Seriously? Apple Juice Flames?

inthewater · October 2011

First, Thank you to those that helped to figure out how much BM we need to give our LO so that she gets the nutrition and health benefits she needs while I'm away.

However, I asked about how much BM my husband should thaw out each day I have to be away for a work trip and in there I said my LO gets apple juice, per pedi. There are a few things that I can't believe with this - 1 only two people tried to answer the question - which was nice and most appreciative. The rest got stuck on apple juice. Seriously?! FYI my Pedi is awesome - specializes in neonatal and was my brother's and my pedi when I was little. I would listen to him way before I get non-medical advice considering that I've known him for over 20 yrs. He's got to be doing something right.

Posting on here is supposed to be helpful and the flames regarding diets that our Pedis have put our children on is silly. If you have three Pedi's, you'll have three different ideas of what you should and should not do.

For those that flamed - FYI, my LO is healthy, happy, not sick, loves to eat her new solids, doesn't get consitpated, is of healthy weight and healthy height - I'd say we're doing something right if she has been sleeping through the night since 7 weeks, Oh and tall and skinny from what I said about her is in the 90th percentile for height and 75th for weight. 99% of the time she's in a great mood and 99% of the time healthy (you have to account for the couple minor colds - where she was STILL happy and playful).

Sorry - I was really trying to get help and all I got were flames from those that I assume do not have over 30 years in the pediatric field regarding apple juice!

aeklotz · October 2011

Id have to agree with you...i am not a fan of people who judge others. We are all going to raise our babies differently and all doctors are different. I mentioned to another mom at work that i was having issues getting dd to nap. She asked if i asked the dr and i said i hadnt because not all babies nap and im not worried. Well she freaked and told me to call asap and said her dr said to let her dd cry it out till she napped...im not ok with that, but i just noddled politely and said im glad it worked for her.

katie4253 · October 2011

I didn't see your OP, but juice is a pretty common rec. for babies with backed up bowels. I don't know why people would freak out about that. It isn't like you are giving juice in lieu of bm.

People are weird. Don't let them get you riled up.

Gina418 · October 2011

Don't take it to heart - I was once flamed for saying I let my toddler eat Kraft singles - THE HORROR!!! Surprise

I didn't see the original post - why does your doc recommend apple juice? (Not looking to flame/judge, just curious!)

inthewater · October 2011

Thank you all!

Gina 418 - Oh no - Kraft singles!! How could you! ;-P

My DH usually takes LO to the pedi. At her 4 month she was 90th percentile height and 90th for weight. She was also already starting to show interest in what we were eating. So, I think because of that the pedi wanted to have her start cereal. He said in order to gently introduce cereal, to start off with apple and white grape juice - but don't give her more than 10 oz a day. If that went well for two weeks, move to oatmeal and rice cereal. At least that's what DH said. But in my experience, as much as the guys try, they can also be a black hole for the full details.

mari_gold · October 2011

A little defensive, aren't we? I just read the original post and there was only one response that could *maybe* be considered flaming.

And anyway, I think it's how much juice your pedi recommended that caught people by surprise, not the juice in and of itself. 10 oz. is quite a bit. But if it's working for you, great -- by all means, keep it up. Juice isn't poison.

tokenhoser · October 2011

According to the nutritionist I saw this week, adults aren't supposed to have more than 6 oz of juice a day. So I give the side-eye to any doctor that would allow 10 oz of apple juice for a baby. Kids are supposed to have 4 oz or less, and honestly, there is no value to giving it to a baby.

That's not a flame. That's a gentle suggestion to further research what you're feeding your infant. A pedi is not trained in infant nutrition, they're trained in treating disease.

JNBrickey · October 2011

My mom's office (she works at a hospital) is next to a nutritionist's and she doesn't even recommend juice for adults because it's empty calories. The thinking is - why not just eat the fruit?

Ten ounces does seem like a lot to me. When my friend's LO was sixish weeks old their pedi had them give him prune juice to help his bowel's along. That made me internally keysmash - I would never ever have done that, despite pedi recommendation. That being said I didn't tell her not to or judge her for it. It's not poison. What's best for my baby isn't best for yours, vice versa, yada yada.

Your post title makes me imagine apple juice on fire. I like the visual.

jenm53 · October 2011

with you 100%. The flames are ridiculous! I did not read your original post, but I can understand how you might feel. Don't let the flamers bother you

hepcats · October 2011

tokenhoser:
According to the nutritionist I saw this week, adults aren't supposed to have more than 6 oz of juice a day. So I give the side-eye to any doctor that would allow 10 oz of apple juice for a baby. Kids are supposed to have 4 oz or less, and honestly, there is no value to giving it to a baby.
That's not a flame. That's a gentle suggestion to further research what you're feeding your infant. A pedi is not trained in infant nutrition, they're trained in treating disease.

Not a flame but an honest question: I keep seeing people saying pedis aren't child sleep experts, pedis aren't baby experts, pedis aren't trained in infant nutrition. Well what the hell good are they if we can't go to someone who paid sh*t tons of money to go to umpteen years of schooling (I wanna say they have to go longer than regular doctors) to become a baby doctor if we can't ask them questions about our baby? lol I'm just sayin, is all I'm sayin

tokenhoser · October 2011

hepcats:
tokenhoser:
According to the nutritionist I saw this week, adults aren't supposed to have more than 6 oz of juice a day. So I give the side-eye to any doctor that would allow 10 oz of apple juice for a baby. Kids are supposed to have 4 oz or less, and honestly, there is no value to giving it to a baby.
That's not a flame. That's a gentle suggestion to further research what you're feeding your infant. A pedi is not trained in infant nutrition, they're trained in treating disease.
Not a flame but an honest question: I keep seeing people saying pedis aren't child sleep experts, pedis aren't baby experts, pedis aren't trained in infant nutrition. Well what the hell good are they if we can't go to someone who paid sh*t tons of money to go to umpteen years of schooling (I wanna say they have to go longer than regular doctors) to become a baby doctor if we can't ask them questions about our baby? lol I'm just sayin, is all I'm sayin

Like I said, they are experts in disease in children. If my child is sick, I want to see a doctor. If I want to know what to feed my child, I want to ask someone that actually got a degree in that.

landosmommy · October 2011

tokenhoser:
hepcats:
tokenhoser:

According to the nutritionist I saw this week, adults aren't supposed to have more than 6 oz of juice a day. So I give the side-eye to any doctor that would allow 10 oz of apple juice for a baby. Kids are supposed to have 4 oz or less, and honestly, there is no value to giving it to a baby.

That's not a flame. That's a gentle suggestion to further research what you're feeding your infant. A pedi is not trained in infant nutrition, they're trained in treating disease.

Not a flame but an honest question: I keep seeing people saying pedis aren't child sleep experts, pedis aren't baby experts, pedis aren't trained in infant nutrition. Well what the hell good are they if we can't go to someone who paid sh*t tons of money to go to umpteen years of schooling (I wanna say they have to go longer than regular doctors) to become a baby doctor if we can't ask them questions about our baby? lol I'm just sayin, is all I'm sayin

Like I said, they are experts in disease in children. If my child is sick, I want to see a doctor. If I want to know what to feed my child, I want to ask someone that actually got a degree in that.

Hmmmm do you take your LO to all of their regular check-ups?? Or do you only take them to the pedi if they are SICK???

courtneydawn08 · October 2011

tokenhoser:
hepcats:
tokenhoser:
According to the nutritionist I saw this week, adults aren't supposed to have more than 6 oz of juice a day. So I give the side-eye to any doctor that would allow 10 oz of apple juice for a baby. Kids are supposed to have 4 oz or less, and honestly, there is no value to giving it to a baby.
That's not a flame. That's a gentle suggestion to further research what you're feeding your infant. A pedi is not trained in infant nutrition, they're trained in treating disease.
Not a flame but an honest question: I keep seeing people saying pedis aren't child sleep experts, pedis aren't baby experts, pedis aren't trained in infant nutrition. Well what the hell good are they if we can't go to someone who paid sh*t tons of money to go to umpteen years of schooling (I wanna say they have to go longer than regular doctors) to become a baby doctor if we can't ask them questions about our baby? lol I'm just sayin, is all I'm sayin
Like I said, they are experts in disease in children. If my child is sick, I want to see a doctor. If I want to know what to feed my child, I want to ask someone that actually got a degree in that.

I mostly lurk and don't post much. I need to say, though, that pediatrics is defined as a branch of medicine dealing with the development, care, and diseases of children. At some point, all parents need to start feeding their children something other than breastmilk and/or formula, but the vast majority are not going to visit a nutritionist before doing so. The next best thing is a pediatrician or other medical professional they trust who is providing primary care for that particular child.

kaeti_su · October 2011

FYI, sleeping through the night probably has nothing to do with you and everything to do with your baby. Don't be so smug about it.

kcisthebombdotcom · October 2011

Pedis are known to give old-school advice.

The current recommendation from the American Academy of Pediatrics is no more than 4-6oz a day. Juice causes cavities and is completely unnecessary if your child will eat fruit. It can actually cause malnutriotion when given to infants. For my tall, thin kids, we went with more nutritious choices like avocado for calories/fat.

Looks like your doctor who has been in practice for 30 years is still giving advice from 30 years ago. Just because she's happy and at an average weight doesn't make your pedi right. Anyone I know that gave juice in that frequency as an infant couldnt get their toddler to drink water, which should be the bulk of their liquid consumption. You're starting down a really bad path for when she is on mostly solids/water in the future.

https://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/pediatrics;107/5/1210

katie4253 · October 2011

hepcats:
tokenhoser:
According to the nutritionist I saw this week, adults aren't supposed to have more than 6 oz of juice a day. So I give the side-eye to any doctor that would allow 10 oz of apple juice for a baby. Kids are supposed to have 4 oz or less, and honestly, there is no value to giving it to a baby.
That's not a flame. That's a gentle suggestion to further research what you're feeding your infant. A pedi is not trained in infant nutrition, they're trained in treating disease.
Not a flame but an honest question: I keep seeing people saying pedis aren't child sleep experts, pedis aren't baby experts, pedis aren't trained in infant nutrition. Well what the hell good are they if we can't go to someone who paid sh*t tons of money to go to umpteen years of schooling (I wanna say they have to go longer than regular doctors) to become a baby doctor if we can't ask them questions about our baby? lol I'm just sayin, is all I'm sayin

I think the issue is less about then "being experts" and more about them not continuing to learn/stay educated/current on recommendations and research. My MIL is constantly asking me if we are doing things that were recommended 30 years ago: sleep on belly, drink water, drink juice, start rice cereal at 2 months, keep awake (she thinks he sleeps too much), tv is good for babies because they learn from tv, etc. So, a lot of times they give inaccurate/dated info.

tokenhoser · October 2011

landosmommy:
Hmmmm do you take your LO to all of their regular check-ups?? Or do you only take them to the pedi if they are SICK???

We don't go to a pedi at all. We go to a family doctor. Most well-baby visits are actually done by a health nurse where I live. Pedi's have better things to do than weight babies and answer stupid questions about juice.

Ivana_Stolichnaya · October 2011

Bottom line, apple juice will not kill a child. Don't let the comments get you down. Shlt happens here on the Bump, I'd like to say that everyone here will be nice and give supportive feed back but that unfortunately is just not the case around here. What you have are a bunch of judgy internet tough guys who feel safe behind their screens and they're going to unload on you in full-force. Just take it and let it roll off. If you come back with your gloves on it's just going to go well, I've seen plenty of newbs crying foul and they're only met with more hostility.

That being said, I've seen far worse liquids put in baby bottles. I had to crack down on my MIL putting that red Gatoraide in my daughter's sippy the other day when we have plenty of healthier options in the cupboards. She couldn't figure out that Gatoraide has a lot of sodium, sugar and food coloring in it...crap that I don't think is necessary in a toddler's beverage.

MommaG123 · October 2011

A. You posted your first post on the 6-9 mo board, not the 3-6 mo board(this one).

B. I read your first post and there was no one flaming you, several answered your question and said they would be concerned if their pedi recommended that much juice for a 6 month old.

desdemona39 · October 2011

KC_13:
Pedis are known to give old-school advice.

The current recommendation from the American Academy of Pediatrics is no more than 4-6oz a day. Juice causes cavities and is completely unnecessary if your child will eat fruit. It can actually cause malnutriotion when given to infants. For my tall, thin kids, we went with more nutritious choices like avocado for calories/fat.

Looks like your doctor who has been in practice for 30 years is still giving advice from 30 years ago. Just because she's happy and at an average weight doesn't make your pedi right. Anyone I know that gave juice in that frequency as an infant couldnt get their toddler to drink water, which should be the bulk of their liquid consumption. You're starting down a really bad path for when she is on mostly solids/water in the future.

https://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/pediatrics;107/5/1210

All of this. No one was flaming you, they were questioning your pedi. As a pediatric nurse, all of the docs in our practice recommend no juice at all until toddlerhood unless there is some problem with constipation, etc. And even then, the max is like 4oz.

10oz is a lot and against the current recommendations. If your much-trusted pedi is recommending something like that, I think it at least warrants further research on your part and a convo with the pedi about it.

kacelle · October 2011

tokenhoser:
According to the nutritionist I saw this week, adults aren't supposed to have more than 6 oz of juice a day. So I give the side-eye to any doctor that would allow 10 oz of apple juice for a baby. Kids are supposed to have 4 oz or less, and honestly, there is no value to giving it to a baby.
That's not a flame. That's a gentle suggestion to further research what you're feeding your infant. A pedi is not trained in infant nutrition, they're trained in treating disease.

This. 10 ounces is a lot of juice. Our pediatrician reminded me at DD's 4 month appointment that she absolutely did not need any juice before a year, and said that he wouldn't recommend it even then. It just isn't healthy. And I'm not sure how apple juice prepares a baby for cereals. Your LO is already old enough to be eating apples themselves; why offer apple juice that has fewer nutrients? You say that this pediatrician was your and your brother's doctor; it sounds to me as if he's offering advice that isn't current.

I can understand giving small amounts of juice to help with constipation, but not 10 ounces. And you say that your baby is happy and healthy, so there is really no need.

klibby707 · October 2011

I'm not one to judge, but does it really hurt to listen to the advice? When you post on a message board, people are going to give their opinions and rightfully so in this case. Please call your doctor to be sure that he gave this information. If he did, please do more research and take the facts into consideration. That's all.

Jaimels78 · October 2011

tokenhoser:

According to the nutritionist I saw this week, adults aren't supposed to have more than 6 oz of juice a day. So I give the side-eye to any doctor that would allow 10 oz of apple juice for a baby. Kids are supposed to have 4 oz or less, and honestly, there is no value to giving it to a baby.

That's not a flame. That's a gentle suggestion to further research what you're feeding your infant. A pedi is not trained in infant nutrition, they're trained in treating disease.

THIS!

10 oz of APPLE JUICE!! For a 6 month old?!?! Seriously?! No warning bells went off when he said this?? Saying that your pedi was your's and your brother's 20 years ago is not working in your favor. Does he recommend tummy sleeping as well? Use your common sense and take the sentimental crap out of the equation. Time to get a pedi of this decade.

SuperCuteBenz · October 2011

I am lurking on this board, but wanted to chime in.....

I think your pedi is old school. end of story.

30 years ago my mom started feeding me juice and meats at 2 months old! WTH.

Our pedi recommended juice only because both my kiddos have major constipation issues. We were told 4 oz max a day for our 14 month old, and 8oz max for my 3 1/2 year old.

My nephew sees the doctor that we saw as children, and he doesn't see an issue with juice either. He also told my brother that my nephew was overweight at 2 months old, and that he needed to start cereal and drink less formula. Not to mention that he said it was ok for him to be forward facing at 10 months because he was so tall.

Recommendations change. They aren't the same as 30 years ago.

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