After-Birth Abortion article

Sarafuss · April 2012

Has anyone read this?! It is the most disgusting thing I've ever heard. And this quote made my head spin:

?Actual people's well-being could be threatened by the new (even if healthy) child requiring energy, money and care which the family might happen to be in short supply of,? they observe. Accordingly, ?if economical, social or psychological circumstances change such that taking care of the offspring becomes an unbearable burden on someone, then people should be given the chance of not being forced to do something they cannot afford.? An after-birth abortion might be warranted by any ?interests of actual people (parents, family, society) to pursue their own well-being??including ?the interests of the mother who might suffer psychological distress from giving her child up for adoption.?

https://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2012/03/after_birth_abortion_the_pro_choice_case_for_infanticide_.html

LucyPevensie · April 2012

Listen, I am 100 percent pro-choice but this article is just insane and the suggestions therein are ludicrous and repulsive. I think it came out a month or so ago and there was a big hue and cry then, and I even heard one on-screen commentator remark that "this is what liberals REALLY want, to be able to commit infanticide!" Um ... what? No, not so much. Some people are just loons (like the folks who thought up the concepts in this article and then proceeded to write them down.)

That said - I have long used the term "after birth abortion" to refer to children and adults killed in the wars raged all over this globe. Those lives are worth at least as much -- yet I don't see anyone holding up giant bloody posters on street corners protesting those deaths. It seems only fetuses get the spotlight when it comes to a life being aborted at another's hand.

itsmevkb · April 2012

I just love the twisted language, as if calling something an "after-birth abortion" won't make people realize that what they are really talking about is murder. Some people come up with some pretty frightening ideas.

Oh, and Lucy, I see lots of people protesting wars and the violence and killing that stems form them, in addition to speaking out about killings such as Treyvon Martin.

epphd · April 2012

Sarafuss:
Has anyone read this?! It is the most disgusting thing I've ever heard. And this quote made my head spin:

?Actual people's well-being could be threatened by the new (even if healthy) child requiring energy, money and care which the family might happen to be in short supply of,? they observe. Accordingly, ?if economical, social or psychological circumstances change such that taking care of the offspring becomes an unbearable burden on someone, then people should be given the chance of not being forced to do something they cannot afford.? An after-birth abortion might be warranted by any ?interests of actual people (parents, family, society) to pursue their own well-being??including ?the interests of the mother who might suffer psychological distress from giving her child up for adoption.?

https://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2012/03/after_birth_abortion_the_pro_choice_case_for_infanticide_.html

Oh for goodness sake. This is a thought exercise - a discussion in purely philosophical terms designed to stir up controversy. It's not a policy or even a bill to be considered. People have and will continue to write inflammatory shits to get people thinking or to offend. There is much worse out there to get panty twisty over.

LucyPevensie · April 2012

itsmevkb:
I just love the twisted language, as if calling something an "after-birth abortion" won't make people realize that what they are really talking about is murder. Some people come up with some pretty frightening ideas.

Oh, and Lucy, I see lots of people protesting wars and the violence and killing that stems form them, in addition to speaking out about killings such as Treyvon Martin.

More specifically - I was referring to the giant gory bloody fetus posters that some "pro-lifers" choose to hold up and display, visually assaulting and frightening the cars full of small children and school buses that drive by. I don't see those same folks engaged in the type of protests you are referring to. I am glad that other folks do engage in peaceful protests of war and the heartbreaking murder of Trayvon Martin.

LucyPevensie · April 2012

epphd:
Sarafuss:
Has anyone read this?! It is the most disgusting thing I've ever heard. And this quote made my head spin:

?Actual people's well-being could be threatened by the new (even if healthy) child requiring energy, money and care which the family might happen to be in short supply of,? they observe. Accordingly, ?if economical, social or psychological circumstances change such that taking care of the offspring becomes an unbearable burden on someone, then people should be given the chance of not being forced to do something they cannot afford.? An after-birth abortion might be warranted by any ?interests of actual people (parents, family, society) to pursue their own well-being??including ?the interests of the mother who might suffer psychological distress from giving her child up for adoption.?

https://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2012/03/after_birth_abortion_the_pro_choice_case_for_infanticide_.html
Oh for goodness sake. This is a thought exercise - a discussion in purely philosophical terms designed to stir up controversy. It's not a policy or even a bill to be considered. People have and will continue to write inflammatory shits to get people thinking or to offend. There is much worse out there to get panty twisty over.

Yep.

GypsyEsq · April 2012

LucyPevensie:
epphd:
Sarafuss:
Has anyone read this?! It is the most disgusting thing I've ever heard. And this quote made my head spin:

?Actual people's well-being could be threatened by the new (even if healthy) child requiring energy, money and care which the family might happen to be in short supply of,? they observe. Accordingly, ?if economical, social or psychological circumstances change such that taking care of the offspring becomes an unbearable burden on someone, then people should be given the chance of not being forced to do something they cannot afford.? An after-birth abortion might be warranted by any ?interests of actual people (parents, family, society) to pursue their own well-being??including ?the interests of the mother who might suffer psychological distress from giving her child up for adoption.?

https://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2012/03/after_birth_abortion_the_pro_choice_case_for_infanticide_.html
Oh for goodness sake. This is a thought exercise - a discussion in purely philosophical terms designed to stir up controversy. It's not a policy or even a bill to be considered. People have and will continue to write inflammatory shits to get people thinking or to offend. There is much worse out there to get panty twisty over.

Yep.

GypsyEsq · April 2012

What LucyP and Epphd said. This is an article memorializing a thought process. The legal system protects abortions period. It also condemns murder. There isn't any such thing as an after birth abortion as this article describes the term.

Sarafuss · April 2012

I never thought it was a bill being considered or proposed. I just couldn't believe someone actually thought to write this and publish the article.

epphd · April 2012

Sarafuss:
I never thought it was a bill being considered or proposed. I just couldn't believe someone actually thought to write this and publish the article.

If that's the most offensive thing you've read, consider yourself either lucky or sheltered. I don't mean that to be a jerk, just that the First Amendment gives people the right to say or write all kinds of waaaaaay worse, way out there stuff. What annoyed me about this article was not that someone thought it or even wrote it - but that it was a thinly veiled way to paint pro-choice women as those who would just as easily murder a six month old. Not only is that a stretch, it is patently untrue and a pathetic attempt to advance an agenda, polarize people and imply that this could be a real possibility. I saw it posted all over facebook and readers honestly thought it was a real legislative action.

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