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I don't want to do IVF#4

and I don't know how to tell DH. I just don't want to do this anymore. It seems so pointless for me. I can't handle another "nothing to transfer".  I'm a realist-- at age 38.5, getting 1 or 2 eggs isn't going to result in a take home baby for me.  I've never had a 2nd line ever and I've never had an embryo that even looked decent. I don't want to feel what I felt in February again. I want to close the baby door.

TTC #1 since 8/1/10; Me:41 and BRCA1+, DH:46
DOR (FSH 24.3)/ terrible egg quality ; homozygous MTHFR c677t
5 IUI's: 2/11 to 6/11 and 1/12= BFN
OE IVF#1-4 8/11-6/12= all BFN
DE IVF#1 11/12 bad embryos= BFN
DE IVF #2 2/13 BFP/Beta hell: m/c 5w6d
CFNBC 7 months, not doing well; decided on guarantee program at RBA w/frozen DE
DE IVF #3 1/14  ET 4BB; BFP;M/C 5w1d, incomplete m/c; MVA extraction in ER 7w1d

DE FET#1 ET 3/1714; BFP, beta 1 3/27= 197, beta 2 3/31= 1586, beta 3 4/7= 13879!!
First u/s= Twins with HBs at 6w2d! We are Team Pink x 2!!

K & K born 11/21/14 at 38wks 4 days

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Re: I don't want to do IVF#4

  • McIrish, I know how hard this has to be for you. I always struggle with this, too. It's great to have the encouragement of others, but sometimes it feels like "giving up" gives some control back to live again, although I know many here would think that makes me pessimistic. 

    While I'm certain being a mother is incredible, I think sometimes people get disillusioned in thinking it's the only thing that makes them have a purpose. Even if you don't end up having a child there are plenty of things you can do and life is as great as you make it.  

    Do you think this is something you'd regret down the road? It's hard when you've not run out of time or money, but just steam, but even that is OK... just listen to yourself. 

    I think we all vacillate on when enough is enough and it's even more complex when one half of the couple wants to keep fighting. 

    Is your DH adamant about continuing? Maybe you can make a list of pros and cons and let him know how much of a struggle this is for you. 

    As always, we're all here for you. My heart aches that you have to go through this, because I know how difficult it is to keep trying and not feel like there's a glimmer of hope... only to have others keep pushing you. 

    big hugs xxxx 

    (Live in Europe) TTC since 1/2010
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  • ((((hugs))))  we all have our limits.  It's just not fair going through so many months of heart ache over and over and over again
    TTC #1 Since 4/2010, Cycle 30
    Positive for HLA-B27, I'm a mutant :p
    Testing - Me ok, gluten issue? DH - borderline count, low motility
    4/28/11 IUI#1 = BFP!(5/25), EDD 2/2/12 - m/c 5w3d
    7/3, 7/31, 9/25 - IUI#2-4=BFN
    IVF#1 - 1 blast = BFP!! (12/30), EDD 9/9/12, confirmed c/p 4w2d
    FET#1 3/2/12 - 2 blasts =BFP!! EDD 11/18/12, us#1 = twins! Confirmed m/c 5w6d
    4/20-surprise BFP and another c/p 4w2d
    FET#2 7/16/12 - 2 blasts = BFN
    FET#3 8/20/12 - 1 blast - BFP!! Beta #1-2=177, 354
    1st u/s 5w6d, one beautiful little HB :), 2nd u/s 146bpm
    baby girl born 5/10/13

    TTC#2 since 12/17/2014, Cycle 8
    Repeat Testing...FSH=12, AMH=3.8, AFC=28. 
    IUI#5 5/10/15- c/p?
    IVF#2 8/19/15 - cancelled due to cysts
    IVF#2 take two 10/2015 - 5 blasts frozen
    FET#4 12/11/2015 - BFN - 4 blasts remaining
    FET#5 2/18/16 - BFP!!!  Beta1-3, 126, 250, 745!!

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  • Oh Sweets.  I think only you know when enough is enough but I was getting to just the point that you were at.  I agree with Mitzi, you have to think about if it is a choice that you will regret.  If it is what you want (at this point), you can create a happy and full life without children.  I know I am in the minority for thinking this but I believe it.  DH and I used to have conversations about what we would do if things didn't work  (travel and a beach house were big on our lists).  I am sorry that this is something that you are even faced with. I wish I could make it easy and take away the pain.  Know that I am here and so are all the other ladies on this board.  Big hugs.
  • I'm 95% sure I'm done without even one IVF.  I've given two years of my life (I know many have given more) to this and I'm not going to give another.  I am turning 38 next week and it's only getting tougher to keep going.  Quitting feels SO GOOD.  

    I am getting excited about adoption.  It feels like when we first started TTC, but without the worry that it wouldn't work.  I envision life with our adopted LO(s) and I know that then, I will be so thrilled. I won't be able to imagine not having him/her.

    You see I'm still here on IFV (out of habit and care for my friends who are TTC), but every time I check in, it makes me more sure I want to move on.  The idea of two lines now scares the hell out of me.  I've been pregnant three times, and all three times, the end result has been worse.  

    I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers and hope that you come to a decision soon.  Whether you go for #4 or choose not to, the peace that comes with having a plan is wonderful.

    My feet and Miss Heidi the rescue mutt!

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    15 treatment cycles: four early m/c
    Moving forward with domestic infant adoption!

    Home study approved 5/13, now just waiting...

  • I want to get off the IVF roller coaster too. Although we still have one embryo that we can transfer I don't have high hopes for a successful pregnancy and just want to move on. DH is gung ho for it and wants to give it another try. He said "if we don't get enough embryos on the next retrieval then we will just go back and do it again." I told him that I will only do one more retrieval and I don't care how many we get. I am tired of doing shots and bed rest and the 2ww, just to be disappointed again.  I think our time and money can be spent on adoption costs.  If it wasn't for the FSA account we set up, I would push for moving forward with adoption.  

     I'm just over it.

    Pursing Domestic Infant Adoption through a local agency. In the meantime, our dog is our baby.  Bumping from Portland, Oregon. 
  • AmCheriAmCheri member

    Big hugs. I've been wondering how you're doing.  

    Just this past week. I found myself googling "when is enough enough?" While certainly the benefits of a successful cycle are enormous, at this point for me (and it sounds like for you, too) the downsides seem to have taken control.  This process changes you physically, emotionally and spiritually.  And I think those changes are lasting.  The process breaks you on what feels like nearly a daily basis.  You feel like you've lost your life.  You feel like you've failed.  Now, your master is IF treatments.  It's the only thing you can think about and that is no way to live.  

    I absolutely understand where you're coming from.  I don't know how to tell YH.  I guess just sit down and speak from your heart. He loves you and wants you to be happy.  If closing the baby door is the right thing for you, it'll be the right thing for him.  Whatever your decision is, we're here for you.  xoxo 

    Baby girl Lila born 2013.
    Baby boy Henry born 2015.
    Expecting our capstone baby (boy) early March 2018.
  • reb259reb259 member

    Hi...i have been thinking about you too!  So much of what AmCheri said I feel and agree with... Maybe your H is having some of the same feelings...

    I (we) are here for you!  Sending you big hugs

    I am AMA and all tests on H came back normal
    3 failed IVF with OE and 2 failed frozen DE cycles
    Last fresh hail mary DE cycle starting Feb 2013
    PAIF/SAIF always welcome
  • I hope you don't mind me responding. Even though I am no longer an active member of this board, I still lurk here sometimes. When we decided that it was time to move on and "close the baby door", I did see a therapist a few times to talk through everything. I wanted to make sure I wasn't going to regret the decision later. It really helped. I went by myself, but DH would have come with me if I wanted him there. Maybe it would help you both to talk to an outside party too. Good luck with everything!
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  • (((hugs))) I think others already said it better than I could, so I will just say that I am thinking of you.
    IUIs #1-3 (1x unmedicated, 2x Clomid) = 2 BFNs, 1 m/c at 7w3d
    IUIs #4-6 (injects) = 3 BFNs
    IVF #1 = BFN
    FET #1 = BFN
    FET #2 = BFN
    IVF #2 = BFP, b/g twins lost at 20w due to partial abruption/PPROM
    IVF #3 = c/p 5w2d
    Long-shot Clomid/Prednisone cycle before next IVF = BFP, our beautiful, healthy girl born 6/26/13!
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    TTC again March 2014
    FET #3 - May/June 2014
    -
    all embryos arrested before xfer - back to the drawing board...
    IVF #4 - July/August 2014 
    beta 1 (11dp3dt) 220, beta 2 (13dp3dt) 671, beta 3 (19dp3dt) 10762
  • imageblueberries8:
    (((hugs))) I think others already said it better than I could, so I will just say that I am thinking of you.

    This exactly. ((HUGS)) 

    I suck at getting pregnant
    I really suck at staying pregnant
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  • imagerosemary&thyme:

    imageblueberries8:
    (((hugs))) I think others already said it better than I could, so I will just say that I am thinking of you.

    This exactly. ((HUGS)) 

    I couldn't agree more. 

    Your in my thoughts.

    ::big hugs::

    TTC #1 Since 11/08 - Dx: MFI & PCOS
    7 IUIs = All BFNs
    2011: March IVF #1.2 = e/p @ 6w: May IVF #2 = BFN: July sFET #1 = BFN

    2012: Jan We're Certified FC/A Parents
    May IVF #3 = c/p
    June-Nov Foster Mommy to M (Toddler)
    July FET #2 = BFN
    Aug FET #3 = BFN
    Sept-Nov Foster Mommy to Baby Bella (Newborn)
    Nov HSG/Sono = Clear!
    Dec FET #4 = BFN

    2013: Feb FET #5 = m/c @ 6.5w
    May-July Foster Mom to H (8 yr old girl)
    June/July/Aug IVF #4 = Freeze All
    July = Unofficially Adopting T (10 yr old boy)
    Sept FET #6 = TBD
    **PAIF/SAIF Welcome**
  • Hugs sweetie. You need to talk to your Dh no about your feelings. We are here for you no matter what. 
    TTC #1 since October 2008. Dealing with MFI.
    IVF #1 w ICSI in July 2010 = BFN
    IVF #2.1 in Oct 2010 converted to IUI = BFN
    IVF #2.2 w ICSI in Dec 2010 = BFN
    Met with new RE in new city on 1/31/11.
    IVF #3 w ICSI in April 2011. HPT on 5/9 = BFP!
    Beta #1 on 5/10 (10dp5dt) = 99.4. Beta #2 on 5/12 = 284. First u/s on 5/26. = Fraternal TWINS!
    Twin boys born & lost on 8/16/11 at 18w1d due to PPROM & preterm labor.
    IVF #4.1 in Jan 2012 converted to IUI on 1/7/12 = BFN
    IVF #4.2 w ICSI in Feb 2012. Lupron on 2/10. Stims on 2/18. ER on 2/29- 7R,6F
    ET scheduled for 3/5/12- nothing to transfer :(
    Dh seeing new MFI uro & Dh starting meds- June 2012.
    IVF #5 in Dec 2012 = BFFN.
    IVF #6 planned for Spring 2013. Praying for our take home baby/ies.
    **P/SAIF and P/SAL always welcome!**

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  • Oh McIrish....hugs hugs hugs.

    I liked what Mitzi wrote in her response. Nicely put. Talk to YH and tell him honestly how you feel. He will love you no matter what. I know it's hard to imagine right now but you and YH can have a good life just with the two of you. MH is slowly changing his mind again but having already been on child free board once a mess...I think I will be at peace this time around.

    I wish you all the best in making your decision. I know you have alot of support on this board.

    ME:46 MH:44 DE IVF 2014
    Met with RE 4/11. 2 IUI's BFN. DE best option. Switched clinics to do "shared" program. Had to retake all tests and a mamm that put me behind and then on a DE waiting list for 12 months. Picked a donor!! (10/13/13) Got matched. Estimated transfer in December. After 2.5 years of patiently waiting I will finally cycle....can hardly believe it. DE cycle got cancelled. One of her tests came back positive.  Waiting for another donor. Donor picked!! (1/18/14)

    DE IVF #1 (4/26) BFN  DE FET #1 (6/4) BFP! Beta 1=339 Beta 2=852 Beta 3=9957 EDD 2/22/15!!


     

     

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  • Big hugs. Hoping you and your DH can have the honest conversation you need and reach some form of resolution. Thinking of you.
    TTC #1 since June 2010
    Me: 36, DH: 42
    Dx: DOR and MFI

    DH: low count + very low motility; hormones all normal; Sperm DNA Frag. test = poor to fair; male karyotyping normal
    Me: FSH 13.4 + AMH 0.26 + hypothyroidism; Scratch the hypothyrodism (?); Blood clotting and immune panel all negative; endometrial biopsy normal

    IVF #1 (MDLF - Jul/Aug 2011): BFN (9R, 5M, 3F with ICSI, 3dt of 1 10-cell grade 2, no frosties)
    IVF #2 (EP-antagonist - Sep/Oct 2011): BFN (6R, 4M, 3F w/ ICSI, 3dt of 1 6-cell, 1 7-cell, grade 4s, no frosties)
    DE IVF #1 (shared cycle - June 2012): c/p (6R, 6F w/ICSI, 3dt 1 8-cell grade A- and 1 7-cell grade A-; no frosties)
    DE IVF #2 (shared cycle with new donor - Nov/Dec/ 2012): - BFP!!!!! 12/14/12. U/S on 12/27 shows twins!!!!!

    SAIFW/PAIFW
  • I am with Sarah, that 99% feeling.  It's hard to believe because a couple of months ago I was feeling almost desperate to try again due to my loudly ticking clock.  But it's gotten quieter... I guess, or fading away.  MH and I will sporadically have a talk about it but he's kind of wanting to wait until our WTF (currently unscheduled) - but he's not anxious to get to that, either.  I think it's kind of 'safe' here in the unknown, not having to do any treatments with the time, money and emotional factors involved, but also not officially saying "that door is closed". 

    I am just so sorry that you are going through this, I wish peace for everyone on this journey because it is so big, so important and consuming... and so personal, including knowing when enough is enough.  I agree with the others here saying to tjust have a heart to heart with YH. 

    Sending you a big hug and good luck wishes in whatever you end up doing - you have all of our support!!

  • I'm so sorry hon.  You're in my thoughts and prayers.

    ((hugs))


    After more than 2 years of fertility treatments, FET did the trick!
    IVF March 2012 - BFP! - Severe OHSS = 8 days in the hospital in kidney failure
    No heartbeat at 10w6d
    FET August 27,2012 = BFP!
    It's a boy!
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  • Delta04Delta04 member
    It's been a minute since I've checked in but please know that you are in my thoughts.  I saw the title of your post and just wanted to give you a hug. 
    TTC since 3/07. IVF#1 = canceled. IVF#2 = 0% fertilization. IVF#3 = BFN. IVF#4 = c/p.  
    Moving forward with Adoption 2017!
  • Just wanted to let you know that I'll be thinking of you.  I wish you peace with whatever decision you and your DH reach.  Take care of yourself.
    Married 8/2008. IVF with PGD March 2013.
    3/22 ER: 25R, 20M, 15F. 9 genetically normal, and 3 survived to Day 5
    3/27 ET: transferred 1 embryo, beta 9dp5dt=163, 12dp5dt=639
    4/25 1st ultrasound at 7 weeks = identical twins with heartbeats?!!!
    PPROM at 31w, delivery at 32 weeks of two beautiful girls
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  • ((hugs)) thinking of you. 
    After 3 years of infertility we were blessed with twin girls through private infant adoption.
    Forever our's October 17th 2012
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  • So many ladies put it so well already. I am giving you big hugs right now hun!
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  • ((hugs)). Ditto pp. I can not imagine what you are going through but know I am here for you.
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  • Mc.Irish, huge hugs on their way.  I hope that you find the strength to have the discussion with DH that brings some decisions for you both.  I understand.  If you're done, you're done.  Only you know the emotional and physical toll that this takes on you and you have to be able to say "stop" when the time is right.  We're all here for you!

     
    me 33/DH 36
    ttc since 10/2008; d/x: mild MFI, stageII endo
    ~~PAIF/SAIF Welcome~~
    11 IUI’s = 1 m/c (7w4d)
    IVF#1 January 2012 BFN, FET #1 April 2012 BFN
    Surprise BFP October 2012 m/c (7w), Surprise BFP April 2013 m/c (6w4d)
    IVF #2: July 2013, ET 1 embryo 7/18, beta 1 @ 14dp3dt - 757, beta 2 @ 16dp3dt - 1762
    U/S 1 @ 6w4d = 1 little frogger with HB of 118, U/S 2 @ 7w3d measuring right on track with HB of 160
    Stick Frogger Stick! Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!   It's a Girl, EDD April 7, 2014

    BabyFruit Ticker

  • imageMrs.McIrish:
    and I don't know how to tell DH. I just don't want to do this anymore. It seems so pointless for me. I can't handle another "nothing to transfer".  I'm a realist-- at age 38.5, getting 1 or 2 eggs isn't going to result in a take home baby for me.  I've never had a 2nd line ever and I've never had an embryo that even looked decent. I don't want to feel what I felt in February again. I want to close the baby door.

     

    HUGE (((HUGS)))

    I know exactly how you feel.  I knew after if our IVF cycle failed I would have to close the door.  It's so heart breaking!  I know I couldn't handle another failed cycle and I'm slowly coming to peace with the end of our baby journey.

    I wish I had better words of wisdom to share with you.  I think we all know when we've had enough.  You are far stronger than I am by going through IVF 3 times.  Its amazing the hell we will put our bodies and our emotions through.

    I wish you all the best in whatever you and your DH decide to do.  Lots of T&P's for you.  More HUGE (((HUGS)))

    BabyFruit Ticker

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    1st U/S 06.18.12 2nd U/S 06.25.12
    09.24.12 It's a Boy!! ---> Jacob Owen

    Our IF Journey Began: October 2009
    **8 Failed IUI's, 1 Blighted Ovum, & 1 Failed IVF**
    Dx: MFI, DOR w/MTHFR Homozygous A1298C & Hypothyroidism
    03.2012 Lab Results: FSH 6.83 AMH 0.67 TSH 3.8 E2 17
    SA 156 million 93% motility 3% morphology

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  • ((HUGE HUGS))
    TTC 12/2009
    Me: 32 - Stage II Endo / DH: 36 - Low count and morphology (1%)
    IUIs 1-3 BFN, lap Dec. 2010, IUIs 4-6 BFN
    IVF w/ICSI #1 - ER 2/8: 24R 19M 9F ET 2/13 2-5 day blasts (no frosties) = BFP - b/g twins!
    E & C Born 10/19/2012
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  • Aw, I am sorry you are going through this.  It is so unfair.

    I can relate.  I am feeling the same way about IVF #5.  Just turned 38 and feel like it isn't ever going to happen.  The further away I get from my last failed cycle, the more I just don't want to go through another failure again.  My emotions can't handle it.  

    Sorry...didn't meant to write so much about me in your post :-/  Just wanted to let you know I totally feel your pain.

    Ellen & Chris 5/6/06
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    TTC Since 10/2007 with no luck and a 'go with the flow' attitude
    1/1010 FINALLY decided to have testing done, dx MFI
    7/2010 - DH starts Clomid to increase testosterone and hopefully sperm count
    10/2010 - Still low (but improved) sperm count.
    11/30/10 - IUI #1 and only = BFN
    February 2011 - IVF #1 w/ ICSI =
    Chemical PG (Beta 1: 10, Beta 2: 19, Beta 3: 17) :-(
    April 2011 - IVF #2 w/ ICSI = BFN :-(
    September 2011 - IVF #3 w/ ICSI = BFFN
    November 2011 - AMH level tested - .83 (normal for age range)
    February 2012 - IVF #4 w/ ICSI = (best response ever yet still) BFFN
    April 2012 - DNA testing - NORMAL, RE suggests cycling again with own eggs or using DE
    On Break indefinitely...not sure we can afford the emotional and financial roller coaster anymore.
    *PAIFW/SAIFW*
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