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OrangeFelt · February 2012

I think I remember one or both of you mentioning in the check ins that you O'd around CD16 - and that the acupuncture you were doing was regulating that to the more "normal" 12-14? Or something along those lines?

So I'm curious - what's wrong with ovulating later on? I'm very much a "like clockwork" cycle person, but my recent (read: three nonconsecutive months) journey into peeing on sticks to get a ":)" gets results on CD16. So I'm just curious - is there something wrong with that? Or does it not matter as long as its regular?

espana21 · February 2012

I think the problem is how o'ing later can impact the luteal phase. I sometimes o on cd18 but my cycle is a clockwork 28 days. The problem is that you need 12-14 days to implant from what I understand so 9-10 day LP for me could be problematic.

OrangeFelt · February 2012

Hmmm... that does sound logical now that you say it. Pineapple core! Need pineapple core!

AustinBride06 · February 2012

Hi!

There's nothing "wrong" with ovulating later. But then my luteal phase was usually in the 10-12 day range... just kinda on the edge of being shorter than preferred. I was ovulating between cd18-27. Also... I seemed to have more of a slow rise in temps than a clear spike. And... my temps weren't very high.

Re: spike - a nice clear jump is preferable I think because it indicates that you had a "stronger" quality ovulation. I don't know exactly what that means... I thought you just ovulated or you didn't. But I think it could be the difference between a fully developed high-quality ova bursting out or just an okay ova kinda peeking out all lazy-like. You know how Clomid (from what I understand) helps your ovulation and you ovulate "on-time"? Kinda the same concept, I think, just going about it naturally.

Re: higher temps - with both my miscarriages I had issues with low progesterone. My doctor just said that it's kinda a catch-22... if the pregnancy isn't viable, the body isn't going to put forth the effort to create enough progesterone... and she put me on supplements for the LP. However, my acupuncturist said that while that is true, her practice (link in siggy) has seen less miscarriages when overall temps were higher than mine and particularly post-O temps were over 98.2. She said that the temps are a good indicator of where your balance of hormones is, particularly progesterone. I'm not there yet, but again, my temps MUCH better than they used to be. And guess what, my progesterone is higher than it's ever been. Getting there has been a combination of acupuncture, herbs, diet, and habits to stay as warm as possible. In fact, I'm supposed to keep warm until the placenta takes over and I don't need the progesterone supplements anymore, which is why I'm still charting.

FWIW, I don't think cd16 is that late. I O'd on cd16 this cycle.

OrangeFelt · February 2012

Thanks! Good to know, that's all kinds of good info! That makes me feel a lot better. My last cycle was all kinds of weird (more like an O on CD21) but I was crazy stressed and traveling.

I guess I'll just have to be consistent and actually track all of this stuff to get a good idea of what's going on.:)

brideonjuly8 · February 2012

Busy bee this morning, but here's my short version:

Ovulating on CD 16 is NOT considered late. That's very much in the normal/average range. I would give ANYTHING to o on CD 16 on the regular.

"Late" ovulation (anything higher than CD22/23ish) can be undesirable because it generally means there wasn't a strong O, and can also mean there is egg quality issues. When an egg "cooks" for that long, the quality starts to deteriorate, thus it's less likely to be fertilized.

That's what my docs told me, anyway. There's nothing wrong with it (the cycle I conceived DS I Oed on CD26) but anything to help get that lower and more in the average range the better chances you have of getting knocked up. And having long cycles just sucksass.

And to my knowledge, it has nothing to do with your luteal phase. You LP is the same no matter when you O. A short LP is considered anything 10days and below.

espana21 · February 2012

brideonjuly8:
And to my knowledge, it has nothing to do with your luteal phase. You LP is the same no matter when you O. A short LP is considered anything 10days and below.

Hmm I think your LP is completely dependent on when you O and how long your cycle is. My cycle has been 27 or 28 days for 6+ months. On the months when I o on day 18-20, my af still comes on cd28. My LP is then 8-10 days long and probably too short. You might have conceived on cd26 but your cycle wasn't 28 days. So to OP: cd16 isn't bad depending on how long of a cycle you typically have

AustinBride06 · February 2012

espana21:
brideonjuly8:
And to my knowledge, it has nothing to do with your luteal phase. You LP is the same no matter when you O. A short LP is considered anything 10days and below.
Hmm I think your LP is completely dependent on when you O and how long your cycle is. My cycle has been 27 or 28 days for 6+ months. On the months when I o on day 18-20, my af still comes on cd28. My LP is then 8-10 days long and probably too short. You might have conceived on cd26 but your cycle wasn't 28 days. So to OP: cd16 isn't bad depending on how long of a cycle you typically have

LPs supposedly don't vary that much... at least not more than 1-2 days. Like the time I O'd on cd27 I got AF on cd39 (LP = 11 days). The next cycle, I O'd on cd16 and got AF on the 29th day (LP = 12 days). I think there are a lot of factors that make both the O date and the LP length vary... but LP is supposed to stay relatively constant. You're lucky that you have consistent 28-day cycles! Took me a long time (and a lot of work) to get there.

brideonjuly8 · February 2012

C&P from FF.com:

"

I thought the luteal phase was not supposed to vary. Why does my chart show that my luteal phase varies from cycle to cycle?

The luteal phase (the time between ovulation and menstruation) does not usually vary much from cycle to cycle, while the follicular phase (the time between menstruation and ovulation) can vary considerably. A variance of more than a day or two in your luteal phase usually means that ovulation may have occurred earlier or later than your chart indicates on one or more cycles and you may need to make some adjustments to your charts. You can use the manual override feature or the ovulation detection tuners to make adjustments.

Alternately, if you are unable to determine a more likely date, you may need to exclude one or more cycles from your statistics (Menu Data/Cycles).

If it is taking a long time to conceive and you are sure that you are charting accurately, a varying luteal phase length is something you may want discuss with your doctor."

You're O date typically has nothing to do with how long your LP is, or it shouldn't.

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