Angel0423 RE:Tubes, ectopic pregnancies, and more!

Shayliz · June 2012

I didn't want to take up other people sharing their stories in the other thread.

I'm really glad you're just having a baby and not caring for someone having one because you are incorrect. You CAN release an egg that winds up in the other tube. You do understand that your tube is not connected to your ovaries, correct? The tubes float near the ovaries and during ovulation, there are little bits that send out "signals" to draw the egg to it.. basically the tube tries to seduce the egg to come inside of it.

Yes - My doctor's DID say to me that I ovulated from the left and it went down the right and how rare this is. I had nurses coming into my appointments hugging me, insanely excited, because they all know what I have been going through and feel that if this insane thing was going to happen to anyone - it deserved to happen to me. We did not ASSUME anything, I had very regular monitoring appointments and we tracked the follicular growth on both ovaries. I did not have measurable follicles on the right prior to ovulation, and did not have any corpus luteum cysts (basically the eggshell left behind after ovulation that produces progesterone and should go away by the time your period comes) on the right - everything signifying ovulation was on the left side.

From https://www.ectopic.org.uk/index.php/patients/emotional-impact/life-ectopic-pregnancy-faqs/

How can an egg get down the only tube I have when it?s produced on the other side where I have no tube?

Even when a tube has been removed it is usual to leave the ovaries alone. Both ovaries compete each month to produce an egg and usually the one that is pulling ahead in the race continues while the other one gives up (but not always ? sometimes women will ovulate from both ovaries in one cycle or twice from one ovary but these are rare events ? they do explain how we get non-identical twins so there is no disputing it can happen).

We do not fully understand the process of ovulation and we make discoveries about it all the time, most latterly that the tubes and uterus are lined with little receptor cells. It appears that at the point of ovulation these receptor cells are sent a chemical signal which literally ?switches? them on and they emit a signal that attracts a similar receptor in the egg and in the sperm to come and meet in the same place, ie the fallopian tube.

When we ovulate, although the egg is most likely to travel down the nearest tube, there is some evidence to suggest this is not always the case. At the point of ovulation some very delicate structures called the fimbriae begin to move gently creating a slight vacuum to suck the egg toward the end of the tube it is nearest to. So, if you have only one tube then there is only one set of receptors working and one set of fimbriae creating a vacuum and so the egg is much more likely to find its way to that tube, whichever ovary it is produced from.

Conservative estimates suggest that an egg produced on the tubeless side manages to descend the remaining tube around 15 to 20% of the time.

This means that rather than your fertility being halved ? your fertility is probably no different to what it was before your ectopic ? assuming fertility is the ability to produce a fertilisable egg and or quality sperm. If you can do this before ectopic you can almost certainly do it after ectopic, so rather than a reduction of fertility, it is more the case that the opportunity to conceive has been affected but not by half ? by around 30%. Or looking at it another way, it means we have around a 70% opportunity of conception with each cycle, so it?s not all bad news at all!

SO - in conclusion - you are incorrect. It is not impossible for an egg to wind up in the other tube. My right ovary did not spontaneously release eggs, my doctors did not lie to me - I have ovulated from my left ovary and the egg went through the right tube.

megemoney · June 2012

PS, I can't wait to meet the miracle baby!

this decaf life · June 2012

Your "Most Informative" badge is well deserved!

GL

LollipopsAndCrisps · June 2012

TheOtherHole · June 2012

Stick that up your vag and queeef on it.

BankerBSN · June 2012

I

Shaylex!

lycih · June 2012

you, Shay!

kelly321 · June 2012

kread8 · June 2012

Super excited that Shay is on the same BMB as me! I think I will be learning quite a bit from her the next 7 or so months

Excellent explanation, and what an amazing story!

ajetter · June 2012

jessuhmarie:
this decaf life:
Your "Most Informative" badge is well deserved!
GL
Shay knows her shiit

Agreed! I have learned a lot from you Shay. Keep on rockin' it.

Suz+Mo · June 2012

SHAY FOR THE WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cbrotz2010 · June 2012

Good luck! Definitely worthy of the most informative award!

ta78 · June 2012

That is an amazing story and I am so happy for you and your miracle baby! It also makes me realize how little I actually know about reproduction and my body. Thank you for teaching me so much.

Angel0423 · June 2012

I did not see this til now, I apologize if my challenging your conception hurt your feelings.

Shayliz · June 2012

Angel0423:
I did not see this til now, I apologize if my challenging your conception hurt your feelings.

That's all you have to say to this after going on and on and on in posts about how what I said wasn't possible by any means?

Angel0423 · June 2012

Yeah. I guess maybe I would feel differently if I had been argueing with you personally. But I feel like my back and forth was with others. I only debated their proposed scenarios because they were exactly that, scenarios as you had not been back to post so no one could confirm or deny if it were the case for you. Like I've said regardless to how it happened you are obviously pregnant and congratulations. You gave a very thorough explanation here, which many have applauded you on. I'm not sure what else you want from me... I am sorry if it upset you.

Shayliz · June 2012

Angel0423:
Yeah. I guess maybe I would feel differently if I had been argueing with you personally. But I feel like my back and forth was with others. I only debated their proposed scenarios because they were exactly that, scenarios as you had not been back to post so no one could confirm or deny if it were the case for you. Like I've said regardless to how it happened you are obviously pregnant and congratulations. You gave a very thorough explanation here, which many have applauded you on. I'm not sure what else you want from me... I am sorry if it upset you.

I thought with all your big talk in the other thread, you would argue back with me here on how I am incorrect. You didn't just reply to their scenarios, you assumed your own scenarios and experience.

Here, I'll break it down for you.

Angel0423:

What you re describing is anatomically impossible as ovaries only release an egg into their respective Fallopian tube and these tubes being on opposing sides of your uterus do not cross paths. My guess I that your right ovary spontaneously released and egg. Either way congrats to you on your pregnancy. Sorry if that came of snarky, but it just doesn't make sense.

^ Not going to stick by this being anatomically impossible and that your internet guess is I ovulated from the right?

Angel0423:

While shays doctor informed her that her opposing ovary was not ovulating at that time did he actually state that her egg migrated through the fat and tissue in her pelvic cavity and entered her opposing tube to successfully implant. I'd like to know. I take it that her explanation is her assumption as she knows her left Fallopian tube is absent/ not functional. It is far more likely that she spontaneously ovulated on the right. But whatever makes your world turn!

^again, you assuming that I ovulated on the right and am just mistaken. You wanted to know, and now I told you. And all you had to say was a condescending"sorry if you were offended"

Angel0423:
Sorry, had to get back to work so I couldn't get back to this. I see that I am the big bad wolf right now, and that's fine. But I'm just not the type of person to let someone walk around with a booger hanging from their nose or food in your teeth. What she described did not sound plausible to me and I shared my reasoning. People very commonly misunderstand medical diagnoses and I figured it's be better to have an Internet stranger correct a potential mistake than for her to be challenged by someone in real life. Shay hasn't come back to say I'm wrong, but I guess it's nice of you guys to very strongly stick up for her. If she says that her doctor says that is how she actually conceived, then hey. Fine with me. I'm not out to hurt feelings, she's obviously pregnant no matter how it happened and I congratulated her on that. For those who asked I have a bachelors in health science, minor in anatomy, and a doctorate in physical therapy. I am not an OB, nor do I claim to be.

Once more with your condescending and assumptions. Believe me, I am not offended or care what you think about my pregnancy. But I refuse to let you sit here and say that this is impossible to happen. Some people cling to the hope that their egg will go to their only open tube every month - not about to let your ignorance crush that for them.

You may have medical background - but like you said, you are not an OB, nor are you a gynecologist, nor are you a reproductive endocrinologist. I suggest you keep your "facts" to the areas you did study and admit you were incorrect here.

BankerBSN · June 2012

Actually.

Angel0423 · June 2012

Shayliz:
Angel0423:
Yeah. I guess maybe I would feel differently if I had been argueing with you personally. But I feel like my back and forth was with others. I only debated their proposed scenarios because they were exactly that, scenarios as you had not been back to post so no one could confirm or deny if it were the case for you. Like I've said regardless to how it happened you are obviously pregnant and congratulations. You gave a very thorough explanation here, which many have applauded you on. I'm not sure what else you want from me... I am sorry if it upset you.
I thought with all your big talk in the other thread, you would argue back with me here on how I am incorrect. You didn't just reply to their scenarios, you assumed your own scenarios and experience.
Here, I'll break it down for you.
Angel0423:

What you re describing is anatomically impossible as ovaries only release an egg into their respective Fallopian tube and these tubes being on opposing sides of your uterus do not cross paths. My guess I that your right ovary spontaneously released and egg. Either way congrats to you on your pregnancy. Sorry if that came of snarky, but it just doesn't make sense.
^ Not going to stick by this being anatomically impossible and that your internet guess is I ovulated from the right?

Angel0423:

While shays doctor informed her that her opposing ovary was not ovulating at that time did he actually state that her egg migrated through the fat and tissue in her pelvic cavity and entered her opposing tube to successfully implant. I'd like to know. I take it that her explanation is her assumption as she knows her left Fallopian tube is absent/ not functional. It is far more likely that she spontaneously ovulated on the right. But whatever makes your world turn!
^again, you assuming that I ovulated on the right and am just mistaken. You wanted to know, and now I told you. And all you had to say was a condescending"sorry if you were offended"

Angel0423:
Sorry, had to get back to work so I couldn't get back to this. I see that I am the big bad wolf right now, and that's fine. But I'm just not the type of person to let someone walk around with a booger hanging from their nose or food in your teeth. What she described did not sound plausible to me and I shared my reasoning. People very commonly misunderstand medical diagnoses and I figured it's be better to have an Internet stranger correct a potential mistake than for her to be challenged by someone in real life. Shay hasn't come back to say I'm wrong, but I guess it's nice of you guys to very strongly stick up for her. If she says that her doctor says that is how she actually conceived, then hey. Fine with me. I'm not out to hurt feelings, she's obviously pregnant no matter how it happened and I congratulated her on that. For those who asked I have a bachelors in health science, minor in anatomy, and a doctorate in physical therapy. I am not an OB, nor do I claim to be.
Once more with your condescending and assumptions. Believe me, I am not offended or care what you think about my pregnancy. But I refuse to let you sit here and say that this is impossible to happen. Some people cling to the hope that their egg will go to their only open tube every month - not about to let your ignorance crush that for them.
You may have medical background - but like you said, you are not an OB, nor are you a gynecologist, nor are you a reproductive endocrinologist. I suggest you keep your "facts" to the areas you did study and admit you were incorrect here.

Like I said in the other post you gave a great explanation of how this actually happened. I am not challenging you. I am not continuing to say its not possible. And I did not put my credentials out there to prove any type of point. It was just because I was asked. I am not a reproductive specialist and I respect the difficulties that you have gone through. You keep pointing out my assumptions, which I admitted were assumptions. With limited information you can only assume. My assumptions were incorrect. I am ok with that. It is my personality to challenge what (I think) is incorrect. I see our personalities clash and I apologize if you feel like I was debating your pregnancy. Just questioning the science. I meant no harm.

KNemo · June 2012

Knowledge is almost as sexy as Shay's ute, ovaries, and her miraculous, vacuuming tube!

Shayliz · June 2012

Angel0423:

Like I said in the other post you gave a great explanation of how this actually happened. I am not challenging you. I am not continuing to say its not possible. And I did not put my credentials out there to prove any type of point. It was just because I was asked. I am not a reproductive specialist and I respect the difficulties that you have gone through. You keep pointing out my assumptions, which I admitted were assumptions. With limited information you can only assume. My assumptions were incorrect. I am ok with that. It is my personality to challenge what (I think) is incorrect. I see our personalities clash and I apologize if you feel like I was debating your pregnancy. Just questioning the science. I meant no harm.

Not that I need an apology, but you do realize that starting off your apology with "I apologize if YOU feel.." is condescending, right? An apology would have been "I'm sorry I.." or "I apologize if I.."

You didn't just question the science - you made statements that were false. The statements you made about eggs ONLY going to their tube and such had nothing to do with what information I put out there, detail or no detail, you posted false information. I'm not sure what other information in my OP would have made you magically believe it - I was pretty clear with how I was monitored and we confirmed multiple times that the follicle was only on the left.

Again, I don't care if you think my right side ninja'd an egg or that my tube magically grew itself back to catch this one, whatever - I wanted to make it known that the statements you made were incorrect in relation to ovulation, follicles, and fallopian tubes and for you to admit that you were wrong.

Angel0423 · June 2012

Shayliz:
Angel0423:

Like I said in the other post you gave a great explanation of how this actually happened. I am not challenging you. I am not continuing to say its not possible. And I did not put my credentials out there to prove any type of point. It was just because I was asked. I am not a reproductive specialist and I respect the difficulties that you have gone through. You keep pointing out my assumptions, which I admitted were assumptions. With limited information you can only assume. My assumptions were incorrect. I am ok with that. It is my personality to challenge what (I think) is incorrect. I see our personalities clash and I apologize if you feel like I was debating your pregnancy. Just questioning the science. I meant no harm.
Not that I need an apology, but you do realize that starting off your apology with "I apologize if YOU feel.." is condescending, right? An apology would have been "I'm sorry I.." or "I apologize if I.."
You didn't just question the science - you made statements that were false. The statements you made about eggs ONLY going to their tube and such had nothing to do with what information I put out there, detail or no detail, you posted false information. I'm not sure what other information in my OP would have made you magically believe it - I was pretty clear with how I was monitored and we confirmed multiple times that the follicle was only on the left.
Again, I don't care if you think my right side ninja'd an egg or that my tube magically grew itself back to catch this one, whatever - I wanted to make it known that the statements you made were incorrect in relation to ovulation, follicles, and fallopian tubes and for you to admit that you were wrong.

I apologize for coming off as condescending as that was not my intent. Sorry for the wording of my apology? But I was making an attempt to apologize for what i actually felt like the issue was. I thought i made you feel like i was challenging your mircle through debate. And i wanted to clearly state that i did not intend for that to be the case. I accept your very thorough explanation, so no nijna kicking or tubal regeneration is being assumed. I obviously unknowingly made statements that were false. Not maliciously.

lucy11111 · June 2012

Holy f**k! She said sorry, LET IT GO. Some of you people are relentless.

Angel0423 · June 2012

GhostMonkey:
Angel0423:
Shayliz:
Angel0423:

Like I said in the other post you gave a great explanation of how this actually happened. I am not challenging you. I am not continuing to say its not possible. And I did not put my credentials out there to prove any type of point. It was just because I was asked. I am not a reproductive specialist and I respect the difficulties that you have gone through. You keep pointing out my assumptions, which I admitted were assumptions. With limited information you can only assume. My assumptions were incorrect. I am ok with that. It is my personality to challenge what (I think) is incorrect. I see our personalities clash and I apologize if you feel like I was debating your pregnancy. Just questioning the science. I meant no harm.
Not that I need an apology, but you do realize that starting off your apology with "I apologize if YOU feel.." is condescending, right? An apology would have been "I'm sorry I.." or "I apologize if I.."
You didn't just question the science - you made statements that were false. The statements you made about eggs ONLY going to their tube and such had nothing to do with what information I put out there, detail or no detail, you posted false information. I'm not sure what other information in my OP would have made you magically believe it - I was pretty clear with how I was monitored and we confirmed multiple times that the follicle was only on the left.
Again, I don't care if you think my right side ninja'd an egg or that my tube magically grew itself back to catch this one, whatever - I wanted to make it known that the statements you made were incorrect in relation to ovulation, follicles, and fallopian tubes and for you to admit that you were wrong.
I apologize for coming off as condescending as that was not my intent. Sorry for the wording of my apology? But I was making an attempt to apologize for what i actually felt like the issue was. I thought i made you feel like i was challenging your mircle through debate. And i wanted to clearly state that i did not intend for that to be the case. I accept your very thorough explanation, so no nijna kicking or tubal regeneration is being assumed. I obviously unknowingly made statements that were false. Not maliciously.
If you follow the word sorry with anything, it is not an apology. So you have yet to apologize.
And next time instead of assuming, look things up.

You are not allowed to say what you are sorry for when you apologize? Is this a new rule? I give up.

Angel0423 · June 2012

GhostMonkey:
lucy11111:
Holy f**k! She said sorry, LET IT GO. Some of you people are relentless.
Actually she didn't. Saying "I'm sorry you were offended" doesn't not imply she is remotely sorry or has any concept of why what she said was wrong.

Did you even read this! " I apologize for coming off as condescending as that was not my intent. Sorry for the wording of my apology? But I was making an attempt to apologize for what i actually felt like the issue was. I thought i made you feel like i was challenging your mircle through debate. And i wanted to clearly state that i did not intend for that to be the case. I accept your very thorough explanation, so no nijna kicking or tubal regeneration is being assumed. I obviously unknowingly made statements that were false. Not maliciously. "

lucy11111 · June 2012

GhostMonkey:
lucy11111:
Holy f**k! She said sorry, LET IT GO. Some of you people are relentless.
Actually she didn't. Saying "I'm sorry you were offended" doesn't not imply she is remotely sorry or has any concept of why what she said was wrong.

Point proved

OtterPop1 · June 2012

lucy11111:
GhostMonkey:
lucy11111:
Holy f**k! She said sorry, LET IT GO. Some of you people are relentless.
Actually she didn't. Saying "I'm sorry you were offended" doesn't not imply she is remotely sorry or has any concept of why what she said was wrong.

Point proved

I'm late to this and lurking.

A) Shay, you rock and I'm so excited for you!

The reason this isn't being let go is exactly as GM said. And her point needed to be made because generally people seem to really stink at apologies here on TB. "I'm sorry if...," "I'm sorry but...," I was just..." aren't apologies at all. They are a defensive move made when a poster is clearly wrong, is told repeatedly how wrong she is, but doesn't truly think she said anything she shouldn't have.

A real apology is simply this: "I was wrong. I am sorry." Voila.

landosmommy · June 2012

this decaf life:
Your "Most Informative" badge is well deserved!
GL

Yep! Love you Shay!!

MelissaRae1525 · June 2012

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jobiann · June 2012

Someone really tried to challenge someone with "most informative" award and a Turtle 3T badge? Wowza...what's wrong with this picture?

JenniatONU · June 2012

Angel0423:
..... I apologize. ......

There, I fixed it for you, Angel0423.

whittier06 · June 2012

It is an amazing story! Congrats to you OP.On the other hand, holy crap. Her apology was legit, it is over.

landosmommy · June 2012

MelissaRae1525:
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Yes???? Is that all you have to contribute?

juana110 · June 2012

I understand this is a sensative topic, but you are all mothers and mothers to be, some of you sound like bullies...aplogies can come in different ways, she acknowledged she was wrong, just let it go and everyone have a blessed day....

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Angel0423 RE:Tubes, ectopic pregnancies, and more!

How can an egg get down the only tube I have when it?s produced on the other side where I have no tube?

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