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I have a Judaism/circcumcision related question for you...  My understanding is that the circumcision is suppossed to take place in a religious ceremony a certain number of days after the baby is born. 

So my question is, what does a Jewish family normally do if the baby is medically fragile?  What brings this to mind, was that the policy of our NICU was that boys would generally be circumcised once they were cleared for release from the hospital.  I know that some Catholic families will have a priest come in and baptize thier child very soon after birth if there was an issue where the child might not make it.  Which got me wondering if it is common practice in Jewish families to circumcise earlier than normal if the child has medical problems.

I assume that it would depend in large part on how serious the medical issue was, so I'll throw out a hypothetical.  If a newborn Jewish male child needed life saving surgery,would the family normally decide to circumcise prior to surgery?

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  • The bris is normally 8 days after birth but if the child is at all medically fragile it is postponed for as long as need be.  Jews are very practical about these things.

    Judaism is very different from Catholicism, and there is no suggestion that a child would suffer in the afterlife if the ceremony had not been performed.  (In fact, Judaism as a whole is very this life oriented - there aren't really comparable ideas to hell, limbo, etc.) 

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  • That makes total sense.  Thanks for responding! 

    To be honest, I never really got the whole rush to baptize thing, especially considering the Catholic Churches position on when life begins.   My family are primarily either lapsed Catholics or evangelical christians, so I don't choose to discuss religious theology with them!

     

     

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    The bris is normally 8 days after birth but if the child is at all medically fragile it is postponed for as long as need be.  Jews are very practical about these things.

    Judaism is very different from Catholicism, and there is no suggestion that a child would suffer in the afterlife if the ceremony had not been performed.  (In fact, Judaism as a whole is very this life oriented - there aren't really comparable ideas to hell, limbo, etc.) 

    Just to jump in, there isn't a suggestion in Catholicism that children wouls suffer in the afterlife if they were not baptized before they passed.  There are many different verses that are pointed to....children are innocent therefore have not committed any mortal sins.  Vatican II addressed this as well as the question of the eternal salvation of those not able to full understand the sacraments, like the mentally retarded and children.  I just wanted to clarify so no one thinks the Catholics dammed their unbaptized babies to hell Big Smile

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    The bris is normally 8 days after birth but if the child is at all medically fragile it is postponed for as long as need be.  Jews are very practical about these things.

    Judaism is very different from Catholicism, and there is no suggestion that a child would suffer in the afterlife if the ceremony had not been performed.  (In fact, Judaism as a whole is very this life oriented - there aren't really comparable ideas to hell, limbo, etc.) 

    Just to jump in, there isn't a suggestion in Catholicism that children wouls suffer in the afterlife if they were not baptized before they passed.  There are many different verses that are pointed to....children are innocent therefore have not committed any mortal sins.  Vatican II addressed this as well as the question of the eternal salvation of those not able to full understand the sacraments, like the mentally retarded and children.  I just wanted to clarify so no one thinks the Catholics dammed their unbaptized babies to hell Big Smile

    Apparently too much of my knowledge re Catholicism comes from historical fiction. Embarrassed

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  • Haha, yea prior to Vatican II being a Catholic kind of sucked. We're much more warm and fuzzy now.
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    Haha, yea prior to Vatican II being a Catholic kind of sucked. We're much more warm and fuzzy now.

    Yeah, my only exposure to it is my very old school grandmother (my dad's family is Catholic - he doesn't practice) and Jamie Fraser.  Who's warm and fuzzy...but in a different sort of way. ;)

    Jamie, that is. Lol

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  • Cooper- I have heard horror stories from family members about unbaptized babies not being allowed to be buried at Catholic cemetaries.  My great-grandmother had 14 surviving children, and there were a couple still births and/or babies that died shortly after birth.  That would have been in the 1940's.   Vatican II was adopted sometime in the 1960's, right?
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    Cooper- I have heard horror stories from family members about unbaptized babies not being allowed to be buried at Catholic cemetaries.  My great-grandmother had 14 surviving children, and there were a couple still births and/or babies that died shortly after birth.  That would have been in the 1940's.   Vatican II was adopted sometime in the 1960's, right?

    Yea, I think it went from '63 to '65.  Yea before Vatican II I think Catholicism was stuck in the Dark Ages, it was not a very friendly or forgiving interpretation of scripture. 

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    imageCooper81:
    Haha, yea prior to Vatican II being a Catholic kind of sucked. We're much more warm and fuzzy now.

    Yeah, my only exposure to it is my very old school grandmother (my dad's family is Catholic - he doesn't practice) and Jamie Fraser.  Who's warm and fuzzy...but in a different sort of way. ;)

    Jamie, that is. Lol

    Very similar for me...  My grandfather was a lapsed/non-practicing catholic.  Most of what I know comes from my great-aunts who are all pretty old school.  They still wear head coverings for mass, etc.

    However, their kids are all over the place. One of them calls herself a Catholic but has point blank told me that she "doesn't believe in transsubstantiation..."  Last I recalled that was actually one of the articles of faith.  I have no idea how she can be Catholic and not believe that.  In fact, that is the main reason why I choose to go through cathecism as a Lutheran.  But, like I said earlier it isn't worth it to get involved in these discussions with my family. 

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  • Yea transsubstantiation is part of the 7 sacraments.  I guess you can call yourself catholic if you want to??
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  • You are right, she can call herself whatever she wants.  I shouldn't have worded it that way. 

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    You are right, she can call herself whatever she wants.  I shouldn't have worded it that way. 

    I get what you're saying.  I find it so odd that people continue to identify with a religion when they themselves admit that they don't believe in some of the basic fundamentals of that religion.  It's the foundation, how do you just dismiss that? It doens't make sense to me?!

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    You are right, she can call herself whatever she wants.  I shouldn't have worded it that way. 

    I get what you're saying.  I find it so odd that people continue to identify with a religion when they themselves admit that they don't believe in some of the basic fundamentals of that religion.  It's the foundation, how do you just dismiss that? It doens't make sense to me?!

    Exactly.  I find it particularly annoying with this specific person because she made a HUGE production about needing to have a full Catholic mass for her wedding.  I feel like it is all for show.

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