June 2011 Moms

I think it's sleep training time...

I just cannot do another night like last night.  If DH and I were working the same shift, I suppose it wouldn't be so bad, but most nights, I go it alone since he's on third.  I didn't go to bed until about midnight because, thanks to her daytime napping strike, I had a ton of stuff (i.e. her laundry) to get done that I would typically do while she naps.  She had been sleeping soundly that whole time.  As soon as I went to bed a few minutes after minute, she started.  I let her go a lot bit, she got worse, so finally I went to get her out of the crib and for the next two hours, she was wide awak while I wanted nothing more than to sleep.  She finally went down shortly after 2, I went up to bed.  At some point at least 30 minutes later, I heard her on the monitor starting to cry again, I think I just passed out from exhaustion because next think you know, it's 5:30 and my alarm is going off.  In my defense...she was babbling between cries...but still.  I need to figure out this sleep thing because this is exhausting me!

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Re: I think it's sleep training time...

  • That is brutal! J always had a knack for waking as soon as my head hit the pillow, it was uncanny and really frustrating!

    I knew we had to do something when he went from waking once a night to waking every 2-3 hours all night long, after not doing that for almost 4 months. Not in a growth spurt and not sick. He's a different baby now that he can nap AND go to bed well! Stella will get it too! =)

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  • I'm having a similar issue. I don't know what to do and I don't really feel confident that DD would benefit from sleep training. She's a very intense baby and I don't think she would give in to any of the methods I've read about. I don't know though. DH thinks she'll "outgrow" it but I'm really exhausted.
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    I'm having a similar issue. I don't know what to do and I don't really feel confident that DD would benefit from sleep training. She's a very intense baby and I don't think she would give in to any of the methods I've read about. I don't know though. DH thinks she'll "outgrow" it but I'm really exhausted.

    OMG! This is where I am at with DS.  I've probably read every sleep book I can find and am not confident in any of them.  I am going to try doing either Ferber or Good Night Sleep Tight this weekend.  I'm trying to decide which method I think will actually work.  All I know is that I'm exhausted and something has got to give.

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  • imagemarch2008:
    I'm having a similar issue. I don't know what to do and I don't really feel confident that DD would benefit from sleep training. ...DH thinks she'll "outgrow" it...

    I have been there, done it all.  A started sleeping horribly around 10 weeks.  This lasted until she was 5.5 months when we finally gave in to sleep training.  I was one of those that said exactly what you just said.  It's not right for us, she'll grow out of it, she'll sleep when she's ready.... Honestly, I feel kind of silly now, but the truth was that I wasn't ready.  I didn't want to sleep train.  I didn't want to listen to her cry.

    In actuality, sleep is not typically something we just figure out or grow into.  Sleep is a skill.  For some, it comes naturally.  For others, it must be learned.  At this age, I believe our babies are more than ready to learn this skill.  I know I now have a much happier baby because it.

    Brandy, for us sleep training = the BEST decision we have ever made regarding our child

    I will never tell anyone to "just let them cio."  That used to annoy the crap out of me.  However, I do strongly suggest sleep training.  No Cry... did not work for us.  I was too much at my wits' end and (as a working mother) did not have the patience to stick with the many, many vague tips Pantley gives.  I have heard excellent things about both Good Night Sleep Tight and of course, the ever controversial Ferber.  We went with a form of cio where she gets ten minutes to work it out any time (not progressive, but not extinction either) before intervening.  Since the first week or two, she's hasn't  needed intervention.  She goes to sleep better on her own than being held.  On average, she has been sleeping 8-9 hours at night before waking to eat and going back down for another hour or two.  We used for naps also, and those have also improved dramatically!

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  • I'm so in love with Dr. Ferber right now - I was hesitant to do any CIO methods, but it really wasn't as traumatic as I feared. You'll want to read most of the book before you do the progressive waiting method - he only recommends that if LO has poor sleep associations, which was our problem.

    It's really made such a difference, my DS was waking 4-5 times a night, and then taking 4-5 short naps to make up for the lost sleep. Now he's mostly STTN, waking up happy, and taking 2 short naps and one long nap per day, on a pretty regular schedule. It's so wonderful!

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  • Another positive sleep training by Ferber testimonial here.  I am so glad that we bit the bullet and did it and I'm kicking myself for not doing it sooner.  C is so much happier now and easier to put down for naps and everything.

    Pre Sleep Training:  We had to bounce her on a bouncy ball until completely asleep every single time she woke up, she was still swaddled for night time sleep and she used a pacifier to fall asleep.  She would wake up anywhere from 3-10 times a night and putting her back to sleep could take just one quick bounce or two hours of entertaining and bouncing her.

    Post sleep traning: She slept through the night for the first time ever on night 3... I was amazed.  The first night was rough, she took 20 minutes to fall asleep and then woke up at 1:30, fussed/cried until 2, slept for half an hour and then fussed/cried for another hour.  Then she didn't wake up until 8.  Amazing.  The next night, she didn't cry AT ALL when we laid her down to sleep and she only woke up once, at 5 to eat, and then went back down for another 3 hours. 

    Fast forward to naps... we still bounce her to sleep sometimes, and sometimes we lay her down and she just falls asleep on her own or after 5 min of fussing. 

     It has been the best decision we ever made and I HIGHLY suggest picking up Ferber's book and reading it.  I think he has a bad stigma attached to his name and even if you don't wind up using his method I think it would be a great idea to read the book anyways because it has a lot of great information on sleep in general.

      
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  • Ha!  In re-reading my post obviously I'm exhausted judging by the amount of typos!!  I got the No Cry book about a month ago and haven't really opened it.  I downloaded a free preview of Ferber during the nighttime battle and briefly read that.  I think I may just download the whole thing and read what he has to say.
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    got the No Cry book about a month ago and haven't really opened it. .

    It has good sleep info, but honestly, I'd go with Ferber over it.

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    I have been there, done it all.  A started sleeping horribly around 10 weeks.  This lasted until she was 5.5 months when we finally gave in to sleep training.  I was one of those that said exactly what you just said.  It's not right for us, she'll grow out of it, she'll sleep when she's ready.... Honestly, I feel kind of silly now, but the truth was that I wasn't ready.  I didn't want to sleep train.  I didn't want to listen to her cry.

    That is me. I didn't feel ready, but after this post, you guys have sold me. I think we are planning to start it on Friday. Wish us luck.
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  • I have to say Ferber has been a life saver.  I was really nervous but by day 3 we had no crying at all.  We're still trying to get her to space out her middle of the night bottle, which will take some crying, but other than that, amazing.  The last few nights I've heard her wake up on the monitor and by the time I roll over to look she's put herself back to sleep again.
  • We used the Sleepeasy Solution (sleepyplanet.com) which is a progressive-waiting approach. Our library had this book and didn't have Ferber, that's basically why I chose it.

    I have a strong-willed, dare I say, stubborn child so I thought he would cry for HOURS (the book says average of one hour the first night). I was nervous trying to decide when would be "enough" to quit for the night. MUCH to my surprise, he cried intermittently for 26 minutes the first night, 6 the second.

    I was over the moon, and it really reinforced to me that he was ready (he was 5.5 months)... I love the authors of that book and owe my sanity to them!

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  • For those that have had so much success, how do you handle naps? Same way? Or different? Thanks!
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    For those that have had so much success, how do you handle naps? Same way? Or different? Thanks!

    Yes, we did naps the same way. For a few days he was crying quite a bit when we first put him down - usually not more than 10 minutes though. Ferber says if he hasn't gone to sleep in 30 minutes, just pick him up and skip that nap. I don't think I ever let him go that long though, usually if he fussed more than 10 minutes it meant he wasn't tired, he was actually hungry or something. 

    But, before sleep training his naps were kind of all over the place, so I was never quite sure when he was going to nap. In the last few days he's gotten on a really regular schedule, and he's very easy to put down at his regular nap times.

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  • imageJavaVino910:
    For those that have had so much success, how do you handle naps? Same way? Or different? Thanks!

    We just started Ferber last week so we did night training first.  We haven't neccesarily started with naps but I have done the progressive wait thing the last two days and it has been hit or miss.  She has cried for 30 min (the limit for naps with Ferbers book) and so she has missed that nap but then fallen asleep while playing after that.

      
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    Another positive sleep training by Ferber testimonial here.  I am so glad that we bit the bullet and did it and I'm kicking myself for not doing it sooner.  C is so much happier now and easier to put down for naps and everything.

    Pre Sleep Training:  We had to bounce her on a bouncy ball until completely asleep every single time she woke up, she was still swaddled for night time sleep and she used a pacifier to fall asleep.  She would wake up anywhere from 3-10 times a night and putting her back to sleep could take just one quick bounce or two hours of entertaining and bouncing her.

    Post sleep traning: She slept through the night for the first time ever on night 3... I was amazed.  The first night was rough, she took 20 minutes to fall asleep and then woke up at 1:30, fussed/cried until 2, slept for half an hour and then fussed/cried for another hour.  Then she didn't wake up until 8.  Amazing.  The next night, she didn't cry AT ALL when we laid her down to sleep and she only woke up once, at 5 to eat, and then went back down for another 3 hours. 

    Fast forward to naps... we still bounce her to sleep sometimes, and sometimes we lay her down and she just falls asleep on her own or after 5 min of fussing. 

     It has been the best decision we ever made and I HIGHLY suggest picking up Ferber's book and reading it.  I think he has a bad stigma attached to his name and even if you don't wind up using his method I think it would be a great idea to read the book anyways because it has a lot of great information on sleep in general.

    Exactly this.  I gave in a month ago.  Being honest, the first night was awful.  The second night wasn't that bad.  The third, DS slept from 8-7 and has ever since!!!  It is without a doubt one of the best decisions we have made.  

     DS also babbles in his sleep a lot.  I had to turn our monitor all the down so that I wouldn't be up listening to him.  I can still hear him when he cries but not when he is babbling.  That might not work for you, but it definitely helped us out a lot. 

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  • We worked on naps about a week after starting bedtime. We do basically the same thing- dark room, quiet routine, white noise, down drowsy. He went from being a sh!tty napper to a pretty good one!

    He's always napped at daycare (I was so jealous!), so they don't follow the same routine as we do when he's home.

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