was just about to post a reply to that even though I haven't checked in. I don't like that the poster said she's been directed to the post from another board.
I just posted and I know I haven't been around alot so I didn't mean to speak for everyone, those posts just p*ssed me off.
was just about to post a reply to that even though I haven't checked in. I don't like that the poster said she's been directed to the post from another board.
OMG you guys!! September 2011 Moms are using CIO!! Let's all go judge them together!!
And BTW, you should definitely not take the advice of your pediatrician on this issue. You should listen to me (a stranger on the internet) instead, for my Googling is far superior training than 4 year medical school + pediatric residency + years of medical experience.
Wow, I just got caught up. I wonder if people went to their board when their LOs were 4 months old and judged their parenting decisions. We don't all agree with each other's decisions I'm sure, but I know that no one on this board is being a bad or neglectful parent.
I think it's funny that someone "tattled" on us. Seriously people, you need some MUD on your board or something.
This is what makes me laugh... I haven't started sleep training and still haven't decided if I will or not but seriously people? Also, I'm pretty sure the 3-6 mo board is FULL of people using CIO. That's all I ever see over there.
The people on this board aren't doing it just because everyone else is doing it but because they have done the research and decided that's what's best for their family
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"What did my fingers do before they held you? What did my heart do with it's love?"
I think it's funny that someone "tattled" on us. Seriously people, you need some MUD on your board or something.
This is what makes me laugh... I haven't started sleep training and still haven't decided if I will or not but seriously people? Also, I'm pretty sure the 3-6 mo board is FULL of people using CIO. That's all I ever see over there.
The people on this board aren't doing it just because everyone else is doing it but because they have done the research and decided that's what's best for their family
Amen! They should go attack 3-6, there are at least 3 threads about Ferber, which is complete CIO without checkins or interruptions at all.
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I am not participating in the check-ins, so I hadn't opened that thread until I read this one. It's one thing to post on threads that are MUD or something crazy, but don't criticize or be rude to ladies on a thread you have nothing to do with or know anything about. Apparently, since I have one kid and I know how to google, I am an expert on everything. If you don't know what's going on, leave it alone, we don't want your opinion! Ugh, I'm sorry, but people just irk me sometimes. And I think we know how to take care of our own LOs, thank you!
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I think it's funny that someone "tattled" on us. Seriously people, you need some MUD on your board or something.
This is what makes me laugh... I haven't started sleep training and still haven't decided if I will or not but seriously people? Also, I'm pretty sure the 3-6 mo board is FULL of people using CIO. That's all I ever see over there.
The people on this board aren't doing it just because everyone else is doing it but because they have done the research and decided that's what's best for their family
Amen! They should go attack 3-6, there are at least 3 threads about Ferber, which is complete CIO without checkins or interruptions at all.
Exactly, they should go criticize them for what they're doing because if they're on the 3-6 board then they aren't 6 months yet, and isn't that the magic number?!?!
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I haven't read the thread yet, but if my LO wouldn't sleep for more than 2 hours (someone posted about this on FFFC- HUGS to you!) you better believe I would be doing just about anything short of baby benadryl to make my child sleep for longer. I would never judge a parent for using CIO, because sleep (for everyone) is important and it's not like this is a go-to-first-choice easy solution.
exactly. no one here is like "welp, baby turned 4 mo today. so excited to let them cry themselves to sleep!" lol
its a last resort for most people.
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"What did my fingers do before they held you? What did my heart do with it's love?"
I think it's funny that someone "tattled" on us. Seriously people, you need some MUD on your board or something.
This is what makes me laugh... I haven't started sleep training and still haven't decided if I will or not but seriously people? Also, I'm pretty sure the 3-6 mo board is FULL of people using CIO. That's all I ever see over there.
The people on this board aren't doing it just because everyone else is doing it but because they have done the research and decided that's what's best for their family
Amen! They should go attack 3-6, there are at least 3 threads about Ferber, which is complete CIO without checkins or interruptions at all.
Actually, Ferber is not extinction (CIO w/o checking). Most people use Ferber to mean the graduated, timed check in method. IIRC, you start at 1, then 3, then 5, 5, until the end the first night. Check times are longer each night. He talks about other methods too, but that one is the main theory. Of course, he also says most babies aren't ready til 6 months.
I'm not sleep training C right now, and don't plan to as of this moment. She's a fairly good sleeper, typical infant. And a tiny thing-if she wakes at night, I want to feed her, I think she needs the calories! If it becomes necessary, Ferber is on the table, extinction is not. I do prefer the no cry books though, and a less one size fits all style.
Sam sucked at sleep. We tried Ferber. Long story short, didn't work. We'd get a night or two with little to no tears, then be back to 60 min plus.
Took 2 years for him to sleep through the night, and a bit longer til hew could go to sleep alone. I so totally get sleep training-we tried everything. I think the judging goes both ways though-the post earlier this week about the 14 mo old and the mom sleeping with him?
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Before sleep training we were up every 45 minutes to an hour. I was a walking zombie, she wasn't getting sleep, and to be honest, it was just an unsafe situation for me to constantly be holding her all night long, especially on that little of sleep. We are sleep training mainly so she will sleep in her crib, not to be cruel. It breaks my heart, but it would kill me if I dropped my child while sleeping, or rolled over on her and I caused her death. So to me, CIO > Death any day, everyday.
Another thing that really irks me, if she is hungry, I feed her! I do not ignore her cries in the middle of the night. If she cries, I am up, but sometimes she will let out a cry, adjust and she's sound asleep again. I am not sleep training in hopes of weaning all night feedings. I am sleep training so she can sleep!!
This EXACTLY! Every word Panda - you are right. I would never at any time deny my son food if he is hungry (and for that reason, we are NOT completely night weaning, he still needs one feed in the middle of the night). I am lucky enough to have a son that has a very specific hungry cry (even my extended family knows it), so it does take the guesswork out of it for me.
September 2011 mommies will have each others backs, that's for sure .
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Before sleep training we were up every 45 minutes to an hour. I was a walking zombie, she wasn't getting sleep, and to be honest, it was just an unsafe situation for me to constantly be holding her all night long, especially on that little of sleep. We are sleep training mainly so she will sleep in her crib, not to be cruel. It breaks my heart, but it would kill me if I dropped my child while sleeping, or rolled over on her and I caused her death. So to me, CIO > Death any day, everyday.
Another thing that really irks me, if she is hungry, I feed her! I do not ignore her cries in the middle of the night. If she cries, I am up, but sometimes she will let out a cry, adjust and she's sound asleep again. I am not sleep training in hopes of weaning all night feedings. I am sleep training so she can sleep!!
This EXACTLY! Every word Panda - you are right. I would never at any time deny my son food if he is hungry (and for that reason, we are NOT completely night weaning, he still needs one feed in the middle of the night). I am lucky enough to have a son that has a very specific hungry cry (even my extended family knows it), so it does take the guesswork out of it for me.
September 2011 mommies will have each others backs, that's for sure .
Wow. I walk away from thebump for 1 hour and actually start working at work and I miss all of this.
To comment about the topic though - We still do 1 night feeding. We have a rule where we feed after 6 hours of sleep. The pedi said she should be able to go 6-8 hours without eating.... and she does. As far as I'm concerned, Emily just needed a little encouragement to do this. We were one of the unlucky ones who were up every 45 min-1 hour for a very very long time until we started the sleep training at 4 months old. That sort of sleep is not only unhealthy for me but also her. I doubt she was every fully rested with a wake up schedule like that.
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Before sleep training we were up every 45 minutes to an hour. I was a walking zombie, she wasn't getting sleep, and to be honest, it was just an unsafe situation for me to constantly be holding her all night long, especially on that little of sleep. We are sleep training mainly so she will sleep in her crib, not to be cruel. It breaks my heart, but it would kill me if I dropped my child while sleeping, or rolled over on her and I caused her death. So to me, CIO > Death any day, everyday.
Another thing that really irks me, if she is hungry, I feed her! I do not ignore her cries in the middle of the night. If she cries, I am up, but sometimes she will let out a cry, adjust and she's sound asleep again. I am not sleep training in hopes of weaning all night feedings. I am sleep training so she can sleep!!
This EXACTLY! Every word Panda - you are right. I would never at any time deny my son food if he is hungry (and for that reason, we are NOT completely night weaning, he still needs one feed in the middle of the night). I am lucky enough to have a son that has a very specific hungry cry (even my extended family knows it), so it does take the guesswork out of it for me.
September 2011 mommies will have each others backs, that's for sure.
This. I'm not even sleep training and I'm still like
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"What did my fingers do before they held you? What did my heart do with it's love?"
Before sleep training we were up every 45 minutes to an hour. I was a walking zombie, she wasn't getting sleep, and to be honest, it was just an unsafe situation for me to constantly be holding her all night long, especially on that little of sleep. We are sleep training mainly so she will sleep in her crib, not to be cruel. It breaks my heart, but it would kill me if I dropped my child while sleeping, or rolled over on her and I caused her death. So to me, CIO > Death any day, everyday.
Another thing that really irks me, if she is hungry, I feed her! I do not ignore her cries in the middle of the night. If she cries, I am up, but sometimes she will let out a cry, adjust and she's sound asleep again. I am not sleep training in hopes of weaning all night feedings. I am sleep training so she can sleep!!
This EXACTLY! Every word Panda - you are right. I would never at any time deny my son food if he is hungry (and for that reason, we are NOT completely night weaning, he still needs one feed in the middle of the night). I am lucky enough to have a son that has a very specific hungry cry (even my extended family knows it), so it does take the guesswork out of it for me.
September 2011 mommies will have each others backs, that's for sure .
Wow. I walk away from thebump for 1 hour and actually start working at work and I miss all of this.
To comment about the topic though - We still do 1 night feeding. We have a rule where we feed after 6 hours of sleep. The pedi said she should be able to go 6-8 hours without eating.... and she does. As far as I'm concerned, Emily just needed a little encouragement to do this. We were one of the unlucky ones who were up every 45 min-1 hour for a very very long time until we started the sleep training at 4 months old. That sort of sleep is not only unhealthy for me but also her. I doubt she was every fully rested with a wake up schedule like that.
Our pedi said she should be able to go all night, but at minimum should go a 6 hour stretch. With that said, if she cries out at three hours, I will gladly feed her. Last night she did approximately a 5 hr stretch, then I fed her, then she did a 3.5 hour stretch, I fed her, and then she woke up for the day 3 hours later. I fed her again.
TBH, the 5-6 hour stretches hurt my boobs a little. :-P
Ditto and LOL...That is why I pump before I go to bed... Then there is only like a 4 hour stretch maximum.
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While I'm not sleep training, I'm not against it. Some of y'all have not had more than one straight hour of sleep since your baby was born, so this is not a new thing. Being sleep deprived for four months is not ok for you or your baby. I can tell in some of your posts that making the decision to CIO was not easy and you probably agonized over and over (and still are) to come to that decision. I can tell you when my LO started sleeping better, I became a better mother.
While I'm not sleep training, I'm not against it. Some of y'all have not had more than one straight hour of sleep since your baby was born, so this is not a new thing. Being sleep deprived for four months is not ok for you or your baby. I can tell in some of your posts that making the decision to CIO was not easy and you probably agonized over and over (and still are) to come to that decision. I can tell you when my LO started sleeping better, I became a better mother.
THANK YOU for saying this!!! I can't tell you how true this has been for me. Not that I was mommy dearest prior to this but I honestly think a string of more than 1-2 hours of sleep gives me the ability to function to a higher standard. I also realize the difficulty in doing the CIO method. No one on this board came to this decision lightly. That is very apparent.
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I am not participating in the check-ins, so I hadn't opened that thread until I read this one. It's one thing to post on threads that are MUD or something crazy, but don't criticize or be rude to ladies on a thread you have nothing to do with or know anything about. Apparently, since I have one kid and I know how to google, I am an expert on everything. If you don't know what's going on, leave it alone, we don't want your opinion! Ugh, I'm sorry, but people just irk me sometimes. And I think we know how to take care of our own LOs, thank you!
Amen! I am the same way. If I don't know the subject matter or can't offer anything to the board I don't mess with it. It is non of my business. I don't know anything about the CIO method our DD has been STTN just fine. I do pray you ladies and little ones find a balance and have as little stress in the transition as possible. I'm sure it is more difficult on the Mom than on the LO. May you all be blessed with STTN babies real soon.
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I can see it now: Me: "Honey I think we should stop sleep training". DH: "Why?". Me: "Because some girl on a message board told us to.". DH: "Oh, ok then."
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I'm just peeved that there is an assumption that everyone on our board got together and decided to let our babies cry and starve because we want to sleep. We didn't all come up with individual plans based on our doctors and own research. We're just cruel and stupid because our babies were born in September.
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Had a crazy crazy day at work today so I'm REALLY late to the game here.
I'm going to have to check out the other thread to see what all was said to y'all.
We 'tried' a mild form of CIO and neither one of us could do it yet. WE caved fast. I wanted to cry myself...and that was about a month ago. DD is 5 months now and still waking up all the time at night. Not good for any of us so I'm been trying to see how sleep training is going for those doing it so that I have some idea of what's supposed to happen.
We haven't bought any books yet though. I just know that we have to do something. soon.
I commend you ladies sleep training already!
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I didnt read all their judgemental responses, but did they say where the post was linked to? What crazies, get your own board.
If B wasn't a good sleeper I would definitely be sleep training. And Panda I was the one who posted about meeting a woman who slept with her 14 mo in his crib...I agree I definitely judged, and that is what we are preventing by teaching our kids good sleep habits now!
Ugh people annoy me.
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I think it's funny that someone "tattled" on us. Seriously people, you need some MUD on your board or something.
This is what makes me laugh... I haven't started sleep training and still haven't decided if I will or not but seriously people? Also, I'm pretty sure the 3-6 mo board is FULL of people using CIO. That's all I ever see over there.
The people on this board aren't doing it just because everyone else is doing it but because they have done the research and decided that's what's best for their family
Amen! They should go attack 3-6, there are at least 3 threads about Ferber, which is complete CIO without checkins or interruptions at all.
Ferber is not a full on CIO, it's a graduated check-in system. I'm reading his book right now and just wanted to clarify because I believe there are a lot of misconceptions when it comes to Ferber.
That being said, I have nothing against sleep training, as it comes in various forms and methods. I've been doing a lot of reading on different methods, but I'm just trying to ride out the 4MW for now. Parents do what is best for their family. I'm sorry, I know I'm mostly a lurker on this board, but I believe most of you are smart enough to be making the rich decisions, whatever they may be!!
Ladies popping over from other boards in an attempt to slap you on the hand is not cool.
Re: Not to start drama...
was just about to post a reply to that even though I haven't checked in. I don't like that the poster said she's been directed to the post from another board.
I just posted and I know I haven't been around alot so I didn't mean to speak for everyone, those posts just p*ssed me off.
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OMG you guys!! September 2011 Moms are using CIO!! Let's all go judge them together!!
And BTW, you should definitely not take the advice of your pediatrician on this issue. You should listen to me (a stranger on the internet) instead, for my Googling is far superior training than 4 year medical school + pediatric residency + years of medical experience.
"Because when you stop and look around, this life is pretty amazing."
~Dr. Suess
This is what makes me laugh... I haven't started sleep training and still haven't decided if I will or not but seriously people? Also, I'm pretty sure the 3-6 mo board is FULL of people using CIO. That's all I ever see over there.
The people on this board aren't doing it just because everyone else is doing it but because they have done the research and decided that's what's best for their family
"What did my fingers do before they held you? What did my heart do with it's love?"
Amen! They should go attack 3-6, there are at least 3 threads about Ferber, which is complete CIO without checkins or interruptions at all.
Exactly, they should go criticize them for what they're doing because if they're on the 3-6 board then they aren't 6 months yet, and isn't that the magic number?!?!
exactly. no one here is like "welp, baby turned 4 mo today. so excited to let them cry themselves to sleep!" lol
its a last resort for most people.
"What did my fingers do before they held you? What did my heart do with it's love?"
Actually, Ferber is not extinction (CIO w/o checking). Most people use Ferber to mean the graduated, timed check in method. IIRC, you start at 1, then 3, then 5, 5, until the end the first night. Check times are longer each night. He talks about other methods too, but that one is the main theory. Of course, he also says most babies aren't ready til 6 months.
I'm not sleep training C right now, and don't plan to as of this moment. She's a fairly good sleeper, typical infant. And a tiny thing-if she wakes at night, I want to feed her, I think she needs the calories! If it becomes necessary, Ferber is on the table, extinction is not. I do prefer the no cry books though, and a less one size fits all style.
Sam sucked at sleep. We tried Ferber. Long story short, didn't work. We'd get a night or two with little to no tears, then be back to 60 min plus.
Took 2 years for him to sleep through the night, and a bit longer til hew could go to sleep alone. I so totally get sleep training-we tried everything. I think the judging goes both ways though-the post earlier this week about the 14 mo old and the mom sleeping with him?
This EXACTLY! Every word Panda - you are right. I would never at any time deny my son food if he is hungry (and for that reason, we are NOT completely night weaning, he still needs one feed in the middle of the night). I am lucky enough to have a son that has a very specific hungry cry (even my extended family knows it), so it does take the guesswork out of it for me.
September 2011 mommies will have each others backs, that's for sure
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Wow. I walk away from thebump for 1 hour and actually start working at work and I miss all of this.
To comment about the topic though - We still do 1 night feeding. We have a rule where we feed after 6 hours of sleep. The pedi said she should be able to go 6-8 hours without eating.... and she does. As far as I'm concerned, Emily just needed a little encouragement to do this. We were one of the unlucky ones who were up every 45 min-1 hour for a very very long time until we started the sleep training at 4 months old. That sort of sleep is not only unhealthy for me but also her. I doubt she was every fully rested with a wake up schedule like that.
This. I'm not even sleep training and I'm still like
"What did my fingers do before they held you? What did my heart do with it's love?"
Ditto and LOL...That is why I pump before I go to bed... Then there is only like a 4 hour stretch maximum.
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you for this pic - awesome!
THANK YOU for saying this!!! I can't tell you how true this has been for me. Not that I was mommy dearest prior to this but I honestly think a string of more than 1-2 hours of sleep gives me the ability to function to a higher standard. I also realize the difficulty in doing the CIO method. No one on this board came to this decision lightly. That is very apparent.
Amen! I am the same way. If I don't know the subject matter or can't offer anything to the board I don't mess with it. It is non of my business. I don't know anything about the CIO method our DD has been STTN just fine. I do pray you ladies and little ones find a balance and have as little stress in the transition as possible. I'm sure it is more difficult on the Mom than on the LO. May you all be blessed with STTN babies real soon.
I'm just peeved that there is an assumption that everyone on our board got together and decided to let our babies cry and starve because we want to sleep. We didn't all come up with individual plans based on our doctors and own research. We're just cruel and stupid because our babies were born in September.
Had a crazy crazy day at work today so I'm REALLY late to the game here.
I'm going to have to check out the other thread to see what all was said to y'all.
We 'tried' a mild form of CIO and neither one of us could do it yet. WE caved fast. I wanted to cry myself...and that was about a month ago. DD is 5 months now and still waking up all the time at night. Not good for any of us so I'm been trying to see how sleep training is going for those doing it so that I have some idea of what's supposed to happen.
We haven't bought any books yet though. I just know that we have to do something. soon.
I commend you ladies sleep training already!
I didnt read all their judgemental responses, but did they say where the post was linked to? What crazies, get your own board.
If B wasn't a good sleeper I would definitely be sleep training. And Panda I was the one who posted about meeting a woman who slept with her 14 mo in his crib...I agree I definitely judged, and that is what we are preventing by teaching our kids good sleep habits now!
Ugh people annoy me.
While I also think under 6 months is to early to sleep train I'm totally miffed that they came to our board to judge!
We should figure out where they came from and return the favor.
Oh, and sleeping in the crib...yeah, I judge that! I'm all for bedsharing if that's what you need to do but come on, do it in the BED.
Ferber is not a full on CIO, it's a graduated check-in system. I'm reading his book right now and just wanted to clarify because I believe there are a lot of misconceptions when it comes to Ferber.
That being said, I have nothing against sleep training, as it comes in various forms and methods. I've been doing a lot of reading on different methods, but I'm just trying to ride out the 4MW for now. Parents do what is best for their family. I'm sorry, I know I'm mostly a lurker on this board, but I believe most of you are smart enough to be making the rich decisions, whatever they may be!!
Ladies popping over from other boards in an attempt to slap you on the hand is not cool.