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FBI came back
I'm a mess. He said "one last question, my boss wants me to get a copy of Brooke's birth cert."
Ummm, my husband is a disorganized mess and is in charge of all papers. I have NO idea where it is! So he comes in and waits while I scramble around our house looking. No luck. And I can't get BT on the phone. But when I do get him, he's pissed. And tells me it's in the upstairs closet 'somewhere' lord knows where! So he leaves his meetings in Houston and is on his way home now. I'm a wreck. Tears flowing. Where the heck is it?? My house is a mess now because I'm still looking. He wants Michael to call him when he finds it. He says he lives in circle c so he can come by anytime. I'm freaking out and want to scream!!! This is so unreal!
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Re: FBI came back
Now that seems odd. I'm not sure I would give it.
Oh sweetie, (((Bug hugs)))!!!
Deep breaths - it's really, really going to be okay. This is a formality - it doesn't mean anything. They already know the truth - they just have to cover their bases and document every little thing. You and your DH will find it, give them a copy, and that will be the end of it.
When 3 Became 4
Oh wow, I'm really sorry. What an insane situation!
I'm sure it's just a formality. Could you get a badge number or something and call some central location to verify everything before you hand it over, just for your own piece of mind?
This. Is there somebody you can call to make sure this guy is legit?
I'm sure he meant, he could come by and pick it up after business hours if necessary, so as not to put the KK family out any further. It doesn't seem all that odd to me, but I'm in the industry and know several agents who live all over Austin.
However, KK, when you find it if it is still during business hours, call him at his office just to be safe, and let him know you've found it. If he's not there, be sure to leave a message with whomever answers the phone, which will help verify that he does work there and is assigned this case to follow up.
When 3 Became 4
oh, that sucks but try to stay calm. You know she's yours so you don't have anything to worry about, they won't just yank her from you. Like others have said, they are just being thorough and if it was your DD that was missing you would want them to do that too.
Also y'all are doing good if you actually have her BC. I didn't order DD's until I needed it when she played soccer and I haven't ordered DS's.
Yikes - like PP mentioned - have you called to confirm that this person is legit? I'd double check that, *just in case*. I've watched too many movies I think.
Do you have a copy on your computer (like if you had to scan it to provide to insurance, etc)? Is your mom able to hang around with you - that is so scary?!
If I were you, I'd stop letting this person into your home. It's upsetting to you. He has an office, use it. Deal with him professionally at an official space instead of in your home, it will make you feel more powerful.
Find his card and call the office to verify that he's official. Or call your local authorities and ask for assistance.
Get a copy of the birth certificate (you can go to 1100 West 49th Street
Austin, TX 78756 and pick one up today) and then take it to the FBI office.
She is your daughter, they are not going to take her away from you. It will be okay.
But, really, I'd stop letting a stranger into your home. Even if he's legit (and he probably is), it appears to be upsetting and violating to you and you don't have to do it.
ETA: I absolutely wouldn't hand over a birth certificate to someone who showed up at my door and claimed to be FBI, without independently verifying his identity using information not provided by him (so don't call numbers on anything he's given you like his card, call the local FBI or police and ask for help).
This is great advice.
I also agree - this is great advice.
I agree with this. Also want to really stress the bolded. I know this is really stressful and upsetting, but she is your daughter so the most this will be is an inconvenience, right? Chin up
Do you definitely have her birth certificate? I have never ordered Liv's. So unless y'all know you ordered and received one, you may not have it. And everyone above had great advice.
(((Hugs)))
No. Absolutely DO NOT give it to him. Call the local field office (there is one here in town--look it up in the white pages or online) and verify that this person is an actual agent before giving over any documents. Look it up yourself, don't rely on any number he might give you. Chances are he is legit, but better safe than sorry, ESPECIALLY if you are handing over copies of documents. PLEASE verify he is an actual agent before doing anything else.
And don't let him into your home anymore until he checks out. PLEASE.
It'll be okay. Nothing is going to happen. She is your daughter and will not be take away from you.
**hugs**
I completely agree about not letting him in again. There is no reason he has to keep coming to your house. He could call you and ask for anything additional he needs, to keep showing up unexpected when you're obviously upset by it seems unprofessional at best.
I'd follow the advice of the pps. Call the main office and arrange to drop it off there. Hopefully that will be the end of it.
I'm so sorry you're dealing with this!
MC, you need to stop letting him into your home. He is probably legit, but he got to wait around unsupervised while you were running around trying to find a document...not something that would make me feel safe!
taffy has GREAT advice - I'd follow that and make sure that you verify he is who he says he is [just googling, I found an FBI office in San Antonio, but not an Austin one] and stop letting him into your home without a search warrant. [[hugs]] it will all be okay!!
What the fvck, dude!?!?
No, do not give this person a copy of B's birth certificate. Do not let him into your home again.
Isn't there a lawyer on here who knows more about this kind of thing? I feel like in order for the FBI or any kind of law enforcement to request such a document, they need to have a warrant or subpoena or court order or something of the like.
Why the hell is the FBI tracing a tip in Austin? This is very weird and frankly, something smells stinky in Denmark.
KK, you need to consult an attorney. Seriously.
Also, stop posting this stuff on here. It's searchable. If this is legit, you need to keep this off the Internet.
Just my two cents. Admittedly I watch way too much CSI, NCIS, Law & Order, etc.
Ditto. And big hugs.
definitely only deal with him in his office. Something seems awfully suspicious... they can search public records to see the record of your daughter's birth why ask you? The police and FBI can find anything. Seems very strange. But do trust in that you have nothing to hide.
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My issue would be handing over an important legal document to some dude who comes to the door claiming to be FBI, especially since it wasn't clear earlier that she'd verified his identity. If it were me, I'd be happy to hand over a birth certificate to a uniformed officer at a police station or official FBI office to help the case. It just seems to be a safer option to go to a known office than to hand out documents to strangers or invite them into my home.
I agree and I've been trying to keep my mouth shut but I can't anymore. I think it's amazing how everyone here is so concerned and looking out for KK and her family. But my honest opinion is that everyone should just relax a little bit. Trust me that I'm not trying to downplay this in the least. I know how serious it is, and believe it or not, I am very compassionate to the feelings of people I have to contact and investigate in my job.
Many of you don't know KK but I do. She is a very intelligent woman, and never said anything on here about not trusting who this guy is. I have been in contact with her off the board and am confident that she knows what she is doing. She did her homework and feels confident in this man and his purpose. If she wants to let him into her house, wait while she changes clothes and hand over her daughter's BC, it's her and her husband's decision. l can assure you that she's not making it lightly. Trust me, I think It's great that everyone is so discerning and cautious and in general giving great advice. But I also recognize that in KK's highly charged posts, a TON of details were left out, understandably so, and with all of our media-fueled experience and knowledge we immediately fill in the gaps through our own worst-case scenario imaginations. The truth is, none of us were there when this agent was at her house and we don't know exactly what was said and there's no way to expect KK to remember every single detail of her conversations with him.
Any law enforcement officer has the right to come to your house, request entry, request that you furnish any documents that he/she feels are necessary to the investigation. Again, you do NOT have to consent to any of it. But you can if you want. Sure he can get this information other ways. Other ways that entail a lot more legwork and tying up valuable resources, so what's the harm in asking for it the easiest way first? KK believes this man is who he says he is, and she and her husband have decided to agree to cooperate with his investigation to get it over with as quickly as possible. I see no point in berating her and beating the horse of verifying this "suspicious" man, and telling her that she should not cooperate with him, when she's already said she did that and she knows he is legit.
And FTR, there IS an FBI office in Austin. It's called a satellite office, which is smaller than a Field Office (which is in SA). There are a dozen or so agents that work there and live in the Austin area. The FBI is the national Police Department, essentially. They have jurisdiction in any city and state in the country. In a case of this magnitude, they are the agency that investigates the multitudes of leads, wherever they come from. It's not at all unreasonable that a local agent in Austin Texas follow up a lead that originated here.
When 3 Became 4
I don't disagree with you...just making the point once she further clarified his ID, that there's no good reason (in my eyes) not to cooperate. If it were my child missing, I would hope that people would cooperate as much as possible so they can quickly work through all leads (assuming they don't really KNOW what happened to their kid...)
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I personally didn't see it as people berating her, more just concerned for her well being. I saw it as people trying to look out for her with the limited information they had about the situation.