Possible twins?!?

Blendedbliss · January 2012

So i have been heavilly sick, to the point my husband dragged me to the ER yesterday as i was started to throwing up blood, was put on zofran because of how severe it is.

they then did my hcg as i also had some spotting and they wanted to just check...

i am 5 weeks and 4 days, it was 34,000!!! which is insane. they have refered (sp..so tired) for a scan so am waiting now!!!

We are getting very scared and nervous that it may be twins!!

damabo80 · January 2012

auroraloo:

relax. Betas don't indicate twins, nor does the severity of your morning sickness.

Sorry your puking so much. I'm on zofran as well.

This.

Very early high betas (like 500 at 13dpo) can possibly be a result of multiples, but high betas + m/s do not equal for sure twins.

Krissersroro · January 2012

HCG levels do not indicate twins on any level. There's tons of women with high levels and have a singleton, and tons of women with very low levels and have multiples. The ONLY way to indicate multiples is by a ultrasound. So as of now, I wouldn't worry or even stress about it.

Blendedbliss · January 2012

actually even when i asked one of the nurses she did say alot of people with severe morning sickness do have more kids.

AND the higher your hcg is, the higher the chance of twins as its common sense to be honest two babies, more hormones!

skyejo · January 2012

We need a clicky poll on this--twins or no twins--and a follow up post.

Krissersroro · January 2012

Blendedbliss:
actually even when i asked one of the nurses she did say alot of people with severe morning sickness do have more kids.
AND the higher your hcg is, the higher the chance of twins as its common sense to be honest two babies, more hormones!

Actually, let me quote The American Pregnancy Association...

hCG is the hormone that is produced during pregnancy. Women who are carrying multiples may have increased levels of hCG; however, increased levels of hCG does not automatically indicate multiples. Further investigation would need to be done to verify the cause of a high hCG level.

skyejo · January 2012

kmroling:
Blendedbliss:

actually even when i asked one of the nurses she did say alot of people with severe morning sickness do have more kids.

AND the higher your hcg is, the higher the chance of twins as its common sense to be honest two babies, more hormones!

Actually, let me quote The American Pregnancy Association...

hCG is the hormone that is produced during pregnancy. Women who are carrying multiples may have increased levels of hCG; however, increased levels of hCG does not automatically indicate multiples. Further investigation would need to be done to verify the cause of a high hCG level.

::rolling applause::

Well done, my dear. Well done.

sjp · January 2012

Good luck either way--

I have had horrible m/s for both of my previous pregnancies--and off the chart HCG levels, once we had twins ( we lost one) --and the second time only one baby (happily healthy)--

the above posters are right--HCG and m/s on their own dont mean much.

damabo80 · January 2012

skyejo:
We need a clicky poll on this--twins or no twins--and a follow up post.

But only after the requsite c+p to the multiple boards and the statement "I ate a lot of yams".

sjp · January 2012

damabo80:
skyejo:
We need a clicky poll on this--twins or no twins--and a follow up post.
But only after the requsite c+p to the multiple boards and the statement "I ate a lot of yams".

HA HA HA!!

skyejo · January 2012

damabo80:
skyejo:
We need a clicky poll on this--twins or no twins--and a follow up post.
But only after the requsite c+p to the multiple boards and the statement "I ate a lot of yams".

There's still time for this to go down.

LegallyBlonde217 · January 2012

kmroling:

Actually, let me quote The American Pregnancy Association...

hCG is the hormone that is produced during pregnancy. Women who are carrying multiples may have increased levels of hCG; however, increased levels of hCG does not automatically indicate multiples. Further investigation would need to be done to verify the cause of a high hCG level.

B-b-but my hCG levels are high too so I already went out and bought two of everything. You mean I might not have twins in there?!? Crying

(Insert sarcastic font)

pawstech09 · January 2012

Want my expert opinion? I can quote about 200 other MoM's as well.

Ultrasound, only.

damabo80 · January 2012

pawstech09:

Want my expert opinion? I can quote about 200 other MoM's as well.

Ultrasound, only.

::gavel::

The tribe has spoken.

2poodles2Love · January 2012

Good luck either way, keep us posted!

MrsMDem · January 2012

damabo80:
pawstech09:

Want my expert opinion? I can quote about 200 other MoM's as well.

Ultrasound, only.

::gavel::

The tribe has spoken.

Love it.

IBackBevo · January 2012

There is a website called the beta base that has beta levels from tens of thousands of women and the beta levels due tend to be significantly higher on average in twin or triplet pregnancies than in singleton pregnancies. The median 30 day beta level for singleton pregnancies is a little over 15,000, for twin pregnancies it is over 28,000 and for "triplet and higher" pregnancies it is over 48,000. So, despite the mocking by the previous posters, there is some legitimacy to your thought process regarding HCG levels. It does not mean that you are definately having twins or that every person who has high levels is having two or more or every person that has low levels is only having one, but there is a correlation.

With respect to the m/s: Is this your first baby? If not, did you have severe m/s with your previous pregnancy or pregnancies? This purely anecdotal and really means nothing, but my Mother had little to no m/s with me but severe m/s lasting the entire pregnancy with my twin brothers.

I actually think the high hcg levels may mean more than the severe m/s.

Krissersroro · January 2012

IBackBevo:
There is a website called the beta base that has beta levels from tens of thousands of women and the beta levels due tend to be significantly higher on average in twin or triplet pregnancies than in singleton pregnancies. The median 30 day beta level for singleton pregnancies is a little over 15,000, for twin pregnancies it is over 28,000 and for "triplet and higher" pregnancies it is over 48,000. So, despite the mocking by the previous posters, there is some legitimacy to your thought process regarding HCG levels. It does not mean that you are definately having twins or that every person who has high levels is having two or more or every person that has low levels is only having one, but there is a correlation.

With respect to the m/s: Is this your first baby? If not, did you have severe m/s with your previous pregnancy or pregnancies? This purely anecdotal and really means nothing, but my Mother had little to no m/s with me but severe m/s lasting the entire pregnancy with my twin brothers.

I actually think the high hcg levels may mean more than the severe m/s.

A median is the middle number, not the average, and that's a BIG difference. Although that website is very interesting it still shows no valid proof. It also says the highest reported for 30 days for a singleton is 131,472, and also shows the lowest reported for 30 days for triplets is 6070. Which goes to show even more that it just such a broad amount that is really doesn't mean anything at all. And this is not a very large website, these numbers are based off a few thousand women at the most, which really isn't that much.

Areli71611 · January 2012

I've heard from several moms with twins that high number+severe m/s don't necessarily mean twins, one of those moms being a cousin of mine. M/s rode her hard during all 3 of her pregnancies, and her twin girls made her no sicker than her singleton boys did. Nor did she have especially high numbers with any of her pregnancies--in fact, her 1st boy gave her higher ones than any of her others did. It wasn't til her 9w u/s that she knew she had twins.

Either way, try to relax, and I hope everything turns out ok!!

isacdimi10 · January 2012

Blendedbliss:
actually even when i asked one of the nurses she did say alot of people with severe morning sickness do have more kids.
AND the higher your hcg is, the higher the chance of twins as its common sense to be honest two babies, more hormones!

common sense you are lacking...

Betas they are a good sign of a healthy pregnancy when they do the correct thing BUT they are not the be all end all of pregnancy... that would be (hopefully) labor or (unfortunately) miscarriage.

Your betas are to double in a 48-72 hour window. A lot of doctors will test again if it is closer to the latter time.

Betas do not alone indicate a multiple or singleton pregnancy. An ultrasound and birth are the only proven methods.

^^^^ this is because betas have a HUGE window for what is "normal" during every week. For example

So is am HCG of only 30 at 5 weeks normal? Could be or it could be the sign of something abnormal.

But what about me I'm 6 weeks and at my first draw was 35,000 I'm having twins right? statistically no you're probably not. If you are congrats but that number alone doesn't say you are obviously having twins.

My beta was 145 on day X and 2 days later it was 143 am I miscarrying? I don't know but unfortunately most likely yes. Your doctor should be speaking with you.

NUH-UH my neighbor's son's dogwalker's sister's cousin's second niece had her beta's go done and she has a baby! Well congrats... I too have experienced my betas drop and guess what my baby continued to grow. I was a rare case the best guess what my son had a twin or the other likely route (that no Dr or lab will admit) is they effed up my numbers when they sent the results. But this is extremely RARE.

My first baby I got betas and they dropped just barely in 48 hours, I began miscarrying two days later. Unfortunately this is the more likely scenario.

sjp · January 2012

kmroling:
IBackBevo:

There is a website called the beta base that has beta levels from tens of thousands of women and the beta levels due tend to be significantly higher on average in twin or triplet pregnancies than in singleton pregnancies. The median 30 day beta level for singleton pregnancies is a little over 15,000, for twin pregnancies it is over 28,000 and for "triplet and higher" pregnancies it is over 48,000. So, despite the mocking by the previous posters, there is some legitimacy to your thought process regarding HCG levels. It does not mean that you are definately having twins or that every person who has high levels is having two or more or every person that has low levels is only having one, but there is a correlation.

With respect to the m/s: Is this your first baby? If not, did you have severe m/s with your previous pregnancy or pregnancies? This purely anecdotal and really means nothing, but my Mother had little to no m/s with me but severe m/s lasting the entire pregnancy with my twin brothers.

I actually think the high hcg levels may mean more than the severe m/s.

A median is the middle number, not the average, and that's a BIG difference. Although that website is very interesting it still shows no valid proof. It also says the highest reported for 30 days for a singleton is 131,472, and also shows the lowest reported for 30 days for triplets is 6070. Which goes to show even more that it just such a broad amount that is really doesn't mean anything at all. And this is not a very large website, these numbers are based off a few thousand women at the most, which really isn't that much.

right AND I seriously wonder how many of the women self reporting actually charted and knew their exact dpo . . . one or two days off can change things drastically.

cheeky2424 · January 2012

oh boy.....someone hide this post from Tara!

Blendedbliss · January 2012

I asked this for some support as i needed it

I have a scan on the sole purpose of confirming how many babies there is, i didn't need some snotty people telling me that i am worrying over nothing.

so yeah thank for cheering me up *sarcasm*

and i thought this would be a nice board for help and support apparently not!!!!

Krissersroro · January 2012

Blendedbliss:
I asked this for some support as i needed it
I have a scan on the sole purpose of confirming how many babies there is, i didn't need some snotty people telling me that i am worrying over nothing.
so yeah thank for cheering me up *sarcasm*
and i thought this would be a nice board for help and support apparently not!!!!

Are you serious? Nobody was snarky to you until you replied being snarky because you weren't pleased with the responses you were getting.

Blendedbliss · January 2012

sorry if it came off snarky, i was just telling you what other people had said...

isacdimi10 · January 2012

Blendedbliss:
I asked this for some support as i needed it
I have a scan on the sole purpose of confirming how many babies there is, i didn't need some snotty people telling me that i am worrying over nothing.
so yeah thank for cheering me up *sarcasm*
and i thought this would be a nice board for help and support apparently not!!!!

oh you're welcome it's my specialty!

also ridiculously high numbers (which yours are not) can also caused by molar pregnancies. And while I certainly would not wish that on anyone it is another reason they're doing the ultrasound, not just because ZOMG it might be twinz!!!

Do your research.

IBackBevo · January 2012

OP - I am sorry that you did not get the support you needed and I hope you stick around. I hope that you get your answer soon and that all is okay with you and your baby or babies.

mchupie · January 2012

isacdimi10:
Blendedbliss:
I asked this for some support as i needed it
I have a scan on the sole purpose of confirming how many babies there is, i didn't need some snotty people telling me that i am worrying over nothing.
so yeah thank for cheering me up *sarcasm*
and i thought this would be a nice board for help and support apparently not!!!!

oh you're welcome it's my specialty!
also ridiculously high numbers (which yours are not) can also caused by molar pregnancies. And while I certainly would not wish that on anyone it is another reason they're doing the ultrasound, not just because ZOMG it might be twinz!!!
Do your research.

Yeah I was going to say this, too, but didn't want to scare her Wink

No need to be so defensive, OP. People are just trying to give you some information. I hope everything is okay in there. GL.

IBackBevo · January 2012

sjp:
kmroling:
IBackBevo:

There is a website called the beta base that has beta levels from tens of thousands of women and the beta levels due tend to be significantly higher on average in twin or triplet pregnancies than in singleton pregnancies. The median 30 day beta level for singleton pregnancies is a little over 15,000, for twin pregnancies it is over 28,000 and for "triplet and higher" pregnancies it is over 48,000. So, despite the mocking by the previous posters, there is some legitimacy to your thought process regarding HCG levels. It does not mean that you are definately having twins or that every person who has high levels is having two or more or every person that has low levels is only having one, but there is a correlation.

With respect to the m/s: Is this your first baby? If not, did you have severe m/s with your previous pregnancy or pregnancies? This purely anecdotal and really means nothing, but my Mother had little to no m/s with me but severe m/s lasting the entire pregnancy with my twin brothers.

I actually think the high hcg levels may mean more than the severe m/s.

A median is the middle number, not the average, and that's a BIG difference. Although that website is very interesting it still shows no valid proof. It also says the highest reported for 30 days for a singleton is 131,472, and also shows the lowest reported for 30 days for triplets is 6070. Which goes to show even more that it just such a broad amount that is really doesn't mean anything at all. And this is not a very large website, these numbers are based off a few thousand women at the most, which really isn't that much.

right AND I seriously wonder how many of the women self reporting actually charted and knew their exact dpo . . . one or two days off can change things drastically.

Actually, that isn't entirely accurate. I've taken graduate courses in statistics before and calling the median the "middle" number is an over simplification For example, on Day 30 for singletons, 15,337 was the "median." 224 was the lowest reported number and 131,472 was the highest reported number. If you looked for simply the "middle" number, it would be 65,624 and not 15,337. And the median, just like the mean, is an important number in considering statistics. It is frequently used and cited in medical research, behavioral research, academic research, etc.

Now I 100% agree with the comment/criticim regarding self-reporting and people not knowing what DPO they are on throwing off the statistics. However, I would think that this would be consistent throughout all of the different reporting groups. In other words, twin pregnancies or triplet pregnancies would not be more likely than singleton pregnancies to miscalculate their day of ovulation. And with respect to the criticism regarding sample size and how many DPO a person is, that same criticism holds true for the anecdotal accounts on this board.

mrsz2008 · January 2012

isacdimi10:
Blendedbliss:
I asked this for some support as i needed it
I have a scan on the sole purpose of confirming how many babies there is, i didn't need some snotty people telling me that i am worrying over nothing.
so yeah thank for cheering me up *sarcasm*
and i thought this would be a nice board for help and support apparently not!!!!

oh you're welcome it's my specialty!
also ridiculously high numbers (which yours are not) can also caused by molar pregnancies. And while I certainly would not wish that on anyone it is another reason they're doing the ultrasound, not just because ZOMG it might be twinz!!!
Do your research.

I thought the same thing, based on numbers alone, your doctor isn't doing an u/s JUST for finding out the head count in your ute.

LeslieParr28 · January 2012

I'm so sorry some of these women were so rude and insulting to you!! And to think you were only seeking support

I wish you luck and will be looking for your update about the u/s!

FreyaWin2382 · January 2012

mchupie:
isacdimi10:
Blendedbliss:
I asked this for some support as i needed it
I have a scan on the sole purpose of confirming how many babies there is, i didn't need some snotty people telling me that i am worrying over nothing.
so yeah thank for cheering me up *sarcasm*
and i thought this would be a nice board for help and support apparently not!!!!

oh you're welcome it's my specialty!
also ridiculously high numbers (which yours are not) can also caused by molar pregnancies. And while I certainly would not wish that on anyone it is another reason they're doing the ultrasound, not just because ZOMG it might be twinz!!!
Do your research.
Yeah I was going to say this, too, but didn't want to scare her
No need to be so defensive, OP. People are just trying to give you some information. I hope everything is okay in there. GL.

Agreed. And OP, I didn't really see any snotty posts....more people giving you answers and explanations using facts. GL and hope everything is okay, no matter what's going on, throwing up sucks.

Areli71611 · January 2012

Blendedbliss:
I asked this for some support as i needed it
I have a scan on the sole purpose of confirming how many babies there is, i didn't need some snotty people telling me that i am worrying over nothing.
so yeah thank for cheering me up *sarcasm*
and i thought this would be a nice board for help and support apparently not!!!!

This p!sses me off. I know 1st hand just how supportive these ladies are--I got a lot of support and encouragement just within the past 24 hrs while having a scare. So they didn't feed into your faulty logic that you're obviously having twins based on high numbers and being sick; get over yourself.

You didn't get any snotty responses until you came back with a, "Nu-uh! My nurse said..." after you got very supportive and honest comments. And I haven't read the rest of the responses yet, but I'm sure you've gotten a ton of snark with this comment.

Grow up.

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