  She did much better in a classroom where the lead teacher had a BA in education. I don't think the two TA's had more than an AA in early childhood ed, but they did fine because they were under the direction of the lead teacher.  It was also nice that the lead teacher has support, CE, etc. from the school district. 
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  • I haven't reviewed all the replies but here is my take. Ds2 has been at his center since he was an infant. The only "teachers" with a degree is the 4yr old teacher. she is certified. I do believe my ds has some learning disablities that were not picked up on in the 3 yr old room. His 4yr old teacher worked with his problems and found a way to teach him. His 3's teacher was very nice and experienced. I believe though that his 4 yr old teacher's education gave her the basis of how to teach him. 

    That being said I don't believe a degree makes you a good teacher. My dd is at the same daycare because they are loving caretakers. But we will likely move her when she is 3.

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  • I have three degrees, including a doctorate, and wouldn't know the first thing about early childhood development/education.  So no it wouldn't bother me. I dont correlate just having any college degree with being a better educator.  My chemistry degree isn't going to help me deal with toddlers.  
  • When I worked in the office at a daycare our Pre-k lead teachers had a degree. The assistants usually did not have a degree or they were in the process of going to school. There are still certain requirements and classes they have to take. I would not be turned off by this as long as there was some kind of continuing education.
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    imagesuperned:

    I'm kind of astounded by the responses in this post.  Research continually proves the quality of care provided is directly related to teacher training and education.  Yes, it's pitiful that in this country you can't make a living wage as a child care provider, meaning that there is very little incentive for a teacher to work toward a degree, but that doesn't make it unimportant.

    To be a good early childhood teacher you do need an education.  High-quality annual training can be a good starting point, but, again, research shows that the highest quality of care and education is provided by teachers with formal degrees.

    Sorry to get on my soap box, but this is what I do for a living (training child care providers) and I get frustrated a lot of the time because people - parents - don't value the education that I spend all my time encouraging providers to get.

    And a degree for an infant-toddler teacher is just as important as one for a preschool teacher.  Or a kindergarten teacher, for that matter.

    To answer the OP: it would bother me if the center is advertising degreed/credentialed teachers and then not hiring them.  However, I know how hard it can be to find quality care, so it wouldn't necessarily be a 100% deal breaker for me.  I'd talk to the director to get more information about their policies before I made any decisions.

    I'm curious- what degree would an infant-toddler teacher need? I have an early childhood education degree---but I'm an elementary teacher. What degree would cater to infant-toddler? 

    Yes, I'm curious as well.  What degrees do infant/toddler teachers need?  I'm just not buying it. 

    I have to chime in here also...I think that this pp was not saying that all teachers must have a degree or something but that she was surprised at how everyone in the thread was discounting education as being important or relevant. It is a bit shocking to me as well, since as pp mentioned, I believe there are quite a number of studies out there about effectiveness, etc of more highly trained teachers. That doesn't mean a degree= better teacher, it means that a degree is a tool that can (and in many cases does) help someone to be a more effective teacher. And I also don't think she was saying that a degree in chemistry = good teacher. In the infant toddler room for example, the degree doesnt have to be in early childhood education, it could be in human development, a general health studies related field, family studies, etc etc etc etc. There are so many things to to study that are relevant to kids & families.

    Also, to those who don't think their degree taught them 'anything' and they learned it all on the job- I would be very surprised if that is true. What a degree (in anything) often teaches you is critical thinking, provides experiences in the classroom & in practicum areas where you get to practice in a safe environment, you learn about policies, guidelines, recommendations & how they are developed & applied to children & education, about a wide variety of approaches & theories & how/when they work or don't work and with whom, communication skills & approaches, conflict resolution, understanding some management skills or concepts, a little bit about budgets or program planning, the list goes on & on--- even if you don't USE all these things every day necessarily, you still have thinking & assessing & planning skills that you have gained from those educational experiences.

    A pp mentioned that she felt some things may have been missed in her child- I think this is also very important to keep in mind- formal training about developmental milestones to look out for, some of the major delays or disorders, and other similar concerns or issues is very important in the infant/toddler room IMO.  Can you learn that on the job, of course. But would it be EVEN BETTER for someone to walk in the door with some of that basic knowledge? How can you argue that?

    I work in nursing and it has been proven in a number of studies that a Bachelor's degree improves patient safety & other outcomes and therefore there is a strong movement toward AA/AS degree nurses completing their BSN. Does this mean they were not a good nurse beforehand or that a new BSN nurse is 'better' than a 20 yr experienced AA/AS degree nurse? Of course not, but it is well regarded to enhance the skills & thinking of the nurse. I don't see much of a difference in education, personally.

    And I'll step off my soapbox now too :). It is not a dealbreaker for me, but I admit at our first DC I was very happy to find that every room had a teacher with a BS/BA in it.

     

  • As a special education teacher, I would say that YES it would be a deal breaker for me. We have already chosen to send DD to a preschool that is associated with our local private school and the teachers all have numerous trainings in early childhood development and a degree related to family/children. The director has a Masters in ECE. I think that is is very important to have someone in the education or child development field that is able to create activities to fit each child's needs and would be able to identify children that are not showing progress in certain areas (social skills, fine motor skills, gross motor skills, speech development, etc) and report it back to the parent. Like a PP said, I believe and correct me if I'm wrong here, her child had some problems that were not seen in the 3s room but were spotted in the 4s room. To me, that would be a problem. I know some issues may not have been around until the child was a year older but if the person is not trained or hasn't worked with children very long to know what to be looking for, then they should not be working with children that young. Education is very important to my family and I would not pay someone to teach my child, no matter how young my child may be, if they did not have the proper degree and expertise to do so. 
  • The first thing I always ask is what is their education. We researched the school on the military base for our daughter, and the director was very pissy after I asked her. She didn't even have a two year degree, and then was being a smarty pants to me for asking a question, and asking it kindly. She wasn't fooling anyone. lol Then she had the nerve to ask me my education just bc I'm married to an E5. Wrong idea on her part. I just believe that they should have an education, and be able to spell, and teach my child correctly about certain subjects. There are plenty of unemployed people with Childcare Education BA/BS degrees, that would love to have that job. Problem is, you have to pay them more, and then the school loses money. Oh well.
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    imagelaurakaz13:
    imagestdldb29:
    imagesuperned:

    I'm kind of astounded by the responses in this post.  Research continually proves the quality of care provided is directly related to teacher training and education.  Yes, it's pitiful that in this country you can't make a living wage as a child care provider, meaning that there is very little incentive for a teacher to work toward a degree, but that doesn't make it unimportant.

    To be a good early childhood teacher you do need an education.  High-quality annual training can be a good starting point, but, again, research shows that the highest quality of care and education is provided by teachers with formal degrees.

    Sorry to get on my soap box, but this is what I do for a living (training child care providers) and I get frustrated a lot of the time because people - parents - don't value the education that I spend all my time encouraging providers to get.

    And a degree for an infant-toddler teacher is just as important as one for a preschool teacher.  Or a kindergarten teacher, for that matter.

    To answer the OP: it would bother me if the center is advertising degreed/credentialed teachers and then not hiring them.  However, I know how hard it can be to find quality care, so it wouldn't necessarily be a 100% deal breaker for me.  I'd talk to the director to get more information about their policies before I made any decisions.

    I'm curious- what degree would an infant-toddler teacher need? I have an early childhood education degree---but I'm an elementary teacher. What degree would cater to infant-toddler? 

    Yes, I'm curious as well.  What degrees do infant/toddler teachers need?  I'm just not buying it. 

    I have to chime in here also...I think that this pp was not saying that all teachers must have a degree or something but that she was surprised at how everyone in the thread was discounting education as being important or relevant. It is a bit shocking to me as well, since as pp mentioned, I believe there are quite a number of studies out there about effectiveness, etc of more highly trained teachers. That doesn't mean a degree= better teacher, it means that a degree is a tool that can (and in many cases does) help someone to be a more effective teacher. And I also don't think she was saying that a degree in chemistry = good teacher. In the infant toddler room for example, the degree doesnt have to be in early childhood education, it could be in human development, a general health studies related field, family studies, etc etc etc etc. There are so many things to to study that are relevant to kids & families.

    Also, to those who don't think their degree taught them 'anything' and they learned it all on the job- I would be very surprised if that is true. What a degree (in anything) often teaches you is critical thinking, provides experiences in the classroom & in practicum areas where you get to practice in a safe environment, you learn about policies, guidelines, recommendations & how they are developed & applied to children & education, about a wide variety of approaches & theories & how/when they work or don't work and with whom, communication skills & approaches, conflict resolution, understanding some management skills or concepts, a little bit about budgets or program planning, the list goes on & on--- even if you don't USE all these things every day necessarily, you still have thinking & assessing & planning skills that you have gained from those educational experiences.

    A pp mentioned that she felt some things may have been missed in her child- I think this is also very important to keep in mind- formal training about developmental milestones to look out for, some of the major delays or disorders, and other similar concerns or issues is very important in the infant/toddler room IMO.  Can you learn that on the job, of course. But would it be EVEN BETTER for someone to walk in the door with some of that basic knowledge? How can you argue that?

    I work in nursing and it has been proven in a number of studies that a Bachelor's degree improves patient safety & other outcomes and therefore there is a strong movement toward AA/AS degree nurses completing their BSN. Does this mean they were not a good nurse beforehand or that a new BSN nurse is 'better' than a 20 yr experienced AA/AS degree nurse? Of course not, but it is well regarded to enhance the skills & thinking of the nurse. I don't see much of a difference in education, personally.

    And I'll step off my soapbox now too :). It is not a dealbreaker for me, but I admit at our first DC I was very happy to find that every room had a teacher with a BS/BA in it.

     

     

    The original poster started by saying that originally the three teachers had a BS In a science, an associates degree with an unknown major and a teacher with many years experience and no degree.  She was happy with this scenario but the three left and were replaced by teachers with no post high school education.  So it seemed as if she was happy for them just to have A college degree of any kind.  So yes my answer remains the same, not just any college degree with prepare you to teach children.  If it did then then I would expect school districts to just require a bachelors degree to become a teacher.  Like any other job it requires skills and like isaid I don't think my chemistry degree gave me those skills unless the kids want to learn about the periodic table.  It wouldn't/doesn't bother me, I am more concerned with how effective the individual teacher is than their education. 

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