My first "would you be mad" post....

Margaret Lemon · August 2012

I can already guess the answer, so allow me to vent.

First, we love our DC and so does LO. But, they just gave my 9 month old a brownie for afternoon snack!

LO just moved from the infant room. She is the youngest baby in the room(age range to about 15 months). She rejected baby food and went to regular food over a month ago. She can eat like a champ now. A few older kids are still on baby food so maybe they think she is older?

The menu is pretty good. Lots of fresh fruit, fish tacos, veggies, etc. snack is usually fruit and cheese, yogurt, cottage cheese. Once a week the snack is cookie/brownie. This morning, I did not look at the menu to say please sub out(which they will do). I have said to not give cookies.

I know they will give another option if I ask, but geez? Brownies for 9 month olds? Seems crazy to me. I guess I am mad at myself too since I didn't pay attention this morning. I will be very clear in the future. Thanks for listening.

AZ123 · August 2012

I personally wouldn't give chocolate or anything caffeine related to a baby in my care but that's just because I wouldn't want to deter away from sleeping babies....

I've noticed at our daycare that they'll do special treats like cupcakes for birthdays and the babies don't need it - it is actually for the workers. The workers really have a sweet tooth.

For sure don't say anything. It was a one time thing and just make a note on her sheet no cookies AND no brownies.

mrsseguin · August 2012

While a brownie isn't a snack I would regularly give a 9 month old, I wouldn't be upset about it. I would just make sure to check the menu and ask not to give XYZ to LO if that's what you normally do.

stdldb29 · August 2012

Nope, since you missed it on the calender, I would think it isn't their fault at all.

honkytonk_kid · August 2012

I wouldn't like a brownie to be a 9 month old's snack (umm, brownies are for Mama's snack), but if you can ask them to sub out and you didn't, there's really no reason to be mad at DCP.

It sounds like you're just irritated about it, so vent away

Beckabooney · August 2012

I'm pretty sure I would have been annoyed as well. Again, vent away, that's what we are here for!

katie_cj · August 2012

I'd be annoyed. With myself and with them.

But unless it was a repeat offense, I would just mention it and let it go.

I would probably look over the menus and veto all the things you don't want her to eat.

laurakaz13 · August 2012

They do birthday cake for each kid on their birthdays at DD's daycare. I don't care. It's a total of 8 times a year in class of 8.

I would not worry about the brownie. It's not like they're giving sweets everyday. Relax!!!

erbear · August 2012

mrsseguin:
While a brownie isn't a snack I would regularly give a 9 month old, I wouldn't be upset about it. I would just make sure to check the menu and ask not to give XYZ to LO if that's what you normally do.

Same. It's not a big deal.

cecilyandgautam · August 2012

Um, which parents are OK with cookies & brownies for their 9-15 month olds? Perhaps they exist out there somewhere, but none of the parents I know would say, "sure baby gets a cookie every Wednesday, no biggie!"

Refined sugar & salty snacks are really harsh on young organs and totally unnecessary. I wouldn't let my baby eat that unless she was starving and there was no other food (or me since we BF) within a 20 minute drive.

duchess0727 · August 2012

I don't think a brownie is an acceptable DC snack for any age unless it's a birthday. Most definitely not for children under the age of 1 because of allergies. I would definitely say something.

jlaOK · August 2012

While not my favorite, the afternoon snack at DS's daycare is sometimes cookies. It doesn't bother me too much.

It is your responsibility to look at the menu and send other options. You can't be too mad at them about it if you hadn't opted out of brownies.

Cooper81 · August 2012

Does your LO have a cubby space, or an area near their changing station where you can leave a permanent note (ie please subtitute fruit for any cookies/brownies/cakes)? I know at the changing station at LO's DC, each child has their own bin that holds diapers, wipes, creams, and there are permanent notes about dietary restrictions, meds, etc for specific kids. I don't mind a little treat for a special occassion, like the holidays, but once a week, I wouldn't be ok with either. I wouldn't be mad in this instance because without a constant reminder that isn't something a DC teacher should be expected to remember, an allergy to foods yes, but just your preference no.

seahorse102410 · August 2012

She's 9 months old! Usually I wouldn't care but I don't even think mine was eating baby cereal yet at 9 months?!

sooner1981 · August 2012

Wouldn't bother me. We buy organic veggies, grass-fed beef, etc. for ourselves and our DD (almost 6 months old), but still my DH (who is a pediatrician) has given her tastes/licks of frosting, Cool Ranch Doritos (last night!), buttered bread, etc. I want my kiddo to have the same approach to food that I do--mostly healthy choices, with occassional treats thrown in. Those treats shouldn't be ritualized or only on a certain day or anything else that somehow makes them seem more important than they really are. You should just strive for about 80-90% healthy food, and the rest can be whatever you want. If it makes you feel better, BM or formula has about as much sugar as 7UP in it--so a brownie really isn't that different as far as sugar goes (although of course it doesn't have protein, antibodies, etc.) Really salty foods are different because baby kidneys aren't really adapted to handle tons of salt yet--but sugar is, IMO, no big deal for the occassional treat/snack/oops I can't believe my DC gave my kiddo that. I think very strict no sugar/no treats/no anything mentality sets kids up for a lifetime of food woes. I was a college athlete and look at my friends who were on my team, and we all grew up eating goldfish for snacks and birthday cake at birthday parties (but lots of fruits/veggies at most lunches and dinners).

itsmevkb · August 2012

cecilyandgautam:

Um, which parents are OK with cookies & brownies for their 9-15 month olds? Perhaps they exist out there somewhere, but none of the parents I know would say, "sure baby gets a cookie every Wednesday, no biggie!"

Refined sugar & salty snacks are really harsh on young organs and totally unnecessary. I wouldn't let my baby eat that unless she was starving and there was no other food (or me since we BF) within a 20 minute drive.

Yea, I'm that parent that would be fine with it. It's not as though that was the entire meal or even something they are being given daily. Apparently, the treat is a once a week thing. Big deal. And, she can now tell them no sweets at all and cover cookies, brownies, cake, etc.

I let my son have cake on his first birthday. Gasp!

Fianschneid · August 2012

I agree that it is pretty clear that a 9 month old shouldn't have a brownie but I'd chalk it up to my mistake for not reviewing the menu this time and be more specific about substitutions. Yes, it stands to reason that if you don't want your LO to have cookies, you don't want brownies, either, but clearly, they don't get it.

It's annoying that you have to check in but review the menu every day and ask for the available substituion.

mick64 · August 2012

sooner1981:
Wouldn't bother me. We buy organic veggies, grass-fed beef, etc. for ourselves and our DD (almost 6 months old), but still my DH (who is a pediatrician) has given her tastes/licks of frosting, Cool Ranch Doritos (last night!), buttered bread, etc. I want my kiddo to have the same approach to food that I do--mostly healthy choices, with occassional treats thrown in. Those treats shouldn't be ritualized or only on a certain day or anything else that somehow makes them seem more important than they really are. You should just strive for about 80-90% healthy food, and the rest can be whatever you want. If it makes you feel better, BM or formula has about as much sugar as 7UP in it--so a brownie really isn't that different as far as sugar goes (although of course it doesn't have protein, antibodies, etc.) Really salty foods are different because baby kidneys aren't really adapted to handle tons of salt yet--but sugar is, IMO, no big deal for the occassional treat/snack/oops I can't believe my DC gave my kiddo that. I think very strict no sugar/no treats/no anything mentality sets kids up for a lifetime of food woes. I was a college athlete and look at my friends who were on my team, and we all grew up eating goldfish for snacks and birthday cake at birthday parties (but lots of fruits/veggies at most lunches and dinners).

Comparing sugar in BM to the sugar in 7up is ridiculous. So not the same thing. Even comparing it to formula is a stretch, but there's a huge difference between the natural sugars found in BM (sugars which a baby's body needs) and high fructose corn syrup in soda. Making that ridiculous comparison really weakens the rest of your argument because it's hard to take you seriously.

I tend to agree with you about being relaxed about less healthy foods, but I don't see why a 9 month old needs exposure to any of those things. They aren't even aware that those are available options, so it's not like they have a sense of being deprived or can comprehend that their diet is being "restricted". DS gets more treats/unhealthy foods now that he is aware that they are available, and I think that's part of him learning how to handle all foods in a healthy way. But before age 1, no baby needs even tastes of those foods to develop a healthy relationship with food. (And by the way, I'm a dietitian)

sooner1981 · August 2012

mick64:

sooner1981:
Wouldn't bother me. We buy organic veggies, grass-fed beef, etc. for ourselves and our DD (almost 6 months old), but still my DH (who is a pediatrician) has given her tastes/licks of frosting, Cool Ranch Doritos (last night!), buttered bread, etc. I want my kiddo to have the same approach to food that I do--mostly healthy choices, with occassional treats thrown in. Those treats shouldn't be ritualized or only on a certain day or anything else that somehow makes them seem more important than they really are. You should just strive for about 80-90% healthy food, and the rest can be whatever you want. If it makes you feel better, BM or formula has about as much sugar as 7UP in it--so a brownie really isn't that different as far as sugar goes (although of course it doesn't have protein, antibodies, etc.) Really salty foods are different because baby kidneys aren't really adapted to handle tons of salt yet--but sugar is, IMO, no big deal for the occassional treat/snack/oops I can't believe my DC gave my kiddo that. I think very strict no sugar/no treats/no anything mentality sets kids up for a lifetime of food woes. I was a college athlete and look at my friends who were on my team, and we all grew up eating goldfish for snacks and birthday cake at birthday parties (but lots of fruits/veggies at most lunches and dinners).

Comparing sugar in BM to the sugar in 7up is ridiculous. So not the same thing. Even comparing it to formula is a stretch, but there's a huge difference between the natural sugars found in BM (sugars which a baby's body needs) and high fructose corn syrup in soda. Making that ridiculous comparison really weakens the rest of your argument because it's hard to take you seriously.

I tend to agree with you about being relaxed about less healthy foods, but I don't see why a 9 month old needs exposure to any of those things. They aren't even aware that those are available options, so it's not like they have a sense of being deprived or can comprehend that their diet is being "restricted". DS gets more treats/unhealthy foods now that he is aware that they are available, and I think that's part of him learning how to handle all foods in a healthy way. But before age 1, no baby needs even tastes of those foods to develop a healthy relationship with food. (And by the way, I'm a dietitian)

I hate to disagree with you, but it is not ridiculous. There really aren't any well-documented studies showing a huge difference between HFCS and Sugar--just a lot of super media hype. But to appease you, I will state that there is as much sugar in BM as in a similar amount of a cane sugar soda. The point I was trying to make is that our kiddos are used to sweet tasting food, so a brownie is not going cause their "young organs" too much in the way of distress from the sugar aspect. I agree that you shouldn't shove nutritionally-deficient food down the gullets of small children, but I don't think a one-time brownie (which I could ask the DC to not provide in the future) is the hill I would die on. Kids are going to be exposed to less than ideal nutrition from time to time, and they will (at some point in their development) get a warped view of healthy eating if all the kids in their class are eating one thing and they have a doctor's note so that they can eat a completely different menu that is "healthier." We will only get a few years where we can totally control what is going into our kids mouths--and then they will have lots of opportunities to eat in "free for all" situations without us. I would rather have a relaxed attitude about food, but serve great, healthy meals when my kiddo is with me, so that they understand that the building blocks of a healthy diet are the stuff we usually eat, but the occassional sweet treat isn't a big deal either. Just a difference in opinion--that is all!

mick64 · August 2012

sooner1981:
mick64:

sooner1981:
Wouldn't bother me. We buy organic veggies, grass-fed beef, etc. for ourselves and our DD (almost 6 months old), but still my DH (who is a pediatrician) has given her tastes/licks of frosting, Cool Ranch Doritos (last night!), buttered bread, etc. I want my kiddo to have the same approach to food that I do--mostly healthy choices, with occassional treats thrown in. Those treats shouldn't be ritualized or only on a certain day or anything else that somehow makes them seem more important than they really are. You should just strive for about 80-90% healthy food, and the rest can be whatever you want. If it makes you feel better, BM or formula has about as much sugar as 7UP in it--so a brownie really isn't that different as far as sugar goes (although of course it doesn't have protein, antibodies, etc.) Really salty foods are different because baby kidneys aren't really adapted to handle tons of salt yet--but sugar is, IMO, no big deal for the occassional treat/snack/oops I can't believe my DC gave my kiddo that. I think very strict no sugar/no treats/no anything mentality sets kids up for a lifetime of food woes. I was a college athlete and look at my friends who were on my team, and we all grew up eating goldfish for snacks and birthday cake at birthday parties (but lots of fruits/veggies at most lunches and dinners).

Comparing sugar in BM to the sugar in 7up is ridiculous. So not the same thing. Even comparing it to formula is a stretch, but there's a huge difference between the natural sugars found in BM (sugars which a baby's body needs) and high fructose corn syrup in soda. Making that ridiculous comparison really weakens the rest of your argument because it's hard to take you seriously.

I tend to agree with you about being relaxed about less healthy foods, but I don't see why a 9 month old needs exposure to any of those things. They aren't even aware that those are available options, so it's not like they have a sense of being deprived or can comprehend that their diet is being "restricted". DS gets more treats/unhealthy foods now that he is aware that they are available, and I think that's part of him learning how to handle all foods in a healthy way. But before age 1, no baby needs even tastes of those foods to develop a healthy relationship with food. (And by the way, I'm a dietitian)

I hate to disagree with you, but it is not ridiculous. There really aren't any well-documented studies showing a huge difference between HFCS and Sugar--just a lot of super media hype. But to appease you, I will state that there is as much sugar in BM as in a similar amount of a cane sugar soda. The point I was trying to make is that our kiddos are used to sweet tasting food, so a brownie is not going cause their "young organs" too much in the way of distress from the sugar aspect. I agree that you shouldn't shove nutritionally-deficient food down the gullets of small children, but I don't think a one-time brownie (which I could ask the DC to not provide in the future) is the hill I would die on. Kids are going to be exposed to less than ideal nutrition from time to time, and they will (at some point in their development) get a warped view of healthy eating if all the kids in their class are eating one thing and they have a doctor's note so that they can eat a completely different menu that is "healthier." We will only get a few years where we can totally control what is going into our kids mouths--and then they will have lots of opportunities to eat in "free for all" situations without us. I would rather have a relaxed attitude about food, but serve great, healthy meals when my kiddo is with me, so that they understand that the building blocks of a healthy diet are the stuff we usually eat, but the occassional sweet treat isn't a big deal either. Just a difference in opinion--that is all!

You're talking about comparing HFCS to sucrose, and you're right, there's not much difference. But there is a huge difference between sugar (fructose, lactose, glucose, what have you) found in it's natural state, within a food and a refined added sugar. How that sugar is packaged makes a big difference in the total metabolic response within the body. Whole foods vs processed foods. This is why we don't see studies showing that eating a lot of fruit is harmful, despite the fact that those people are consuming a high amount of "sugar." Comparing sugar in breast milk to a cane sugar sweetened soda is just a ridiculous as comparing it to HFCS in soda.

I would prefer to have the DC not serve brownies at all to babies that young so the mom doesn't have to deliberate opt out and make her kid eat something different. I just don't see why those foods are necessary for babies. It's so important to develop their tastes for healthy foods at that age so that when they get older and have free choice, they will want to eat healthy foods.

Angela814 · August 2012

I would be annoyed. Obviously if a cookie isn't acceptable, a brownie isn't either. Common sense?

Angela814 · August 2012

duchess0727:
I don't think a brownie is an acceptable DC snack for any age unless it's a birthday. Most definitely not for children under the age of 1 because of allergies. I would definitely say something.

I agree with this too!

Margaret Lemon · August 2012

mainerocks:
JellyBellyStar:
Yes, you should of opted out. However, doesn't common sense in this case dictate not to give a 9 month old a brownie? I'd be annoyed also.
This!

This was my thought. Not the end of the world, but she is only 9 months old!

Anyway, I brought in something to sub out, stated again that I really don't want her to have cookies/brownies. In the future, an occasional treat will be fine, just not yet. I will just be sure to check the menu, but I think they seem to get it now.

Thanks for all the comments.

carig63 · August 2012

One brownie will not kill your child. Please take a chill pill.

Lena122 · August 2012

JellyBellyStar:
Yes, you should of opted out. However, doesn't common sense in this case dictate not to give a 9 month old a brownie? I'd be annoyed also.

Agreed. A parent of an infant shouldn't even have to consider that their DCP might give their baby sweets. A tiny bit of frosting on your finger, I can understand, but a whole brownie once a week? I'd be very upset about this.

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